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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it depends on whether you have some sort of aesthetic compass. There are some things you can't deny, the best romantic styled music was during the romantic period, and similarly, the best melodic trance was during the melodic trance period.

Please tell me you're trolling.

i'm absolutely serious. You missed it. Trying to revive an era without some serious modifications which nobody seems to be doing is redundant and thats why you get called on all the new shit sounding the same as they are trying to do the same thing. I"m not talking about trance as a whole. Just that type of trance with fancy melodies and what not. You missed the boat.

find me an exception. Find me someone that did classical better than the masters of classical, same with the romantic period, same with swing , classic rock ��

You are trying to revive something that has been done to death and done well.

And that is why I keep praising scot project as he does keep some of the melodic elements but he has evolved constantly changing his sound to not sound repetitive. He pays mind to the past without copying it 100%

Nobody's recreating anything. Fancy melodies? That's not allowed in trance anymore because it was only done well, in your opinion, a few years ago? Are you kidding me?

That's nothing but your opinion, stop saying it like it's a fact and that anyone who agrees with you is inherently wrong. That's ridiculous. Melodic trance nowadays is good if you're willing to give it a chance, the fact that you're not doesn't reflect on the genre at all.

but it isn't good. It all sounds the same like everyone else has been saying. You can do what you want but the second you do something that has been done before and you haven't really done anything different to make it not redundant, it sucks. It has no purpose. And I suppose it is my opinion but 9/10 people agree with it. I know this is hitting a nerve because this is what you and i'm sorry if it stings.

My field of work involves shitty romantic wannabe classical music. I'm not afraid to admit it. Perhaps your nose is so buried in your precious genre that you lack perspective.

Trust me, nothing I'm saying comes from anything personal. I'm way too modest and inexperienced with my own work for me to think anything I do can be considered groundbreaking in any way. Admittedly I think for 3 years of production and songwriting experience I've gotten pretty far, but no, this isn't hitting a nerve personally.

I just don't see where you get off saying it sounds the same. Nobody's trying to revive classic melodic trance, modern trance sounds nothing like music from that period. Producers like Andy Blueman, Ciro Visone, Arctic Moon, Soundlift, they're creating music that has a lot more depth and emotion than music from that period. It uses orchestral instrumentation, the breakdowns are longer and more emotional. I've never heard melodic trance track pre-2000 that used instruments like bassoons or duduks or orchestral percussion. What you guys pass off as "hurr 3 minute breakdowns" is you just ignoring the fact that modern music does make an attempt to sound different from its predecessors, even if they're still using "fancy melodies" they're being used in a very different context. At the very least it sure as hell sounds different to me.

If you're saying all modern trance sounds the same, again, that's an opinion. Some producers focus a bit too much on songwriting and not enough on varying their production techniques but whether or not you think that's a problem.. again, matter of taste and opinion.

But of course I'm speaking against the majority at this forum so I'm sure that's good enough of a reason for some of you to just pass me off as wrong.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I just don't see how the new stuff comes even close to what was done from 2000 - 20003 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsfmveRY6I And i'm not one of those people that only likes old stuff. I love alot of new EDM but it isn't in the trance genre. And I hate the old old EDM. But for melodic trance, the epicentre of good stuff was from 2000 - 2003 and the artists were SHOKK, FLUTLICHT, Scot Project and Alphazone. and of course p anthem by dj passion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHo5bIO75A I honestly feel bad for those that missed that era and never got to go mega raving with those tracks. I guess what i'm saying is that it was an era. move on. stop trying to recreate it as you won't come close. It would be like recreating the classical or romantic era. You will always sound like some cheap derivate unless you innovate.

Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted??

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Originally posted by Viber Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted??

If someone posted either of those in the Music Producer's Promotion Forum, today, I'd be hard pressed to give it a review, let alone a good one.

EDIT: For clarity, I'm referring to the DJ Passion and Matt Silver V. Tony Burt tunes.

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Originally posted by Viber Are you honestly saying that these tracks are better than the ones Ive posted??

much. Of course the vinyl rips sound awful but yes. They were original then.

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Originally posted by Kysora If you're saying all modern trance sounds the same, again, that's an opinion. Some producers focus a bit too much on songwriting and not enough on varying their production techniques but whether or not you think that's a problem.. again, matter of taste and opinion. But of course I'm speaking against the majority at this forum so I'm sure that's good enough of a reason for some of you to just pass me off as wrong.

then please do show me 1 upllifting trance track that is new with a melody that is somewhat original that doesn't sound like a bad alphazone ripoff.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad much. Of course the vinyl rips sound awful but yes. They were original then.

You gotta be shittin' me

I loved FLUTLICHT! but Alphazone\SHOKK were pretty mediocre\boring and i felt the same way about them back then.

You could have made a good point if you used better examples.
You are also comparing apples with oranges, Kysora is talking about Uplifting Trance while you're talking about Hard Trance.

'kay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98C4HfV17Tc -- Skip straight to 2:10 if you want to get to the good bits.

I'd also check out Afternova - Serenity, which I put a link up to on page 4, if you didn't check out any of the links I posted. That has less of that airy polished trance sound I know you don't like.

both melodies been done before. Let me find you the links. And like I said, the synth sounds and production style, all derivative of the alphazone school. Thats why they suck. And what with the fucking camel music.

lol they dont make em like this anymore

I posted the wrong URL before, Nakhti isn't anything special. Edited in the other one.

again same production style, synths everything that they were doing in 2003. Are you deaf ? Intact it is almost like the production got worse. Not better. Imean compare that to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZtJLkgbg2U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc2D...feature=related


Its like the guys now are on amateur night.

Musically the genre is still doing interesting things. I'd be curious to hear whatever Serenity ripped off of and I've never come across anything like Tuvan.

Production-wise, yeah, the genre is stale but it's not really a genre that encourages experimentation. If that's where your problem is, that's fine, I can't argue with that. There's still very obvious differences between producers however and what I'm trying to prove is that musically it's going places older melodic trance didn't go. I haven't heard a single breakdown in a track from that period that had the depth some modern trance has nowadays, and the sheer difference from Afternova to Blueman proves not all of it sounds the same. They might use similar production techniques or synth choices but there's not a whole lot you can do with this style of trance anyway. But like I said, if all of your problems stem from that then I might have misunderstood some of the stuff you said earlier.

that is exactly the problem. They are doing what was done years ago with very few innovations. I would like to hear one person that was around during the time I speak of and disagree that the melodic trance now is anything but derivative shit. It basically what they were doing, + sidechain and - interesting melody. Thats it

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZtJLkgbg2U

Finally, a good example! one of my favorites

I wouldn't disagree with anything you were saying if you weren't trotting around acting like the way you feel about the modern trance scene is reflective of how everyone should see it, and anyone who enjoys it is doing something wrong on some level or another.

Must be comfortable living believing your opinions about something as subjective as music actually hold up as facts.

You know, guys. I'm really trying to listen to both sides of this debate, but the tracks you're selecting just aren't cutting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niu7uv_4qKI
No embed code but a flawless upload.


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The stuff you guys are arguing about is tedious. If I hear another bouncing diad riff or eight bars of the same major chord progression, one more time, I'm going to have to stick ice-picks in both ears.

poor kyrosa been made to prove why he loves his pet sound by mfb

ya i'm out. And Eddie, awful taste. I wouldn't let you dj my party even if you paid me 2000$

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad ya i'm out. And Eddie, awful taste. I wouldn't let you dj my party even if you paid me 2000$

There's not potent enough MDMA in the world that would have me pay $2.00 to attend a party being mangled under the continual repetition of a good idea's beginning set to that devil's heartbeat - four on the floor. My tastes have matured and I'll never own those tunes but they sure owned yours. You're lucky I didn't pull out the old, tried and true "Orange Theme" but I figured I was already converging on the cliche' a' la "Cafe del Mar".

would you trust the opinion of the craft of a bridge from an engineer with a masters degree or a guy like you with no qualifications. Rook to A8 check

this thread has given me a headache. I redact everything said. Except that part about Eddie's mom.

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