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LOL when trolling fails

The original wasn't played a lot back then as you can see at the compilations:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Art+O...ilations&q=&p=3


Good list.

To me trance classics start about '94 because then I bought this one: http://www.discogs.com/Various-Tran...4/release/47713

Before that there were also some, but I think a lot happened in 1994 regarding trance. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember from that time.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I have the original platypus, thank you very much, the one which has a piano playing the beginning. (original remastered) I don't like the Corsten, Durand or whatever, and the Cygnus remix (the one included in Tiesto's Magik series) Original one sounds the best.

I stand corrected. Still, it's not much of a stretch to assume it'd be the Corsten Remix you were thinking of when the rest of that mini-list holds two Corsten co-produced tunes and a recent Ron van den Bueken cut.

And truthfully, you're not impressing many by still listing trance anthems mostly from the 98-01 period. It's not "digging deep" unearthing tunes endlessly whored out on DJ mixes and compilations. Heck, I've a '92 'techno' compilation that has Age Of Love on it. Poor gal's never had a break gettin' 'er pimp his got'dang money.

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Originally posted by Guest I think you could really do well in this market if you came out releasing new prog or trance with classic equpiment, the same way that modern deep house dj's try to emulate old house with TR808's and such

I definitely disagree with this. If anything I think it would actually make things worse, because today's producers have access to an almost unfathomable amount of tools, including millions upon millions of field recordings, 1000's of VSTs (most available free of charge), 1000's of sample packs, software emulations of the equipment you speak of etc., etc.

It is talent and innovation that is lacking

I think the real root of the problem for the majority is laziness.

Too lazy to learn how to make sounds preferring presets, too lazy to make their own tracks by using the same engineers, too lazy to hunt down tracks not on DJ play lists, too lazy to check out unknown DJ sets, labels who are too lazy to try and push new sounds and instead requesting you change your sound to be more "current" etc.

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Originally posted by Matt_Moor I think the real root of the problem for the majority is laziness. Too lazy to learn how to make sounds preferring presets, too lazy to make their own tracks by using the same engineers, too lazy to hunt down tracks not on DJ play lists, too lazy to check out unknown DJ sets, labels who are too lazy to try and push new sounds and instead requesting you change your sound to be more "current" etc.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I have the original platypus, thank you very much, the one which has a piano playing the beginning. (original remastered) I don't like the Corsten, Durand or whatever, and the Cygnus remix (the one included in Tiesto's Magik series) Original one sounds the best. You are pretty arrogant to falsely claim that. So fuck you. Okay, I know Binary Finary created th original 1998, then there was other remixers such as PVD and Gouryella. Perhaps I should have put (Gouryella Remix) to satisfy your needs? Or are you getting on my ass because I didn't name it '2000'? If you think the songs I like are represented as crap... Then perhaps I should dig deeper into the the older songs. Lost Tribe - Game Master Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Three N One Mix) Humate - Love Simulation (Paul Van Dyk mix) Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel Sasha - Xpander Airwave - Alone In The Dark Armin - Blue Fear Nalin & Kane - Beachball The Age of Love - Age of Love Is 1992-1999 classic enough era for you?

Piano playing at the beginning of Madagascar? o.o


Also, LOL at digging deep. There isn't a single song there that is digging deep. Not one inch. Every song you've listened has been a huge hit or been on many large compilations.

Come back and try again, please.

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Originally posted by Lews Piano playing at the beginning of Madagascar? o.o Also, LOL at digging deep. There isn't a single song there that is digging deep. Not one inch. Every song you've listened has been a huge hit or been on many large compilations. Come back and try again, please.

Oh, really?

I sorry I phailed.
I was born in 1992. My knowledge about Trance is not as high as yours.
I sorry
You the real deal

But yeah, you've heard the original?

He was born -90, me -89. He still knows more than I do so there are holes in your logic. Don't try too hard to be the guy to know everything about classic trance. Those are tracks that are listed in every corner of the web as the most played trance classics, anyone can "dig" them up.

edit. And I'm sure you've stumbled upon DarkTremor's listology.

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Originally posted by Lews Also, LOL at digging deep. There isn't a single song there that is digging deep. Not one inch. Every song you've listened has been a huge hit or been on many large compilations. Come back and try again, please.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

So he's mentioning Age of Love, by many stated as "first true trance track" (original 1990, watch-out-for-lews mix 1992) and you are telling him its BY FAR not digging deep enough. Hit or not has nothing to do with it.

YOU FAIL AND YOU KNOW IT. Troll.

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Originally posted by Voci HAHAHAHAHA!!! So he's mentioning Age of Love, by many stated as "first true trance track" (original 1990, watch-out-for-lews mix 1992) and you are telling him its BY FAR not digging deep enough. Hit or not has nothing to do with it. YOU FAIL AND YOU KNOW IT. Troll.

How the fuck is it digging at all when everyone and their dog knows the track?

You are an idiot, but then again we all knew it already.

In the beginning I was trying to just say the older songs were better with a small list.

Then here comes the elitists and say stupid shit like
"oh you don't know real Trance"

What are we all trying to prove anyway?
That I don't know shit about Trance?
Cause, I dont.
So fuck off, asshats.

My logic explains that I was still fucking watching Barney when the golden era of Trance exploded.

I got into Trance around mid 2007.
That is really late.

"Digging" for tracks doesn't have to mean looking for rare tracks. He probably meant "digging for older tracks". Not sure. If he was "digging for older tracks", then whether or not it was a hit doesn't matter.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How the fuck is it digging at all when everyone and their dog knows the track? You are an idiot, but then again we all knew it already.

Comon dude, he was clearly digging in years.

He came up with maybe the oldest actual trance track, and then he still gets shit on his face.

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 "Digging" for tracks doesn't have to mean looking for rare tracks. He probably meant "digging for older tracks". Not sure. If he was "digging for older tracks", then whether or not it was a hit doesn't matter.

Sorry, but when someone refers to "digging", it does not mean taking a soil spade to the ground. This isn't to say there aren't some good tunes available on, say, ASOT: Classics - there are (including, shock, Age Of Love) - but you're not really digging for the gems when such a release is mass-produced and marketed for maximum sales potential ("HEAR: All the classic trance hits, now presented to you by ARMIN VAN BUUREN'S 'A STATE OF TRANCE'!").

Digging is when you stumble upon something like this on an old, forgotten compilation from the mid-90s:

So are you now more 'elite' because the guy pointed out a hitrelease, and you pointed out some unknown omg-underground track?

Also, what would happen if Armin included your omg-underground track on ASOT Classics 6? Will it then suddenly be crap and 'for the masses'?

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Originally posted by Voci So are you now more 'elite' because the guy pointed out a hitrelease, and you pointed out some unknown omg-underground track? Also, what would happen if Armin included your omg-underground track on ASOT Classics 6? Will it then suddenly be crap and 'for the masses'?

I'd actually applaud Armin for showing some balls for a change.

Classic trance is not about the same damn trance classics everyone who's ever listened to trance knows about.. the term is merely a reference to an era for the early days of trance, roughly around '91-'96. Long before Gouryellas, supersaws, endless breakdowns and crystal clear produced emptyness took over the trance world.. but furthermore classic trance is not about the most underground tracks one could think of either. It's a combination of the two - there are lots of hits and real trance classics but also lots and lots of tracks only those know who lived through those times and grew up with the music or have later on dug themselves into it all.

There is very little to no chance to get any proper classic trance stuff on the ASOT classics compilations in the future apart from some obvious 1-2 thoroughly overplayed pieces.

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Originally posted by Voci So are you now more 'elite' because the guy pointed out a hitrelease, and you pointed out some unknown omg-underground track?

Yes, he is more elite

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Also, what would happen if Armin included your omg-underground track on ASOT Classics 6? Will it then suddenly be crap and 'for the masses'?

It becomes shit.

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Originally posted by saluyamo Yes, he is more elite It becomes shit.

awesome

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Originally posted by Sykonee I'd actually applaud Armin for showing some balls for a change.

Yeah, I always wonder why he just doesn't do it. I mean, with him being so famous and influential, I seriously doubt he has so much to lose if he took a u-turn in his playing and producing style.

Also, you do know you can send requests of him playing a specific track, you do know that, don't you? So I'm making a quite bold (?) suggestion that you (we?) guys can send him request upon request to play tracks like this one:


What, Im just sayin'. ( *)_( *)'

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose In the beginning I was trying to just say the older songs were better with a small list.

Someone who didn't get that isn't worth to be called an elite.

Your list was fine. Looking at my age and the time I have been listening EDM I must be elite enough to claim this.

To me classics also have to do with the popularity of a track, but that doesn't mean a classic is a classic everywhere.

There'd be no point in getting Armin to play an old record. Even if he did fit it into a mix without it sounded utterly incongruous, all the osterzones listening would just start complaining that it sounded too basic and rough and not actually enjoy the record for what it is.

What I like about classic trance ... hmmm

It doesn't sound like psytrance, very little synth-on-synth overload (I love using that term), and no loud blasting bass which is very tiring especially when you have really good headphones.

Attention to detail, simple but rich melodies, more sound variations. Many unique and captivating tracks, seminal music that was to shape the trance scene to come. A lot of the new trance uses similar synth combinations, unfortunately, which makes really good tracks hard to find.

I like how the tracks are light in terms of studio production sound, even hard trance classics. Very easy on the ear, pleasant, subtle. I love the deepness and acid influences are featured on classic trance, more standout and brain-tingling.

Other reasons ... if I think about it, yes.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium very little synth-on-synth overload (I love using that term), and no loud blasting bass which is very tiring especially when you have really good headphones. I like how the tracks are light in terms of studio production sound, even hard trance classics.

this for sure. i like very much how the old tracks hold back -- have a distance to the sound. sometimes you really have to put yourself
in them to hear the change over time.

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