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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel i'd rather let viggo fist my ass if that is what you are asking nou.

Hrmm Viggo from Crimson Tide maybe.

All his characters at once, he'll help the monkeys destroy my christopher walken while tearing me a new mordor.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Officially yes, but only a small minority actually speaks it.

And now, for some reason, everyone's whining their asses off because it's mandatory. As a Swedish-speaking Finn, I can't help but wonder, why? What is so horrible about learning a third language, and espescially Swedish? What about obligatory religion, music, art etc? Why is no one whining about those?

Back on topic: Swedish is the easiest (unless you go to Sk�ne), Norwegian is a little harder but not impossible, Danish is quite hard to understand.

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Originally posted by nekholm What about obligatory religion, music, art etc? Why is no one whining about those?

You don't think obligatory religion gets any criticism??

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You don't think obligatory religion gets any criticism??

Sure, but I still believe obligatory Swedish is getting a lot more discussion at the time. Either that, or I haven't paid attention to the religion discussions.

Am I the only person who doesn't think Scarlett Johansson is any more attractive than an average blonde?

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Originally posted by nekholm And now, for some reason, everyone's whining their asses off because it's mandatory. As a Swedish-speaking Finn, I can't help but wonder, why? What is so horrible about learning a third language, and espescially Swedish?

Probably because, range wise, it makes more sense to learn Dutch than Swedish... and Dutch is spoken only by some 20 million people in very specific regions of the world. Given how learning a language is often a laborious task, you might expect the government to make mandatory the study of a language which is either massively present in global politics or widely used in your country.

French, German, Mandarin, and Spanish are much better candidates for a mandatory 3rd language, I reckon.

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Originally posted by Lira Am I the only person who doesn't think Scarlett Johansson is any more attractive than an average blonde?

No, I agree with you.

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Originally posted by nekholm And now, for some reason, everyone's whining their asses off because it's mandatory. As a Swedish-speaking Finn, I can't help but wonder, why? What is so horrible about learning a third language, and espescially Swedish?

Because Sweden owned Finland back in the days. And of course, Finns don't want that in their face.

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Probably because, range wise, it makes more sense to learn Dutch than Swedish... and Dutch is spoken only by some 20 million people in very specific regions of the world. Given how learning a language is often a laborious task, you might expect the government to make mandatory the study of a language which is either massively present in global politics or widely used in your country. French, German, Mandarin, and Spanish are much better candidates for a mandatory 3rd language, I reckon.

...wat

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Originally posted by Chimney Because Sweden owned Finland back in the days. And of course, Finns don't want that in their face.

The other reason is just a practical one - Swedish isn't nearly as widely spoken as the government thinks. It'd make much more sense to learn a language one could use outside of Scandinavia.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The other reason is just a practical one - Swedish isn't nearly as widely spoken as the government thinks. It'd make much more sense to learn a language one could use outside of Scandinavia.

Yea, Swedish in Finland is a bad-idea. Totally meaningless unless you want to understand the intricate lyrics of Kent -.-

Besides, why would anyone learn Swedish anyway? Just so they could talk to those fit busty sexy drop-dead gorgeous nudism-friendly Swedish bombshells?

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On second thought, it's totally worth it! How can you Finns not want to go to Stockholm, walk up to a girl and say "Tja, Inga, hur �r l�get? Jag vill bonka dig, snälla, kay tack adjö!".

Totally worth the effort

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Originally posted by Lira "Tja, Inga, hur �r l�get? Jag vill bonka dig, snälla, kay tack adjö!".

So I started today. I need to remember to use a bigger potato tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Lira Besides, why would anyone learn Swedish anyway? Just so they could talk to those fit busty sexy drop-dead gorgeous nudism-friendly Swedish bombshells? ... On second thought, it's totally worth it! How can you Finns not want to go to Stockholm, walk up to a girl and say "Tja, Inga, hur �r l�get? Jag vill bonka dig, snälla, kay tack adjö!". Totally worth the effort

My girlfriend is Swedish

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And now, for some reason, everyone's whining their asses off because it's mandatory.

Well, what can you expect from 13-17 year old finns that are "forced" to learn swedish? Even after middle school it's the same thing. I know I wouldn't mind if I knew how to speak swedish now, but back then I couldn't care less.

It doesn't really matter what the third language is, people at that age, apart from a minority, aren't really interested in learning new languages anyway.

If I had to choose now whether to learn swedish, german or french, it surely wouldn't be swedish.

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Originally posted by Chimney My girlfriend is Swedish

I knew you had good taste

Is her name Inga?

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Originally posted by Lira "Tja, Inga, hur �r l�get? Jag vill bonka dig, snälla, kay tack adjö!". Totally worth the effort

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Originally posted by JEO Well, what can you expect from 13-17 year old finns that are "forced" to learn swedish? Even after middle school it's the same thing. I know I wouldn't mind if I knew how to speak swedish now, but back then I couldn't care less. It doesn't really matter what the third language is, people at that age, apart from a minority, aren't really interested in learning new languages anyway. If I had to choose now whether to learn swedish, german or french, it surely wouldn't be swedish.

For 13-17 year olds I could understand it, but I've assumed that all the writings and text-messages that are published in the newspapers are from older people, maybe mid-age and up, and not from some zit-faced teens. Every day it's pakkoruotsi this, pakkoruotsi that. Maybe I take it too seriously, but I just hate how they use the word "pakko".

I do agree that Swedish maybe isn't all that necessary to learn, but it kinda makes sense. We're next to Sweden, and it's easy to go there on a cruise or on vacation. I'd assume more trips are made to Sweden compared to trips to Germany, France, or even Spain. Now some of you will say you can speak English with the Swedes and they will understand, but I'm sure they will understand you in Germany, France and Spain also, although maybe not as good.

Personally, I don't really see the need of being able to speak German, French or Spainish. I wouldn't mind speaking those languages though. If you do a lot of travelling, or work with an international company, then sure, but if you spend one week per year somewhere abroad, isn't English enough?

Who knows what the future brings. With all the crazy and stupid laws the European Union comes up with, like banning normal light bulbs, maybe some day we'll have only one common European language that is tought in school. Maybe there won't be any more countries in Europe, instead all countries will turn into states, as in America. Why not? They make a lot of common laws for us, we have the same currency etc, so why not the same language? And since the head quarters are in Belgium (right?), we could all learn Belgish instead of German, Finnish, Swedish, Danish, Polish etc. Or just stick with English, since most people speak it already.


Wow, this is a long post, probably the longest I've posted here. In conclusion, I just wanted to say that I don't like the usage of the work "pakko" (mandatory) in front of the word "ruotsi" (Swedish). Maybe I could get a restraining order to keep those two words at least seven words away from each other.. Then no one will call me "that ****** guy" anymore, hahahahaa!!

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Originally posted by nekholm For 13-17 year olds I could understand it, but I've assumed that all the writings and text-messages that are published in the newspapers are from older people, maybe mid-age and up, and not from some zit-faced teens. Every day it's pakkoruotsi this, pakkoruotsi that. Maybe I take it too seriously, but I just hate how they use the word "pakko".

Well it is pakko it's there in your grad papers, lowering your grades, in case you really weren't interested in learning it in middle school or such. Mandatory arts and mandatory religion; they are both (art a bit vaguely perhaps) a part of general knowledge. Religion has influenced the world much, the swedish language hasn't. It's there because we're bilingual, we can't get rid of it as long as we are officially bilingual.

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Originally posted by nekholm I do agree that Swedish maybe isn't all that necessary to learn, but it kinda makes sense. We're next to Sweden, and it's easy to go there on a cruise or on vacation.

I think it's mostly visiting relatives or such. Any person who goes for a cruise to sweden represents maybe the even more hillbilly-cracker-finn than I am I see many swedes visiting my town in the summer, speaking fluent finnish. And they don't teach finnish in swedish middle school or..? The ones that need it will most likely learn the essentials from their relatives / friends that speak it.

The point I want to make is the mandatory swedish is not being seen important by a vast majority in Finland. We supposedly have the best educational system in the world and it has this in it.

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Originally posted by nekholm I'd assume more trips are made to Sweden compared to trips to Germany, France, or even Spain. Now some of you will say you can speak English with the Swedes and they will understand, but I'm sure they will understand you in Germany, France and Spain also, although maybe not as good.

Imo german, french and spanish are more widely spoken than swedish. I think our goal should be teaching our kids more international, not teach them swedish to go on a cruise to sweden. Thus these three alternatives are way more better than swedish. And if I remember right german is volitional from the 2nd grade up? Spain and french are only possible in high school? During my 12 years of going to school in Finland I've also studied russian. There are many many possibilities, that are overshadowed by that mandatory swedish in middle school. Kids lose their interest in learning languages at age 13 because of it, at least that's how I see it.

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Originally posted by nekholm Personally, I don't really see the need of being able to speak German, French or Spainish. I wouldn't mind speaking those languages though. If you do a lot of travelling, or work with an international company, then sure, but if you spend one week per year somewhere abroad, isn't English enough?

Maybe english is enough? No matter what part of the world, an average person will most likely know those 10 essential words of english for you two to have mutual understanding on the simplest things.

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Originally posted by nekholm Who knows what the future brings. With all the crazy and stupid laws the European Union comes up with, like banning normal light bulbs, maybe some day we'll have only one common European language that is tought in school. Maybe there won't be any more countries in Europe, instead all countries will turn into states, as in America. Why not? They make a lot of common laws for us, we have the same currency etc, so why not the same language? And since the head quarters are in Belgium (right?), we could all learn Belgish instead of German, Finnish, Swedish, Danish, Polish etc. Or just stick with English, since most people speak it already.

The highlighted part is actually closer than we can think of. I see we're going that way at a good speed. I think I haven't really formed an opinion on that one yet.

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we could all learn Belgish

It's flemish(?), flaamin kieli in finnish anyways. We had an exchange student from Belgium one year and I hope it won't be flemish. The chances we'll see this in our lifetime are slight too I'd say

Nekholm, where do you use swedish the most? I take it you're from somewhere near the capital. I've lived there and never had to use swedish. Heck I even had a couple of guys insult me in swahili, why don't we start teaching that then.

On behalf of whining about the subject, tomma tunnor bullra mest.

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Originally posted by JEO I think it's mostly visiting relatives or such. Any person who goes for a cruise to sweden represents maybe the even more hillbilly-cracker-finn than I am

Well then spank my ass and call me a hillbilly-cracker, I go on cruies to Sweden, damn it! Mostly to Estonia, but every now and then to Sweden also. Well my point was mostly that it's a lot cheaper to go on a cruise, than spend a week in Spain, for example.

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Imo german, french and spanish are more widely spoken than swedish. I think our goal should be teaching our kids more international, not teach them swedish to go on a cruise to sweden. Thus these three alternatives are way more better than swedish.

So we should just let Swedish, as a language, die out, and focus on more popular languages? No but I get your point.

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And if I remember right german is volitional from the 2nd grade up? Spain and french are only possible in high school?

2nd grade, as in age 8? If that is the case, it's new to me. We started learning Finnish in the 3rd grade, and English in the 5th. Other languages in 7th or 8th grade.

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Maybe english is enough? No matter what part of the world, an average person will most likely know those 10 essential words of english for you two to have mutual understanding on the simplest things.

Exactly

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The highlighted part is actually closer than we can think of. I see we're going that way at a good speed. I think I haven't really formed an opinion on that one yet.

The same currency in a lot of countris is a good thing IMO, but does it have to go further than that? Well, depends on what it all involves.

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It's flemish(?), flaamin kieli in finnish anyways. We had an exchange student from Belgium one year and I hope it won't be flemish. The chances we'll see this in our lifetime are slight too I'd say

Yeah, Belgish was just a joke, and I don't think it's going to be an "international" language.

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Nekholm, where do you use swedish the most? I take it you're from somewhere near the capital. I've lived there and never had to use swedish. Heck I even had a couple of guys insult me in swahili, why don't we start teaching that then. On behalf of whining about the subject, tomma tunnor bullra mest.

Correct, about 70km from Helsinki. I use Swedish mostly with my family, relatives and friends. Also at work, many customers, mostly elderly, don't know how to/want to speak Finnish very well. Maybe we should learn Swahili. Also Russian, Estonian, Thai, Vietnamese, Turkish, Chinese. No, that's just silly.

Finaldsvenskarna anfaller!

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Originally posted by nekholm 2nd grade, as in age 8? If that is the case, it's new to me. We started learning Finnish in the 3rd grade, and English in the 5th. Other languages in 7th or 8th grade.

We started english in 2nd grade (yes, aged 8), the same year german came optional. Swedish in 7th grade, german still optional to people who started it in 2nd grade. Deeper swedish and english courses available in the 8th and 9th grades.

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Originally posted by JEO We started english in 2nd grade (yes, aged 8), the same year german came optional. Swedish in 7th grade, german still optional to people who started it in 2nd grade. Deeper swedish and english courses available in the 8th and 9th grades.

I'll raise your with

English in 2nd grade, sure, why not? But German as an optional language? FFS, you're 8! How do you make such a decision at that age?

Well it's fairly simple, the parents do.

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Originally posted by nekholm

Helvete ja, Sverige!

Storbrösta' brudar i alla länder, förena er!

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Originally posted by Lira Helvete ja, Sverige! Stor bröst horor i alla länder, förena er! (Does hora really sound more offensive than "bitch" in Svenskanese?)

In my opinion, yes. Hora is whore, bitch is.. well, something less offensive

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