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Originally posted by Orko atrina? Get people out of the area when you already have a warning. Somebody has said it before, but I think it needs to be stated again. BP has far more resources than the gov to deal with it. The gov doesn't just have oil rig equipment sitting around which allows them to go down and plug something like this. Plus, it takes time/planning to build proper equipment that can do this.

I'd say that BP has the technological knowledge (somehow!), but could definitely use more hands/grunts to help cleaning. It should have been all hands on deck from the beginning. No matter who you represent.

With all the army ppl the US have, it could use them to clean up. Just bill the hours back to BP.

Here's a good article I read today, should be especially interesting to those who are still defending BP:

http://www.thespec.com/News/article/788645

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BP engineer called well a "nightmare" week before blowout June 14, 2010 WASHINGTON - BP took measures to cut costs in the weeks before the catastrophic blowout in the Gulf of Mexico as it dealt with one problem after another, prompting a BP engineer to describe the doomed rig as a "nightmare well," according to internal documents released Monday. The comment by BP engineer Brian Morel came in an email April 14, six days before the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion that killed 11 people and has sent tens of millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf in the nation's worst environmental disaster. The email was among dozens of internal documents released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is investigating the explosion and its aftermath. In a letter to BP chief executive Tony Hayward, Reps. Henry Waxman and Bart Stupak, both Democrats, noted at least five questionable decisions BP made in the days leading up to the explosion. "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety," said Waxman and Stupak. Waxman chairs the energy panel while Stupak heads a subcommittee on oversight and investigations. "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense," the lawmakers wrote in the 14-page letter to Hayward. "If this is what happened, BP's carelessness and complacency have inflicted a heavy toll on the Gulf, its inhabitants, and the workers on the rig." The letter, supplemented by 61 footnotes and dozens of documents, outlines a series of questions Hayward can expect when he comes before Stupak's subcommittee on Thursday. The hearing will be Hayward's first appearance before a congressional committee since the explosion and sinking of the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig. BP America President Lamar McKay and other officials represented the company at earlier hearings. The letter by Waxman and Stupak focuses on details such as the design of the well, saying that the company apparently chose a riskier option among two possibilities to provide a barrier to the flow of gas in space surrounding steel tubes in the well. Despite warnings from its own engineers, "BP chose the more risky casing option, apparently because the liner option would have cost US$7 to $10 million more and taken longer," Waxman and Stupak said. In the brief email, Morel said the company is likely to make last-minute changes in the well. "We could be running it in 2-3 days, so need a relative quick response. Sorry for the late notice, this has been nightmare well which has everyone all over the place," Morel wrote. BP apparently rejected advice of a subcontractor, Halliburton Inc., in preparing for a cementing job to close up the well. BP rejected Halliburton's recommendation to use 21 "centralizers" to make sure the casing ran down the centre of the well bore. Instead, BP used six centralizers. In an email on April 16, a BP official involved in the decision explained: "It will take 10 hours to install them. I do not like this." Later that day, another official recognized the risks of proceeding with insufficient centralizers but commented: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine." A spokesman for BP could not immediately reached for comment. Associated Press

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Originally posted by jester I think being crucified be less painful than watching that show.

My gf is Scottish, and makes me watch it on Sundays :S

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Originally posted by devnull I'd say that BP has the technological knowledge (somehow!), but could definitely use more hands/grunts to help cleaning. It should have been all hands on deck from the beginning. No matter who you represent. With all the army ppl the US have, it could use them to clean up. Just bill the hours back to BP.

Agree on all points.

The last sentence:

"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

.. carelessness.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie My gf is Scottish, and makes me watch it on Sundays :S

I dont mind watchingCorrie Street when I happen to see it on. Guess cause I grew up hearing it on in the background on weekend mornings as my parents always watched it back then.

Find something abt it familar and soothing.

is there an 'ignore' function on this board?
if so, how do i use it?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Here's a good article I read today, should be especially interesting to those who are still defending BP: http://www.thespec.com/News/article/788645

Hammer meets nail meets coffin. BP will get RAPEDDDD

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Originally posted by -g- is there an 'ignore' function on this board? if so, how do i use it?

for real.

If the Obama administration steps in to correct this disaster, what kind of message would that be sending to other Oil Corporations?

"Try not to fuck up...but if you do, we'll be there to clean up the spill"

screw that....BP NEEDS to be help accountable for their actions. This was their mistake and they need to deal with it. I hope this is a lesson to all other Oil Corportations so that this sort of disaster never happens again.

Now...does that let Obama off the hook enitrely? No, I think he needs to start changing regulations that are in place to make them more rigid and to hold higher standards for drillers.

Bottom line, Bush ignored public outcry and was playing golf shortly after Katrina.....Obama couldn't be as ignorant as him if he tried....

Did anyone catch the address last night?

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Originally posted by Skipper Did anyone catch the address last night?

It was tonight actually.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer It was tonight actually.

Doh.
I haven't looked at BPs financials but I wonder how the $20bn being asked to be set aside stacks up.

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Originally posted by Skipper Doh. I haven't looked at BPs financials but I wonder how the $20bn being asked to be set aside stacks up.

dividends report comes out monday.
that'll be the test

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Originally posted by Skipper Doh. I haven't looked at BPs financials but I wonder how the $20bn being asked to be set aside stacks up.

Yeah, I wonder how much of that is going to clean up the environmental disaster itself, because it seems that BP is more interested to pay off the people affected, and leave the environmental mess to deal with by someone else.

Well, at least its a sign that BP is finally starting to take this issue seriously.

I dunno why anyone wants to be a shareholder of this company. On the one hand you've got to think it's getting pretty cheap after losing $100bn in market value but on the other...this is going to drag on them for years. I'd be interested in seeing how the Exxon stock reacted post-spill and how long before investors got comfortable buying again.

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Originally posted by Skipper I dunno why anyone wants to be a shareholder of this company. On the one hand you've got to think it's getting pretty cheap after losing $100bn in market value but on the other...this is going to drag on them for years. I'd be interested in seeing how the Exxon stock reacted post-spill and how long before investors got comfortable buying again.

To be honest, I think most people already forgot about the Exxon Valdez disaster. At least around here in Ontario - recently in April it was an anniversary of that famous spill, and most people I knew didnt know about it, or at best remembered very little. People fill up gas at Exxon-affiliated gas stations now and dont even think about it.

Give it 20 years and people will forget about BP. Just like hardly anyone knows that British Petroleum was behind the coup that ousted the first democratically-elected leader of Iran in 1953 (and that started off the chain reaction of the bullshit that resulted in today's situation in that country).

(FORTUNE) -- BP ended weeks of speculation Wednesday by canceling its quarterly dividend for the rest of this year.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/new...hpt=T1&iref=BN1

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Originally posted by devnull (FORTUNE) -- BP ended weeks of speculation Wednesday by canceling its quarterly dividend for the rest of this year. http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/new...hpt=T1&iref=BN1

ha!
they weren't going to announce that until monday.
guess that meeting with obama was the cold shower of reason they needed to start being realistic about this.

Ouch!!! The little people ... I wonder how that translates into Swedish.

I really do think thats how BP feels about the people. We are the "little people".

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/...bp_small_people

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BP comment about 'small people' causes anger NEW ORLEANS - The BP chairman's comment that the oil giant cares about "the small people" received an icy reception on Wednesday from residents along the Gulf Coast. BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg told reporters in Washington: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people." Justin Taffinder of New Orleans was not amused. "We're not small people. We're human beings. They're no greater than us. We don't bow down to them. We don't pray to them," Taffinder said. Svanberg is Swedish, and his comments may have been an unintentional slight. But coastal residents are angry over the oil spill disaster and at BP CEO Tony Hayward's comments that he "wants his life back." Terry Hanners, who is retired from state and federal law enforcement and has a small construction company in Gulf Shores, Ala., said the "small people" remark revealed something about BP's frame of mind. "These BP people I've met are good folks. I've got a good rapport with them," said Hanners, 74. "But BP does not care about us. They are so far above us. We are the nickel-and-dime folks of this world." Asked about the BP chairman's remark, BP spokesman Toby Odone told The Associated Press in an email that "it is clear that what he means is that he cares about local businesses and local people. This was a slip in translation."

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Magnetonium Boycott British Petroleum

If you REALLY want to boycott them, get rid of your vehicle and use some other method of transportation.
Then you'll be making difference.

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Originally posted by exraver If you REALLY want to boycott them, get rid of your vehicle and use some other method of transportation. Then you'll be making difference.

lol

petrol is everywhere, vehicles are just a small part of the picture.

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Originally posted by exraver If you REALLY want to boycott them, get rid of your vehicle and use some other method of transportation. Then you'll be making difference.

I actually wonder how much automobile use accounts for ones overall petroleum usage - as Malek said, oil is needed everywhere - particularly in plastics, which are everywhere.

Yes, oil is not just gasoline, but countless products that we use every day. I am merely on a crusade against the evil corporations/groups/countries/individuals that do considerable harm.

Talk about BP ... their CEO was grilled by the Congressmen the other day. And as usual, BP was very witty with their tactics to deflect/ignore the main questions.

EDIT: Does it make sense that a CEO would attend a major meeting, and come with no information whatsoever to give. Either call this poor preparation ... or intentional campaign. He probably should not even have showed up, as he hardly gave any insights that were of help to understand the whole mess.

Read more details on BBC News article, link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us...da/10337146.stm

Highlights:

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House committee on energy and commerce chairman Henry Waxman said BP's "complacency" before the 20 April rig explosion had been "astonishing". He accused Mr Hayward of "stonewalling" for failing to answer his questions. Over and over, the BP chief refused to agree with the conclusions of a group of angry, hostile Congressmen and women who seemed in no doubt, after their own lengthy enquiries, that BP had shown a reckless lack of attention to safety, Paul Adams reports. Infuriated by Mr Hayward's inability or unwillingness to answer their questions, committee members resorted to expressing their disgust, more than one saying he felt insulted. Despite BP efforts to contain the leak, oil continues to enter the sea, threatening states along the Gulf coast. "We reviewed 30,000 pages of documents from BP, including your e-mails. There is not a single e-mail or document that shows you paid even the slightest attention to the dangers at this well." Texan Republican Michael Burgess expressed surprise when the BP chief said he had not known anything about the well in question until he was told in April that drilling had confirmed an oil discovery. "But you're the CEO of the company," Congressman Burgess said. "With due respect," Mr Hayward replied, "we drill hundreds of wells around the world." "Yeah, that's what scares me right now," said Mr Burgess. Mr Hayward's inability to answer specific technical questions about the situation on the rig angered the panel particularly. The questions, set out in a letter to Mr Hayward on Sunday by Mr Waxman and fellow committee member Bart Stupak, include allegations that BP: * Went against the advice of its own plan review regarding the well's design and chose a riskier, cheaper and quicker casing option * Used only six centralisers to make sure the casing ran down the centre of the well bore, rather than the 21 recommended by sub-contractor Halliburton * Rejected warnings by its own plan review and Halliburton in preparations for a cementing job * Decided to forego a recommended safety step in the circulation of drilling mud * Did not deploy a "lockdown sleeve" that would have prevented the seal from being blown out from below

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