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Originally posted by Wordsforlove Ah silence.. ace track and one of the most influential ever. I reckon this record more than any other signified the sound of the late 90s early millennium and the rise of rave culture in america. I remember sasha & digweed dropping the sanctuary remix and everybody going mental. I even saw people cry. I remember a good looking girl breaking down in tears on the dancefloor. While this record did not kill trance I reckon this record was indeed about death. Give me release Witness me I am outside* She is knocking on heavens door give me peace* asking for peace Heaven holds a sense of wonder and I wanted to believe that I get caught up when the rage in me subsides In this white wave* everything turns white when you die I am sinking� into death In this silence* Everything turns silent when you die In this white wave In this silence I believe* she is embracing death I have seen you in this white wave you are silent You are breathing but in this white wave I am free. Another brill and equally influential trance anthem that came out a few years later called As The Rush Comes also explored the theme of death. Traveling somewhere, could be anywhere There's a (coldness in the air*) (*death) but I don't care We drift deeper into sound* they are drifting into death Life goes on* the words life goes on often used after somebody has passed away We drift deeper Into the sound feeling strong* they are not afraid to die they are embracing death So bring it on So bring it on She even sings it on the hook: * Embrace me Surround me as the rush comes Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good. The proliferation of music in the 90s, the internet that came and allowed people to network on an international level, the rise of pear to pear sites like napster, the accessible sound of trance which was catchy coupled with the album orientated marketing of labels such as global underground (The 1997 boxed CD GU 007 Paul Oakenfold new york sold 170.000 copies in the US alone) meant that many newcomers were entering the scene and were no longer interested in what was going on in the mainstream american scene as they happily existed outside its sphere of influence. When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process. This is what killed trance mate. Not silence. What killed trance was the endless propaganda in mixmag every month about how it is no longer fashionable to enjoy it. What killed trance was the loss of influential clubs in the uk and abroad that were literally forced at gunpoint to shut down. What killed trance was the endless praise for the shallow music that went on to replace it. What killed trance was the deliberate deception towards artists and label owners from the industry coupled with the lies about how digital distribution has the answer to the decline of record sales. But let me ask you this, I reckon if digital distribution and experimental music really had the answer and they had about 6 years of it shouldn't we be talking about the increase in label revenue? Shouldn't we be seeing the dance industry recovering from the loss of physical distribution? Shouldn't we be seeing new people entering the scene that are there for the music rather then there for the drugs? But no... everytime we question these schemes we are seen as being blinkered to the bollocks they are force feeding us. There there is a big elephant in the room and mate I reckon this is a classic case of destroy and rebuilt. What we are seeing here is some dodgy media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you want to take credit for and the people are too gormless to know any better.

silence was played to death and that cheesy synth tiesto used has been mimicked more than white and yellow rappers dressing black.

This is all very tiring. Some good points made in this thread however all this shit about "_______ killed Trance" or "________ is killing Trance" has been going on for YEARS!

I will agree 100% on this though - the ease with which a track can be 'released' through digital labels has meant that there is a crapload of new 'productions' coming out that wouldn't even warrant a test pressing back in the day. Maybe people want instant popularity/recognition/to make a quick buck and they throw these things out there in the hopes that something will stick. Some just choose to hate on Trance because it's no longer their little secret and has become popular. Some don't even know what 'Trance' is... thinking it's only relegated to the extreme-cheese-vocal-tunes-hands-in-air-omg and nothing else.... then they label other kinds of Trance as 'House', lol.

It's funny now to read what I wrote back in 2002... MP3s have helped the scene in terms of spread/reach but have also damaged things because the signal:noise ratio, as mentioned in this thread, is astronomical. Whereas before you had to spend a significant amount of time to find certain tunes (because accessibility/distribution was an issue) - now - we have the opposite problem, sifting through all the TRASH in order to find the gems.

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Originally posted by Swamper It's funny now to read what I wrote back in 2002... MP3s have helped the scene in terms of spread/reach but have also damaged things because the signal:noise ratio, as mentioned in this thread, is astronomical. Whereas before you had to spend a significant amount of time to find certain tunes (because accessibility/distribution was an issue) - now - we have the opposite problem, sifting through all the TRASH in order to find the gems.

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove but then some drunk driver came clipped his wings off. It seems to me the same thing happened to dance music.

That is one harsh punchline to a story. Such a shame for the young lad. No wonder you're thinking about death when listening to trance! Everyone does interpret music in their own way. If you take the title literally, As The Rush Comes could quite easily be interpreted as being about love and sex, I guess for me ecstacy was to the forefront of my mind when listening to it. People impose their own values on things all the time. Btw, you should have mentioned Andain - Beautiful Things, to back up your dark-side viewpoint. I always thought that was about a girl reflecting on her life and thinking about suicide.

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove It was a great time where both the free market and the artistic expression were allowed to breath

Too right. The big labels and corporations are a lot to blame. They'd much rather promote Simon Cowells latest talentless fool than promote something they don't understand and can't profit from in the internet age.

And Silence is still one of my favourite tunes. That and Bullet in the Gun. Silence didn't kill anything.

I think most people are looking at this from the wrong angle. Music and styles change constantly, and this is the same for electronic music. Consider someone like Sasha - if you download his earliest sets (and I think there may even be some pre 1990 sets floating around), the music he plays sounds completely different to his 94-97 stuff, and that sounds VERY different from the 97-2000 "expander" days, then you have his Delta Heavy stuff, his take up of Ableton in 2004 etc etc. Trance also changed over time and most people, like myself, simply found other, more sophisticated, music (lots of people I know went from trance to prog house to house). This is also a factor of growing up and maturing - the clothes you wore at 16 and the way you behaved back then probably isn't the same to how you behave now. Trance has always been a very accessible sound due to its simplicity, hence why "newbies" to the electronic scene always seem to like it, and go on about stuff that more "experienced" laugh at. If you have just turned 18 and discovered trance then you probably don't have anything else to compare it to.

What I think is very interesting is why people always seem to be yearning for the past. If you talk to anyone over 25 they will tell you the music was much better back in the day. To some extent I agree - most of my favourite sets seem to be from before 2003, and there is something about the music back then that always keeps me coming back. I even listened to Nu NRG from Orgasmatron (may 2002), a classic TA trance set if anything, and it still sounds really good. Not to mention some of the classic essential mixes from the mid to late 90s. The fact that we haven't had any new DJs arrive on the scene for about 6 years (Masiello and Fair were the last new guys to really break through) shows that many people still trade on the reputation older DJs forged. Sasha, Digweed, Seaman, Nick Warren etc are just as popular now as they ever were.

Untalented artists, wannabes, marketers, ruined Trance.

Trance is supposed to remain underground.

However, Trance is not dead. It is still underground, where it belongs.

Are some of guys telling me you wish it was 'alive,' as in, commercially alive again? It'd be another cycle of cheesey Trance generations.

Right now the hot stuff is Dubstep and Electro-House/House. It is expanding quickly too.

Trance is not dead it is just put back to sleep after such a long time of being abused by idiots.

However, the new EDM community tends to follow along with what is popular, not what is underground, so they are following up on the new popular Deadmau5 and Rusko types of EDM. These Electro-House/House will reach a peak, and then the whole world will start making Electro-House/House songs, and most likely, there will be a cheesiness noticed in the new Electro-House/House music, and everyone will start to hate it, calling it "boring, sleepy, overrated."

The famous Djs or Trance giants have gotten bored of Trance though, which is the sad part.

After Mattinsanity said Daft Punk were over rated i can no longer take anything he says seriously.

Lol daft punk is totally not overrated.

Wait, who said that? Hahaha


Daft punk is so underground it's not even funny.

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Originally posted by xpand_the_room ...Trance also changed over time and most people, like myself, simply found other, more sophisticated, music (lots of people I know went from trance to prog house to house). This is also a factor of growing up and maturing ...

You known what people say about kids ? They play with a toy until they get bored and have a new one.
It's not a matter of growing up, it's a matter of taste

By the way I don't think house music is in a good shape too.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose Untalented artists, wannabes, marketers, ruined Trance. Trance is supposed to remain underground. However, Trance is not dead. It is still underground, where it belongs. Are some of guys telling me you wish it was 'alive,' as in, commercially alive again? It'd be another cycle of cheesey Trance generations. Right now the hot stuff is Dubstep and Electro-House/House. It is expanding quickly too. Trance is not dead it is just put back to sleep after such a long time of being abused by idiots. However, the new EDM community tends to follow along with what is popular, not what is underground, so they are following up on the new popular Deadmau5 and Rusko types of EDM. These Electro-House/House will reach a peak, and then the whole world will start making Electro-House/House songs, and most likely, there will be a cheesiness noticed in the new Electro-House/House music, and everyone will start to hate it, calling it "boring, sleepy, overrated." The famous Djs or Trance giants have gotten bored of Trance though, which is the sad part.

My point exactly!

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove Ah silence.. ace track and one of the most influential ever. I reckon this record more than any other signified the sound of the late 90s early millennium and the rise of rave culture in america. I remember sasha & digweed dropping the sanctuary remix and everybody going mental. I even saw people cry. I remember a good looking girl breaking down in tears on the dancefloor. While this record did not kill trance I reckon this record was indeed about death. Give me release Witness me I am outside* She is knocking on heavens door give me peace* asking for peace Heaven holds a sense of wonder and I wanted to believe that I get caught up when the rage in me subsides In this white wave* everything turns white when you die I am sinking� into death In this silence* Everything turns silent when you die In this white wave In this silence I believe* she is embracing death I have seen you in this white wave you are silent You are breathing but in this white wave I am free. Another brill and equally influential trance anthem that came out a few years later called As The Rush Comes also explored the theme of death. Traveling somewhere, could be anywhere There's a (coldness in the air*) (*death) but I don't care We drift deeper into sound* they are drifting into death Life goes on* the words life goes on often used after somebody has passed away We drift deeper Into the sound feeling strong* they are not afraid to die they are embracing death So bring it on So bring it on She even sings it on the hook: * Embrace me Surround me as the rush comes Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good. The proliferation of music in the 90s, the internet that came and allowed people to network on an international level, the rise of pear to pear sites like napster, the accessible sound of trance which was catchy coupled with the album orientated marketing of labels such as global underground (The 1997 boxed CD GU 007 Paul Oakenfold new york sold 170.000 copies in the US alone) meant that many newcomers were entering the scene and were no longer interested in what was going on in the mainstream american scene as they happily existed outside its sphere of influence. When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process. This is what killed trance mate. Not silence. What killed trance was the endless propaganda in mixmag every month about how it is no longer fashionable to enjoy it. What killed trance was the loss of influential clubs in the uk and abroad that were literally forced at gunpoint to shut down. What killed trance was the endless praise for the shallow music that went on to replace it. What killed trance was the deliberate deception towards artists and label owners from the industry coupled with the lies about how digital distribution has the answer to the decline of record sales. But let me ask you this, I reckon if digital distribution and experimental music really had the answer and they had about 6 years of it shouldn't we be talking about the increase in label revenue? Shouldn't we be seeing the dance industry recovering from the loss of physical distribution? Shouldn't we be seeing new people entering the scene that are there for the music rather then there for the drugs? But no... everytime we question these schemes we are seen as being blinkered to the bollocks they are force feeding us. There there is a big elephant in the room and mate I reckon this is a classic case of destroy and rebuilt. What we are seeing here is some dodgy media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you want to take credit for and the people are too gormless to know any better.

hahahahaha wtf. I can't read through all that!

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose Trance is supposed to remain underground.

I don't know you and I don't wishyou any misery at all, but claiming a certain type of music must be restricted to a group of selected individuals is just so wrong on so many levels, for so many reasons.

First of all, I believe it's something self-fulfilling to experience as much different styles of music during your lifetime, because that means you will find new music you'll love all the time and I consider that to be a human right. No one has the right to take that right from me, only because someone claims to have superior knowledge about this certain music.

Secondly, you do realize that something cannot evolve without outer influences and if you have a problem with these influences, promote the artists to take a u-turn in their style, instead of dwelling about how trance isn't like it was during the Eye-Q/Harthouse period.

In my oponion, a certain type of music doesn't get better by integrity, or a more proper word, isolated. The music just gets more pretentious and un-friendly. It doesn't matter if the music is deep and meaningful, when nobody can be shared of that experience.

I think that what people made wrong in the ninetee's (espescially early 90's), was that we didn't make sure trance was making a deep enough impact on mainstream culture.

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Originally posted by pointPi I think that what people made wrong in the ninetee's (espescially early 90's), was that we didn't make sure trance was making a deep enough impact on mainstream culture.

Mainstream culture inherently kills everything it touches because it's meant to appease the most amount of people possible. Art created for this end is hollow. And not just music, but everything. Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to, or that Transformers is the best movie of all time. I cry everytime I hear people longing for underground art to become mainstream which btw, killed trance

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Originally posted by Brick Mainstream culture inherently kills everything it touches because it's meant to appease the most amount of people possible. Art created for this end is hollow. And not just music, but everything. Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to, or that Transformers is the best movie of all time. I cry everytime I hear people longing for underground art to become mainstream which btw, killed trance

This.

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Originally posted by Brick Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to.

He's from Stockholm, not sure if he would know what Olive Garden is.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This applies to all club music. "The real problem for house music is that it has never had any critical forum. Those few, like myself, who pipe up when things are patently, obviously fucked up are shouted down by DJs and promoters who should know better. There is still much to celebrate within house, but when the crap rises to the surface, most are either too busy networking, counting their own money or getting shitfaced to speak up. True constructive critisism is born of concern and a dream of just how good things could be. House music doesn't need any more people brushing things under the carpet. It needs more people who are in a position to change things by making their private post-club fears public." -John McCready.

Do you have the actual article this came from? I would love to read it.

That's what I said but I got attacked for preferring that Trance remains isolated.

I dont necessarily want it to be isolated, but it is a fact that mainstream kills everything.

It is the media for dumbing down the Art, and then it is the mainstream crowd for following what the media puts out, and in this case, the media spat out cheese/commercial Trance in mid 2000.

The people don't know any better though. If only, when Trance was being commercialized, it was the GOOD SONGS and GOOD ARTISTS that were praised, not the lame ones at the time.

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Originally posted by goodtime hahahahaha wtf. I can't read through all that!

people from George do tend to stuggle

yall have come with convicing arguments about I still say silence DJ Ti�sto In Search Of Sunrise Remix chris benoit'd trance

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity yall have come with convicing arguments about I still say silence DJ Ti�sto In Search Of Sunrise Remix chris benoit'd trance

the vocals totally raped that track

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Originally posted by david.michael Do you have the actual article this came from? I would love to read it.

http://www.johnmccready.co.uk/10_years_of_house.htm

Eastern Europe killed trance. Too many producers releasing too many average choons from that region of the world. Not to mention the pirate sharing websites that stem from those countries as well. I don't want to offend anyone but that's one of the biggest reasons that has contributed to trance's downfall over the past couple of years

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose It is the media for dumbing down the Art, and then it is the mainstream crowd for following what the media puts out, and in this case, the media spat out cheese/commercial Trance in mid 2000.

I agree but I don't think it's the media's fault - it's the people. The fact is we're all to blame in one way or another. We don't like to look in the mirror very often but there's no-one who can be a connoisseur of everything. If you think about it, all of us is guilty to some extent. I'll admit I buy stuff from The Gap since I'm not very big into fashion, yet for someone in the fashion world I'm their worst nightmare. My point is, it's unrealistic to think that everyone will / or even could become so educated for everything, but that is the inherent problem with mainstream media and popularity. Once your goal is to please the most amount of people possible, you must sacrifice some of the artistic merit to do so.

And yes before you name The Beatles as a counter example, there are always exceptions - but they're definitely not the norm..

ATB killed trance.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose Untalented artists, wannabes, marketers, ruined Trance. Trance is supposed to remain underground. However, Trance is not dead. It is still underground, where it belongs. Are some of guys telling me you wish it was 'alive,' as in, commercially alive again? It'd be another cycle of cheesey Trance generations. Right now the hot stuff is Dubstep and Electro-House/House. It is expanding quickly too. Trance is not dead it is just put back to sleep after such a long time of being abused by idiots. However, the new EDM community tends to follow along with what is popular, not what is underground, so they are following up on the new popular Deadmau5 and Rusko types of EDM. These Electro-House/House will reach a peak, and then the whole world will start making Electro-House/House songs, and most likely, there will be a cheesiness noticed in the new Electro-House/House music, and everyone will start to hate it, calling it "boring, sleepy, overrated." The famous Djs or Trance giants have gotten bored of Trance though, which is the sad part.

That's what trance artist play and make these days, more electro house shittiness and calling that as trance. Electro and house are more popular than the real trance are,

This is what's wrong with trance and what started
Armin van Buuren is the biggest douchebag to blame though.He started this trend.


1. It was in 2006,where the tracks became electro farty influence(it still is)
2.Then the heavy supersaw, overcompression, Aly&Fila tunes came in.Though, it's more tolerable than electro shit that people call trance but still it's a problem.Genericness kicked in
3.Pop shit,the annoying singing overally cheesy vocals started the whole fucking up of the genre.
4.The minimal techy sounds.Techno used to be fucking awesome, but was ruined by sander van doorn farty/minimal annoying sounds.
5.The top DJ mag 100 became a bad joke that's predicable and the djs wanting to act like superstars.
6. Housey stuff ruined trance too, the whole reason trance was there was because it was meant to be different now it's has gotten ruined.

That's what i feel is the fucking up of trance.

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