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Originally posted by nacarter

There are two big issues here:
1) the fact the price tag keeps ballooning and is so far off the original estimates.
2) they didn't find a more cost effective way of having the meeting, in today's technologically advanced world.

The cost of the proposed security may be justified and realistic, but if we knew that the amount was going to be so large, would we have wanted the summit in the first place?

What was the cost for security for the olympics?

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Originally posted by Orko What was the cost for security for the olympics?

A cool Billion I think.

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Originally posted by Orko There are two big issues here: 1) the fact the price tag keeps ballooning and is so far off the original estimates. 2) they didn't find a more cost effective way of having the meeting, in today's technologically advanced world. The cost of the proposed security may be justified and realistic, but if we knew that the amount was going to be so large, would we have wanted the summit in the first place? What was the cost for security for the olympics?

I googled the cost of security for Vancouver Olympics, and it was about $1 billion by many estimates. At least that was for a MONTH worth of Olympics/Paralympics. And at least Canada got something out of that, in form of entertainment, infrastructure and tourism development, sports development and record-breaking medal haul (while leaving eastside Vancouver in the same shape as before).

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Originally posted by Orko I didn't read it, but I disagree with anything said in the above post.

lol.

*shakes head. :P

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I googled the cost of security for Vancouver Olympics, and it was about $1 billion by many estimates. At least that was for a MONTH worth of Olympics/Paralympics. And at least Canada got something out of that, in form of entertainment, infrastructure and tourism development, sports development and record-breaking medal haul (while leaving eastside Vancouver in the same shape as before).

Olympics is a totally different event with different security needs.
Between the two summits you could say the G8/G20 is a week long, or half of the Olympics, but with about 10x the security threat.

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Originally posted by Skipper Olympics is a totally different event with different security needs. Between the two summits you could say the G8/G20 is a week long, or half of the Olympics, but with about 10x the security threat.

Good way of putting it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, imagine it will all be peaceful, then it would be a hell of a financial debacle. Come on, this is Canada and not USA or UK where the anarchists are batshit crazy (or is it just the agent provocateurs).

Don't worry, there will be thousands of protesters flying and driving in from other countries.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium What about the other $600 million? The breakdown doesnt include the recently increased totals.

It says additional.

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Originally posted by Orko There are two big issues here: 1) the fact the price tag keeps ballooning and is so far off the original estimates. 2) they didn't find a more cost effective way of having the meeting, in today's technologically advanced world.

If they stayed with the plan of having both summits in Huntsville, instead of separating them and having the more expensive one in $$$ downtown Toronto, this wouldn't be news.

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Originally posted by I_Am_Vince The truck-mounted model can emit an ear-splitting 143 decibels, far above the pain threshold of 110 to 120dB.

This is terribly annoying sound it probably makes

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Originally posted by PivotTechno What a retarded generalisation.

LOL i guess u arent old enough to remember bob rae's NDP reign of terror then?

Living in the past a litte?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Living in the past a litte?

those who fail to learn the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them

25 years later.... http://bobrae.liberal.ca/journal/th...25-years-later/

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Originally posted by Jayx1 those who fail to learn the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them

Oh, I agree, but what exactly does that have to do with Bob Rae no longer being Premier of Ontario, 15 years after the fact? I can see where it would apply if it were 1996 and Rae were still Premier, but you're really tilting at windmills with this one.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Oh, I agree, but what exactly does that have to do with Bob Rae no longer being Premier of Ontario, 15 years after the fact? I can see where it would apply if it were 1996 and Rae were still Premier, but you're really tilting at windmills with this one.

LOL!! the NDP have similar patterns, bob rae or not, its engrained in their political perspective. As with most parties.

gotta love boob rae. I think RED suits him better anyways.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Oh, I agree, but what exactly does that have to do with Bob Rae no longer being Premier of Ontario, 15 years after the fact? I can see where it would apply if it were 1996 and Rae were still Premier, but you're really tilting at windmills with this one.

It's an example of what we have come to expect from NDP governments. Truth is, there aren't any good examples of fiscally responsible NDP governments; subsequently, it isn't outrageous to presume the NDP would not control costs any better.

That said, there also are very few examples of fiscally responsible Conservative (progressive or otherwise) over the past 100 years in this country; subsequently, it seems the old prejudice that Conservatives are prudent managers of the public purse is as farsical as the NDP prejudice is true.

(that's right, I just supported Jayx and bitch slapped him at the same time... I'm good like that).

sorry jay

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Originally posted by Jayx1 those who fail to learn the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them

Hosting G20 Summits are exactly that mistake.

While it wasn't ours it is not an unknown disaster that plagues the cities it is facilitated in.

Yay Jay hide the mistake in a transparent and ludicrous arms length attack on the NDP and forever remain a petty conservative peddling pathetic passes. This is not a wise decision for largest city in Canada.

this is no more a cost problem, than it is a logistical nightmare and a threat - far larger than any reported after 9/11 against this city - this is a full circle fuck you to the citizens of the GTA. Courtesy of Harper, a man famous for his disinterest and disloyalty to those in Ontario.

He is clearly done with our province, we are a wasteland in his view and he just shat a massive disaster on the laps of the largest concentration of his voters in the country he serves.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Hosting G20 Summits are exactly that mistake. While it wasn't ours it is not an unknown disaster that plagues the cities it is facilitated in. Yay Jay hide the mistake in a transparent and ludicrous arms length attack on the NDP and forever remain a petty conservative peddling pathetic passes. This is not a wise decision for largest city in Canada. this is no more a cost problem, than it is a logistical nightmare and a threat - far larger than any reported after 9/11 against this city - this is a full circle fuck you to the citizens of the GTA. Courtesy of Harper, a man famous for his disinterest and disloyalty to those in Ontario. He is clearly done with our province, we are a wasteland in his view and he just shat a massive disaster on the laps of the largest concentration of his voters in the country he serves.

so, did Jean Cretin gave the fuck you to Quebec and BC when those provinces hosted G8/G20 too?

Each Canadian paid $30 for the security (seeing the use of tax dollars)

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Originally posted by jester Each Canadian paid $30 for the security (seeing the use of tax dollars)

Everyone throw a rock and break a window downtown to get your $30 satisfaction.

I was listening to AM640 and a caller had a great idea for security. Take all the leaders ad put them on a warship in the middle of Lake Ontario and have the summit on the ship.

wtf - the 3m high fence is going to start going up June 7 and construction will go 24 HOURS A DAY until the summit.

I'm so glad I don't live on the other side of my building with a view of the fence.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article1584293/

If you don't have to be downtown during the summit then don't be...shit if I worked downtown I would be taking vacation around this time.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I was listening to AM640 and a caller had a great idea for security. Take all the leaders ad put them on a warship in the middle of Lake Ontario and have the summit on the ship.

This idea is similar to holding the event on a military base. Sounds like a good idea until you realize how many people would complain that these will be secret meetings thus diminishing the right to meaningful protest. Security does have to be balanced with access. Personally, I agree with the poster above who suggested holding this event near the airport. Protesters could be accommodated at Downsview.

I know a few have asked why they aren't holding the G20 in Huntsville as well. Reality is the venue is too small. When Prince Andrew was here a couple of years ago for a tour of CFB Borden, the security detail was 20 strong. Now multiply that by 20. Then add in admin and policy support staff and it's a pretty big entourage that must be housed.

David Miller should be shot for not ensuring that businesses will be compensated for protest damage. He claims there was an agreement in place; however, if there are no signatures to it then it doesn't exist and he dropped the ball. For three days, it might be worth it for businesses to hire private security guards on a 24 hour basis to secure stores. Pressure also needs to be put on police to ARREST protesters damaging property. This isn't designed to tie up the courts and bring charges, it's so that businesses can verify the correct person to sue for damages since many won't have the insurance to cover damage to windows.

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