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Originally posted by Haak Sounds like you've never tried getting creative with samples. That's one of the most fun things about remixing IMO. Just playing around going nuts with samples from the original. Endless possibilites.

hes just going to tell you to "fuck off tbh", dude is a tool, i hope i already made that clear to you guys.

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Originally posted by MSZ hes just going to tell you to "fuck off tbh", dude is a tool, i hope i already made that clear to you guys.

I've not finished a tune in forever.

There is a thread a while back on here where I remixed Synaesthesia by The Thrillseekers that went down pretty favourably. I didn't use anything other than the midi for the main riff to save time. Everything else was basic FLStudio synth work and effects.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=561119

Aside from that I've made a track for a University project using nothing but Windows XP sounds. If I find that I'll upload it and discuss exactly how I manipulated each sound to form bassdrums, snares, etc.

I've long since lost both files when I bought a new PC, but I emailed a few copies of both out so I'll hit you up with them when/if I get hold of them.

And you can get fucked.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it is a few bpm faster. You are on crack.

i'd say 132-134 bpm but with the extra layers of percussion is sooo driving , i was listening to tech-house before listening to this, now i find it slower than yesterday but still he made a real banger... i prefer the progressive cadence of the original tho.

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Originally posted by Haak Sounds like you've never tried getting creative with samples. That's one of the most fun things about remixing IMO. Just playing around going nuts with samples from the original. Endless possibilites.

Samples are one thing, but exporting all fucking channels completely (including blank spaces) without any kind of editing and calling it a remix pack is just stupid. I mean honestly, who wants a 10 minute wave file to remix with?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Samples are one thing, but exporting all fucking channels completely (including blank spaces) without any kind of editing and calling it a remix pack is just stupid. I mean honestly, who wants a 10 minute wave file to remix with?

alot of people. I don't see the issue. Pick up the phone and ask the remixer what he would like. You pick your remixer for a reason because you like his style. If he wants the audio, you tend to give it. Some people do really cool stuff with samples. As long as you are clear that you don't want a straight up rip, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad alot of people. I don't see the issue. Pick up the phone and ask the remixer what he would like. You pick your remixer for a reason because you like his style. If he wants the audio, you tend to give it. Some people do really cool stuff with samples. As long as you are clear that you don't want a straight up rip, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

I think it's just a wee bit lazy. And I'm not really going to do anything with a 10-minute wave file with reverbed cymbal hits every now and then.

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Like I said in the first post (though it might've not been clear) neatly cut samples are great. The entire channel? Not so great, though workable.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I'd have though[t] almost all remixes these days were done from midi only?

Using stems for (official) remixes is absolutely the standard approach today.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I actually fail to see why you'd want the original parts at all

Unlike trance - which is typically full of synth/piano/pads/etc. melodies and tends to have percussion play a background role - genres like techno, tech house, tribal, and so on can be entirely (or nearly entirely) constructed by editing samples (e.g. loops).

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think it's just a wee bit lazy. And I'm not really going to do anything with a 10-minute wave file with reverbed cymbal hits every now and then. Edit: Like I said in the first post (though it might've not been clear) neatly cut samples are great. The entire channel? Not so great, though workable.

you dont' seem to understand that the person doesn't always know what the remixer will use thus more info tends to be better than less. Again everything can be solved with a simple phone call. I don't understand the issue at hand.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I've not finished a tune in forever. There is a thread a while back on here where I remixed Synaesthesia by The Thrillseekers that went down pretty favourably. I didn't use anything other than the midi for the main riff to save time. Everything else was basic FLStudio synth work and effects. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=561119 Aside from that I've made a track for a University project using nothing but Windows XP sounds. If I find that I'll upload it and discuss exactly how I manipulated each sound to form bassdrums, snares, etc. I've long since lost both files when I bought a new PC, but I emailed a few copies of both out so I'll hit you up with them when/if I get hold of them. And you can get fucked.

listen, i dont really care about what you have to say, im sure you're terrible at best and im sure that track is more of a "cover". lets see, some idiot who never produces(lunar) or haak, subtle, myself, few others that actually produce.... touch choice here guys. why am i even arguing with this troll? dont bother pming me i've put you on ignore you wanker.

Oh why does the internet just manage to breed pointless arguments?

Use whatever tools you've got or can get to do what you want to do... if you want to use the vocal, of course you want a sample. If that main lead just doesn't sound right in any synth other than the preset used on the original, again it's a sample you want.

If you want to recreate it in your own choice of synth, or just have a look at the notes to pick it apart, get a MIDI.


Why declare war on something so simple as "remix stems", simply because you rarely find them useful? If that's the case, just say that (and maybe say why, if you fancy being helpful to other people who are reading).

And if you're being commissioned to do a remix and the pack hasn't got the bits you want, ask for them... the label aren't the enemy, they want you to do the best remix you can so unless they're completely brain dead they'll do whatever they can to help.

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Originally posted by Nick Cenik Using stems for (official) remixes is absolutely the standard approach today. Unlike trance - which is typically full of synth/piano/pads/etc. melodies and tends to have percussion play a background role - genres like techno, tech house, tribal, and so on can be entirely (or nearly entirely) constructed by editing samples (e.g. loops).

I know this and accepted that if there is a key sample in the tune you wanna use, then great. Use the stem.

But recycling all the sounds and rearranging it? That's ejay.

As for the manipulating samples thing, if you're gonna twist it to fuck, then why do you need the stems anyway? Why not twist or fuck up other sounds to really add a different edge on the tune?

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Oh why does the internet just manage to breed pointless arguments? Use whatever tools you've got or can get to do what you want to do... if you want to use the vocal, of course you want a sample. If that main lead just doesn't sound right in any synth other than the preset used on the original, again it's a sample you want. If you want to recreate it in your own choice of synth, or just have a look at the notes to pick it apart, get a MIDI. Why declare war on something so simple as "remix stems", simply because you rarely find them useful? If that's the case, just say that (and maybe say why, if you fancy being helpful to other people who are reading). And if you're being commissioned to do a remix and the pack hasn't got the bits you want, ask for them... the label aren't the enemy, they want you to do the best remix you can so unless they're completely brain dead they'll do whatever they can to help.

Remember the Tilt remix competition a while back?

They gave samples and stems from different mixes of the track there were in different keys, tempos and all sorts. Stating that if you can cut the mustard you'll be able to cope.

You generally get a remix done to hear something different. If you want your track butchered and buttfucked to death you let MSZ have a hash at the original sample because the dude can't program his own sounds to save his fucking life.

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Originally posted by MSZ listen, i dont really care about what you have to say, im sure you're terrible at best and im sure that track is more of a "cover". lets see, some idiot who never produces(lunar) or haak, subtle, myself, few others that actually produce.... touch choice here guys. why am i even arguing with this troll? dont bother pming me i've put you on ignore you wanker.

Okay mate, pull the pickle out your ass.

Just because you're but fucking hurts because you're too lame to make your own percussion or fx or synth patches, don't period all over the rest of us.

Put me on ignore. I bet you still click to read this because you are so fucking angry over a debate.

BENDER!!!

lol um...again, I do appreciate all of your insights to my original question. But cmon already, stop with the negativity sheesh

For me, I have never been privi to stems or midi's. The only thing I have ever had access to was my own creativity using samples from the original song. Sometimes I try to tweek the hell out of each sample just to see what works and what doesn't.

If I DID get my hands on the "original" stems, it wouldn't matter how long they are or not. I would tweek those as well using only probably a bar [ unless there are fills ].
I don't think I have ever heard any "remix" using the original length of any channeled instrument,whether it be percussion [ kick,toms,cymbals,etc] or chorus. Of course I could be wrong but then...your not remixing, your wasting your time.

So, all in all, to me, I believe remixing is to "alter" or "re-arrange"
a body of music all the while keeping the integrity of the original piece.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad you dont' seem to understand that the person doesn't always know what the remixer will use thus more info tends to be better than less. Again everything can be solved with a simple phone call. I don't understand the issue at hand.

Well, that depends on whether it's a personalized remix pack or something put together for a remix competition or something. It's not really an "issue", I'm just sayin'.

For anyone who gives a damn...

Made this in about an hour using nothing but Windows XP system sounds and dB Glitch in Fruity Loops.

We can all play with samples. And yes it's fun.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fmpfrv

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Originally posted by Eric J And of course our version of Not Over Yet, a re-sung version of Grace - Not Over Yet. We tried to pay homage to the original by reusing a lot of the same melodic themes. This version cuts off the intro and outro a bit, but you get the idea. No idea who did the video, but it wasn't us. Kristine Grundmane - Not Over Yet (Mario & Eric J Remix)

Really liking this track! Loving the sounds put in! Great work Eric J and mario!

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Originally posted by Ravist Really liking this track! Loving the sounds put in! Great work Eric J and mario!

Thanks!

Nadia Ali with a new version of Iio - Rapture. Arguably one of the biggest tracks of its day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSPiHGhGpGc

Lunar Phase 7, you have been remarkably narrow minded in this thread.

Some people like to work off midi and build all sounds from scratch. Others like to chop up, mangle etc the original audio to create something new. There is no right way.

As far as you saying

"But recycling all the sounds and rearranging it? That's ejay."

I agree with this but someone could just as easily do a remix using all their own sounds and still end up with a track very similar to the original. The amount of remixes I have heard of trance tunes that offer nothing new or different to the original is endless, even though in many cases, it is clear the synths and FX used are different.

Whether a remixer uses midi or uses audio stems is irrelevant. Judge the remix on the finished work.

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Originally posted by G-Con Lunar Phase 7, you have been remarkably narrow minded in this thread. Some people like to work off midi and build all sounds from scratch. Others like to chop up, mangle etc the original audio to create something new. There is no right way. As far as you saying "But recycling all the sounds and rearranging it? That's ejay." I agree with this but someone could just as easily do a remix using all their own sounds and still end up with a track very similar to the original. The amount of remixes I have heard of trance tunes that offer nothing new or different to the original is endless, even though in many cases, it is clear the synths and FX used are different. Whether a remixer uses midi or uses audio stems is irrelevant. Judge the remix on the finished work.

/end thread

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Originally posted by Eric J Nadia Ali with a new version of Iio - Rapture. Arguably one of the biggest tracks of its day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSPiHGhGpGc

Very arguable me thinks, but yes it was a big track. And the remix is extremely well put together, although not my own personal preference.

Cheers
Nem

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