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2 Weeks to beatmatch everytime

Now been 5 weeks since I got em and I can get them in phase and going bloody fantastic. ost of my mixes now are mint!

I'm just trying to learn a few effects now like a bit of scratching, spinbacks and stuff.

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Originally posted by Trancey Ash 2 Weeks to beatmatch everytime Now been 5 weeks since I got em and I can get them in phase and going bloody fantastic. ost of my mixes now are mint! I'm just trying to learn a few effects now like a bit of scratching, spinbacks and stuff.

that is VERY fast!

you must be talented, cause I don't know anybody who learned it that fast. Took me over a year to call my transitions "ok"...

took me 3 months or so messing around with VTT.
When I got my turntables, Only took me about a month to get the hang of it. I've had my decks since november 2001, and can confidently beatmatch any two songs in my record box.

It just clicks one day, I dunno. THe way you listen to the songs and everything, it just all comes together, you ears just get trained to separate the two beats and compare them.

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Originally posted by djdawn that is VERY fast! you must be talented, cause I don't know anybody who learned it that fast. Took me over a year to call my transitions "ok"...

Well thats what I thought when I first beatmatched cause everyone on here said that it took ages. Then I didn't know if I was doing it right so I made a few tpes for my friends and they said it was great and that some sounded the same as the big guns. I dunno. I'll try and get my decks hooked up to my PC and I'll get a set or something on here. I'll try. How do I do that? What programs will I need to record the mix?

working on it for almost 3 years now. I'm constantly getting them to match faster but not more precise. They usually start to drift off after 10-15 seconds or so, but you learn to hear it and to accelerate or slow down one or the other.

One thing I saw on most DJ's is just to cut off the bass of one track so the audience will have a harder time to notice drifting. Makes you listen to the hights more and prevents flanging bassdrums. Try to math just by listening to the hi-hats...

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Originally posted by halo One thing I saw on most DJ's is just to cut off the bass of one track so the audience will have a harder time to notice drifting. Makes you listen to the hights more and prevents flanging bassdrums. Try to math just by listening to the hi-hats...

This can sound really crap if you do it at the wrong time! Sometimes it sounds great but if you do it everytime the crowd are going to notice and think you can't beatmatch. vBasicaly this sounds crap becuase all bass kicks are different. Phatter and lighter, distorted or clear, soft or loud. If you just change them it can sound cheap but do it at the right time and it rocks!

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Originally posted by djdawn that is VERY fast! you must be talented, cause I don't know anybody who learned it that fast. Took me over a year to call my transitions "ok"...

I learned it faster than that, one week after i got my decks, and i was mixing "OK", a little off, but matched anyway.

of course, i studied up on VTT for a few years previous.

now, the tough part is getting it perfect, i am still not satisfied with my mixes. i want long mixes like 2 or 3 minutes that don't drift at all, but it's like a sliver of a mm on the pitch sliders difference that can send your beats off, and i haven't quite got it yet. now, i am at that level, i can't seem to move farther i have reached a plateau.

maybe i will post a mix up here if i can figure out how.

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Oringinally posted by John Smith now, the tough part is getting it perfect, i am still not satisfied with my mixes. i want long mixes like 2 or 3 minutes that don't drift at all, but it's like a sliver of a mm on the pitch sliders difference that can send your beats off, and i haven't quite got it yet. now, i am at that level, i can't seem to move farther i have reached a plateau.

Man if you are mixing trance like melodic/uplifting it is really hard to mix for 2 - 3 minutes as you dont want to mix into any part of the tune as not to spoil it plus after the final climax and tune on most trance there isnt that much time to mix. You prob get about 1 min - 2 min but never 3 min.
If you mix prog then go for it. Whenever I mix prog i find myself standing there mixing for like 2 - 3 min. Prog is so easy to mix! I reckon my sister coiuld mix it. Actually na. But people say that Digweed is the best or one of the best mixers in the world. He mainly mixes prog. I'd like to see him mix some trance or to make it more exciting (watch him fuck up) maybe some happy hardcore! hahaha I hate that shit!

Anyway keep working on it man! Never give up!

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Originally posted by DJ NEILSON well alot of mixers have BPM counters built in these days, i know it takes away part of the DJ's job, but it gives you more time to que, and more time to enjoy the choon, interact with the crowd etc. what do you guys think?!

BPM counters might be accurate to a BPM or so... but they will never let you get it just right.

in reality, you can get to the approx pitch quicker by ear than a number on a meter... it's really just a distraction!

-mer

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Originally posted by Trancey Ash Man if you are mixing trance like melodic/uplifting it is really hard to mix for 2 - 3 minutes as you dont want to mix into any part of the tune as not to spoil it plus after the final climax and tune on most trance there isnt that much time to mix. You prob get about 1 min - 2 min but never 3 min. If you mix prog then go for it. Whenever I mix prog i find myself standing there mixing for like 2 - 3 min. Prog is so easy to mix! I reckon my sister coiuld mix it. Actually na. But people say that Digweed is the best or one of the best mixers in the world. He mainly mixes prog. I'd like to see him mix some trance or to make it more exciting (watch him fuck up) maybe some happy hardcore! hahaha I hate that shit! Anyway keep working on it man! Never give up!

I don't know, i'm guessing at the length. it depends on how fast you are playing the music too of course.

I like to mix a track from the beginning to the part where it goes quiet.

for example, The lost tribe, gamemaster, has exactly 256 beats until the breakdown, i like to let the second songs last beat play right when gamemaster dies.

anyway, maybe you don't know that song, but i like long mixes

2 weeks I had a rough idea.
2 months I was getting very good.
6 months I was fully confident in my beat matching!
Now I don't even think about it, its like breathing.


As for the other points raised on this thread, my advice would be to never write down BPM's on your records. For one you are not being really skilled and are using mathematical formulae; two, you won't be able to mix anything else but your own records. I was spinning at a party and I had the crowd pumped, the next DJ wanted to keep the flow going so turned to me and said "Whats the BPM of this track?". I don't think he liked it when I laughed in his face!!! It also ruined the proposed back to back we had planned for later.

BPM counters, highly inaccurate and who needs them anyway? Beat matching is in my opinion the easiest part of mixing!

Advice for newbies, never ever aim for perfection, nobody can do it. Instead concentrate on getting it so close and tight that you only need to do one very small correction every 30 seconds. And learn how to make the most minute corrections quickly and cleanly, I don't touch the record once its moving, instead using pitch control to make small adjustments. This way there will not be an audible "bend" in the pitch, making it seem seamless.

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It also ruined the proposed back to back we had planned for later.

what do you mean "back to back"?

Sino

I think it took me about 6-8 months to get beat matching down to the point where I could take a set and practice it enough so that I couldn't tell the beats were off when I listened to the recording on my headphones. I'm about 3 years into it now and I'm still learning a lot of things. I'm great on beatmatching, but there are so many more important things IMO than beatmatching. Beatmatching is one of the first things and most basic things that you can learn, but you don't NEED to beatmatch to mix if you can cut well... I think that song selection and phrase matching/knowing when to mix in, is more important than having the tracks beatmatched exactly. You can get around beatmatching by using effects like fading the bass on one track etc. You have to come close to the beats and the songs have to mix very well, but you don't have to have them exact.

As far as cheating, there is no cheating because the point is to get the crowd hyped up, while sounding good. Beatmatching is, as I said, the very basic of dj skills, and so the less time you have to spend doing that the better. Whether you do this by putting BPMs on the records/cds, recording the tracks at a certain bpm, using a meter or even auto mixing them with some of the pioneer technology that is out there, it doesn't matter. Because now you can spend more time on effects or mixing in a third track's wicked beats etc. The "rules" of djing are changing quickly and those stuck on the just basics are going to be lost in the dark!

hahahaA~ i like ur ideas DJ Flesch

One year to learn beatmaching.....

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Originally posted by Acid Circus 2 weeks I had a rough idea. 2 months I was getting very good. 6 months I was fully confident in my beat matching! Now I don't even think about it, its like breathing.

Let me ask you some questions:
1) If I press the Record button, will your mix be as perfect as when you do it for pleasure?
2) How long are your transitions?

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Originally posted by Eugene Let me ask you some questions: 1) If I press the Record button, will your mix be as perfect as when you do it for pleasure? 2) How long are your transitions?

1) Some people are bothered about being recorded, I'm happy with or without recorded, its all the same to me. It bothered me for a while in the beginning, but now I am fully confident in my abilities.

2) Transistions vary, I hold it for as long as it will sound good. As I play many different sub-genres of trance it varies with the type of record. Euphoric/Euro trance generally only sounds good being mixed for 30-60 seconds. Progressive edged trance and even hard trance can be mixed from anything from 1 minute to 3 minutes depending on the tracks.

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what do you mean "back to back"?

This means one DJ plays one tune, then another DJ plays the next tune and you alternate. Doesn't always have to be one record each, but could be 2 or 3 in a row and then swap DJ. If 2 DJ's work with each other you can easily get a crowd pumped up.

My TTs should be arriving early next week, I am ofcourse really excited.....

but I'm looking for some helpful hints, or comments to start out with for beatmatching....things to concentrate on, etc.....

couple weeks, about 2 months to be really comfortable, matching breaks took about 4 months to be comfortable, but i practiced like a madman last summer

i just touch the record a little bit

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