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Originally posted by VDub I still love the way they look and sound.

I feel the same way but streetcars in Toronto are absolute rubbish. They are so outdated and inefficient. The fact that they are spending more money to put more lines down and bring new streetcars in is a joke.

More subways ftw!

San Francisco is a city that has a lot to offer even if they didn't have street cars, but imagine SF without them? Toronto would be just like any other meh city without them.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie San Francisco is a city that has a lot to offer even if they didn't have street cars, but imagine SF without them? Toronto would be just like any other meh city without them.

it's a meh city with them too lol

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Originally posted by kotsy More subways ftw!

You would say that!

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Originally posted by Jay Leno You would say that!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew So are we arguing from a driver's point of view or from a pedestrian/public transit user? Cus personally I don't drive and this whole traffic/lanes/etc business is irrelevent to me - I get out of the subway, jump into the streetcar and of I go (I actually prefer taking streetcars to subway downtown anyway, esp. in the summer) like I said buses are much more unpleasant to ride in - double streetcars also hold more passangers

Streetcar gridlock effects everybody! When a street car stops at King and Bathurst, the effect ripples all the way back because both lanes are now stopped. If a bus stops any of the other lanes can still move. It effects other street cars, bikers, drivers. It screws up traffic for EVERYONE.

If you want a faster ride, you would want to get rid of street cars. they slow the entire system down, when not on a dedicated track. Spadina, sure that makes sense, because of a dedicated track. But on Queen and King? Hell no.

Great they are more comfortable, but speed and capacity are the most important things for transit.

Ah...double buses hold more passengers... Let's try and have balanced points.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew trolleybuses are essentially the same as streetcars, since they are limited to the lines they're attached too minus the tracks

Not true, new trolleybuses charge batteries, which can make them "get out" of their "tracks" to do detours, go under bridges, etc etc.

We're having them soon installed in Laval.


As for streetcars... that's so 1950s... get rid of them.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The penny is something else that needs to go LOL

I was thinking the same thing when I saw that post.

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Originally posted by Orko Streetcar gridlock effects everybody! When a street car stops at King and Bathurst, the effect ripples all the way back because both lanes are now stopped. If a bus stops any of the other lanes can still move. It effects other street cars, bikers, drivers. It screws up traffic for EVERYONE. If you want a faster ride, you would want to get rid of street cars. they slow the entire system down, when not on a dedicated track. Spadina, sure that makes sense, because of a dedicated track. But on Queen and King? Hell no. Great they are more comfortable, but speed and capacity are the most important things for transit. Ah...double buses hold more passengers... Let's try and have balanced points.

each streetcar holds up to twice as many passangers as a bus, so if they get rid of all 'cars, they'd have to add approx. 2 buses per each 'car - that's more money spend on bus drivers

the problem is NOT the actual streetcar, the problem are poorly planned track routes (like you said Spadina has a well placed dedicated streetcar track)

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Originally posted by malek Not true, new trolleybuses charge batteries, which can make them "get out" of their "tracks" to do detours, go under bridges, etc etc. We're having them soon installed in Laval. As for streetcars... that's so 1950s... get rid of them.

this makes me want to move to mtl.. so much shit makes more sense there lol

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Originally posted by malek Not true, new trolleybuses charge batteries, which can make them "get out" of their "tracks" to do detours, go under bridges, etc etc.

I haven't seen any here, I'm just judging by the old Soviet ones we have back at home that's awesome tho!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I haven't seen any here, I'm just judging by the old Soviet ones we have back at home that's awesome tho!

things have improved...

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Originally posted by geroin things have improved...

I'm not from Moscow nor have I ever been to Russia I'm talking about Ukraine - we still have the old school trolleybuses (which are not free anymore) lagging around, as well as streetcars (with plastic seats)

the only thing different now is that they got rid of all big buses and put small bus-vans that go to every single spot around the city almost

Vancouver uses trolley buses!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew each streetcar holds up to twice as many passangers as a bus, so if they get rid of all 'cars, they'd have to add approx. 2 buses per each 'car - that's more money spend on bus drivers

Solution: bigger buses!!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I'm not from Moscow nor have I ever been to Russia I'm talking about Ukraine - we still have the old school trolleybuses (which are not free anymore) lagging around, as well as streetcars (with plastic seats) the only thing different now is that they got rid of all big buses and put small bus-vans that go to every single spot around the city almost

not sure about ukraine but here's belorussia






and here's some food for thought:








just like lakeshore or spadina but instead of outdated streetcars

the red one looks spiffy!
unfortunately no, we have old buggers still running

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Originally posted by love_child Vancouver uses trolley buses!

Vancouver is also installing speed bumps that look like children!


http://www.good.is/post/vancouver-s...little-children

When you're done with him in Toronto, can you send Ford out west to Mississauga plox? Hazel will be dead soon, we need a replacement.

kthxbai!

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Originally posted by Abercrombie San Francisco is a city that has a lot to offer even if they didn't have street cars, but imagine SF without them? Toronto would be just like any other meh city without them.

are you talking about the tourist street cars? they are just there for touristic value. No residents actually take them. ALso they never stop. You jump on when they are on a red light.

The street cars that actually function as transit are on right of ways that were put in when the city was built. Which is why they left them and got rid of the rest.

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Originally posted by Spam When you're done with him in Toronto, can you send Ford out west to Mississauga plox? Hazel will be dead soon, we need a replacement. kthxbai!

She's running again...

Christ she's 89!!!

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Vancouver is also installing speed bumps that look like children! http://www.good.is/post/vancouver-s...little-children

good lord..


so when i am startled and decide to hit a car or pillar instead of a baby (because id sacrifice my own car instead of a life) do i get to sue the fuck out of these idiots?

What a bunch of retards.

This has seriously got to be the worst thing ive ever seen.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 are you talking about the tourist street cars? they are just there for touristic value. No residents actually take them. ALso they never stop. You jump on when they are on a red light. The street cars that actually function as transit are on right of ways that were put in when the city was built. Which is why they left them and got rid of the rest.

Well that difference just makes ours even more worth saving doesn't it? Thank you.

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Originally posted by VDub She's running again... Christ she's 89!!!

i dont even think shes putting up lawn signs or spending money. The queen needs to be dethroned!

i hate the ttc in general. it is very unreliable and i hate being with so many dirty and inconsiderate people.

streetcars are better to be on but they are definitely not better for the cars on the road.

why can't they build something like the OCTranspo system in Ottawa. so fast to get around since the roads are built only for the buses. I didn't mind that at all.

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