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Originally posted by Chimney And I think that the Holden remix of "The Sky Was Pink" is probably the most overrated track of all time. The original had a certain beauty. Holden basically stole the soul out of the track and transformed it into a better minimalistic version of a tech-house record.

I agree with this

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 most clubbers are douchebags edm fans are a bunch of vain judgmental hypocrites in general, more obsessed with coolness and trendwhoring than pop fans tend to be the costs involved with all the traveling and entry fees and drinks and shit every weekend, are a bit ridiculous and I don't see how all these young people manage to afford the lifestyle without selling coke or something

truth.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid It mind boggles me when people compare fodder like this... to stuff like this... and the adjective they come up with for the latter is "sloppy".

This to me is not good listening. I dont know where you got the reboot comparison from. I dont like reboot either.

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Originally posted by Guest This to me is not good listening. I dont know where you got the reboot comparison from. I dont like reboot either.

I don't know what you are listening to now a days, sir, but I did expect more from you than to use "sloppy" to describe Theo's sound. Ebonics is THAT track, by the way.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I don't know what you are listening to now a days, sir, but I did expect more from you than to use "sloppy" to describe Theo's sound. Ebonics is THAT track, by the way.

Okay, how about sloppy drunk? Its like he's using old equipment, and fans are excited to be listening to music made on old equipment?

I'm not hating on all of his productins. I like what he did with his remix of Kuniyuki - All These Things. For the most part cannot get down with original Theo material on Sound Signture

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Originally posted by Guest Okay, how about sloppy drunk? Its like he's using old equipment, and fans are excited to be listening to music made on old equipment? I'm not hating on all of his productins. I like what he did with his remix of Kuniyuki - All These Things. For the most part cannot get down with original Theo material on Sound Signture

I'm pretty sure he uses older hardware, at least for some things. I don't get why that affects your impression of the music, though. Do you not listen to acoustic music because the instruments are old? I don't get what you are trying to say.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I'm pretty sure he uses older hardware, at least for some things. I don't get why that affects your impression of the music, though. Do you not listen to acoustic music because the instruments are old? I don't get what you are trying to say.

I guess that's why its an unpopular opinion. Something about his mode of production just irritates me. I can't really justify it with logic

That, plus videos like this:

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 most clubbers are douchebags edm fans are a bunch of vain judgmental hypocrites in general, more obsessed with coolness and trendwhoring than pop fans tend to be the costs involved with all the traveling and entry fees and drinks and shit every weekend, are a bit ridiculous and I don't see how all these young people manage to afford the lifestyle without selling coke or something edit: lost tribe - gamemaster is fucking annoying and that vocal is stupid, it would be alright without it, actually most of the female vocals even in the nostalgia era, kinda suck

Isn't that a bit too general?
IMO also many people enjoy multiple genres at the same time.
If you have a job next by your study like most of the students over here, you earn money to go out in the weekend.
Gamemaster was that cool that no-one gave a shit about liking the vocals or not.
Vocals didn't suck at the time, it was a lot later that people started complaining about that in my view.

Two older examples with female vocals which I only can remember as being massive tracks:
The Mackenzie Ft. Jessy - Without You (Arpegia) ( Long Trance Mix) 1995

Gat Decor - Passion (Do You Want It Right Now Mix)

I can't recognize anything you're saying here from my point of view, which surprises me as you probably are older then the average age here.

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Originally posted by Guest I guess that's why its an unpopular opinion. Something about his mode of production just irritates me. I can't really justify it with logic

Fair enough, I was simply curious.

What are you listening to now a days, Mark? I remember you having a knack for finding nuclear techno bombs.

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Originally posted by Guest I guess that's why its an unpopular opinion. Something about his mode of production just irritates me. I can't really justify it with logic

I think your opinion is the popular opinion as far as this forum and most of the 'electronic dance music' umbrella scene would be concerned.

Theo's production is quirky and artistic. In some cases its supposed to be sloppy. He as a whole series of quick re-edits called 'Ugly Edits' and an experimental release called 'Sketches'. That is exactly his deal - he exposes his process where others would only be interested in exploit their product.

And I think the majority of people aren't looking for that. Most people are looking for something to be handed to them as a polished ready-made that they can easily digest.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that you don't listen to noise music, power electronics, industrial, krautrock, or musique concrete either. Theo's music (and techno in its origin) has a more in common with these kinds of art musics than anything else.

Be the case as it may, I would still never call music like Theo's "sloppy". Especially since it is "industry standard" now for producers to perfect a track before releasing it rather than just being honest with what's inside.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Be the case as it may, I would still never call music like Theo's "sloppy". Especially since it is "industry standard" now for producers to perfect a track before releasing it rather than just being honest with what's inside.

It's exactly as sloppy as he wants it.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think your opinion is the popular opinion as far as this forum and most of the 'electronic dance music' umbrella scene would be concerned. Theo's production is quirky and artistic. In some cases its supposed to be sloppy. He as a whole series of quick re-edits called 'Ugly Edits' and an experimental release called 'Sketches'. That is exactly his deal - he exposes his process where others would only be interested in exploit their product. And I think the majority of people aren't looking for that. Most people are looking for something to be handed to them as a polished ready-made that they can easily digest. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you don't listen to noise music, power electronics, industrial, krautrock, or musique concrete either. Theo's music (and techno in its origin) has a more in common with these kinds of art musics than anything else.

Spot on guesswork regarding my tastes. Theo actually does have alot of noisy material now that you mention it. I have this record which is definitely hard to digest:

http://www.discogs.com/Leron-Carson...P/release/10739

My feelings were hurt a bit when I found out "solitary flight" was sampled from some 80's record

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Fair enough, I was simply curious. What are you listening to now a days, Mark? I remember you having a knack for finding nuclear techno bombs.

Can you give me an example of something I cited previously that you liked? I can make some recommendations but I'd have to know where you're coming from first

Theo Parrish, making sloppy mixing and shitty producing "cool" since 1998.

A lot like smearing shit on a canvas and calling it art.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Theo Parrish, making sloppy mixing and shitty producing "cool" since 1998. A lot like smearing shit on a canvas and calling it art.

LOL!


^^^ see guys its not just me. If anyone else but Theo tried this stuff they'd be crucified

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Theo Parrish, making sloppy mixing and shitty producing "cool" since 1998. A lot like smearing shit on a canvas and calling it art.

not quite.

this is though






ps, since 1995
http://www.discogs.com/Moodymann-Theo-Parrish-Small-Black-Church/master/6076

Think of it this way, what would happen if an up and comer put out the same kind of stuff that TP does, and what if they mixed like he did? Nobody would pay any attention to them at all, other than possibly saying that they possess poor mixing skills.

Theo is only able to do what he does because of his name, and his history. It's "cool" or "edgy" or "retro." It reminds me of that video where the girl defecates all over a canvas and then a room full of hipsters applaud as if she were Monet.

I guess it's kind of like abstract expressionism. People might think Jackson Pollock was an artistic genius, but it still just looks like a bunch of paint splattered randomly on canvas to me.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Think of it this way, what would happen if an up and comer put out the same kind of stuff that TP does, and what if they mixed like he did? Nobody would pay any attention to them at all, other than possibly saying that they possess poor mixing skills. Theo is only able to do what he does because of his name, and his history. It's "cool" or "edgy" or "retro." It reminds me of that video where the girl defecates all over a canvas and then a room full of hipsters applaud as if she were Monet. I guess it's kind of like abstract expressionism. People might think Jackson Pollock was an artistic genius, but it still just looks like a bunch of paint splattered randomly on canvas to me.

He's detroit related though, so free pass on all accusations

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Originally posted by nefardec I think your opinion is the popular opinion as far as this forum and most of the 'electronic dance music' umbrella scene would be concerned. Theo's production is quirky and artistic. In some cases its supposed to be sloppy. He as a whole series of quick re-edits called 'Ugly Edits' and an experimental release called 'Sketches'. That is exactly his deal - he exposes his process where others would only be interested in exploit their product. And I think the majority of people aren't looking for that. Most people are looking for something to be handed to them as a polished ready-made that they can easily digest. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you don't listen to noise music, power electronics, industrial, krautrock, or musique concrete either. Theo's music (and techno in its origin) has a more in common with these kinds of art musics than anything else.

i listen to those, except krautrock (although Cluster is pretty good). don't see how TP is related to those (except Cluster - Zuckerzeit) because some of his stuff sounds a little wonky in comparison to the standard fare.

power electronics and the rest are far, far out there:


apart from that:
-i can't stand orchestral samples, guitars, pianos and real drum samples in most tracks. electronic music isn't synthetic enough.

What is happening here? Did Juno choose the correct RPM for this Theo Parrish/Honest Jon's clip?

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products...?highlight=THEO PARRISH

I'll admit I love this Billy Love project. Forgot about this one. Its class all the way around.

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/366043-01.htm?highlight=THEO PARRISH

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Think of it this way, what would happen if an up and comer put out the same kind of stuff that TP does, and what if they mixed like he did? Nobody would pay any attention to them at all, other than possibly saying that they possess poor mixing skills. Theo is only able to do what he does because of his name, and his history. It's "cool" or "edgy" or "retro." It reminds me of that video where the girl defecates all over a canvas and then a room full of hipsters applaud as if she were Monet. I guess it's kind of like abstract expressionism. People might think Jackson Pollock was an artistic genius, but it still just looks like a bunch of paint splattered randomly on canvas to me.

You're an idiot. There are plenty of people out there who don't see dance music as restrictively and arrogantly as you. Many of whom have a say in what does and what doesn't get pressed on vinyl/released on beatport.

Yeah I'm so arrogant for seeing poorly mixed sets as being poorly mixed. I don't eat a plate of shit just because somebody tells me it's a gourmet meal.

Ad hominem attacks towards someone with differing opinions than you just reeks of desperation. I can give you objective reasons why his mixing is poor. All you need to do is listen to a set of his. Fader slams, poorly programmed sets, sloppy transitions. It's not technically skilled mixing.

Calling me an idiot for not liking it only proves that you don't really have a leg to stand on for whatever you're trying to argue.

I think you're an idiot for liking it. So here we are...

Excuse me I was referring to this barbarity.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Theo Parrish, making ... shitty producing "cool" since 1998.

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