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Originally posted by Mad for Brad the problem is that many of those so called outdated plugins are standard tools and some of the most used plugins.

That's a shortcoming of the 64-bit sequencers which haven't matured yet :-). The 32-bit vst wrappers aren't always what they're supposed to be unfortunately. With a 32 bit sequencer one should not have any problems whatsoever.

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Originally posted by tehlord Link me up to that Windows Logic then. I won't have to buy a Mac to use it now.

Hehehe. That would be V5.5

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Originally posted by Storyteller Hehehe. That would be V5.5

Fully aware

Whenever I see these threads it seems like those questions people ask to make themselves feel less guilty about something. Like "Oh one cigarette won't kill me" or "Just a few beers is fine isn't it?"

You clearly want a MAC. Hell if we're honest, all of us have at least thought about buying one.

Go for it.

You only live once. Worst case scenario sell it on if you hate it. Better resale value by far init?

BOSH!

Don't think there is better or worse, just pick what you fancy. For me my i7 950 12GB DDR-3 triple channel with 2x SATA-III SSD, with an ATI 5770, in a LIAN LI case, working on a Dell 30" LCD @ 2560 * 1600 gives me flawless performance.

I am sure your wife will allow to sell the car in order to get a simmilar specced and performing MAC system

Regarding Logic, that's typically Apple, buy a vendor, kill the multiplatform, done it with Apogee, done it with Logic.

People usually want macs because they are completely stupid and follow the trends and think that Mac is the best to game, the best to chat on facebook and that it will dress him on hangover mornings. But to do this you just need a Pc.

The exception is when you want your Mac to "work" which should be the case of most people here who produce, logic and the hardware management is a reason to go for a Mac. But if you want to play Call of Duty buy a pro graphic card and don't waste your money. Even the name says you something PC = Personal Computer , personal things, amusement. Mac is for more serious things, the old macintosh was genuinely built for working.

Frustrated?

This is the biggest pile of shit iv� read in a long time.
don't want to bust your bubble but 97% of corporate citizens are using the windows platform over Apple (at least according to (Gartner) for creative people both are equal, Apple as a brand just spends more marketing money to make you feel special

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos People usually want macs because they are completely stupid and follow the trends and think that Mac is the best to game, the best to chat on facebook and that it will dress him on hangover mornings. But to do this you just need a Pc. The exception is when you want your Mac to "work" which should be the case of most people here who produce, logic and the hardware management is a reason to go for a Mac. But if you want to play Call of Duty buy a pro graphic card and don't waste your money. Even the name says you something PC = Personal Computer , personal things, amusement. Mac is for more serious things, the old macintosh was genuinely built for working.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos People usually want macs because they are completely stupid and follow the trends and think that Mac is the best to game, the best to chat on facebook and that it will dress him on hangover mornings. But to do this you just need a Pc.

Thats about the most ignorant and stereotypical statement I think I've ever seen.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Even the name says you something PC = Personal Computer , personal things, amusement. Mac is for more serious things, the old macintosh was genuinely built for working.

Really? So if a PC is for "personal things" or "amusement" as you state, then why do Apple platforms have so little market penetration in the business sector? Last time I checked, Wintel machines (or "PC" as you call it) are clearly the dominant platform in enterprise across the globe.

(As an aside, one major reason is lack of enterprise management features on the OS X platform, but that is for another discussion.)

Its a little bit short sighted to assume that the term "PC" means that this platform should only be used for "personal things". In any case, the term "PC" was coined in a time when the vast majority of computers in the world were timesharing, centralized mainframe and minicomputers, so the term was meant to refer to a machine that did not fit that classification. It has nothing to do with implied usage.

Bottom line is use Apple because you like OS X, use Apple because you want to use applications only available for the OS X platform (like Logic), use Apple because you want to use hardware specifically developed for the platform, use Apple because you like working with a well developed UNIX workstation platform. If none of these things apply to you, then get a PC with a fairly robust hardware profile and the fantastic Windows 7. It's all about personal preference and that should the the major deciding factor on which platform to invest your money into.

Use the right tools for the job.

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Originally posted by Raphie This is the biggest pile of shit iv� read in a long time. don't want to bust your bubble but 97% of corporate citizens are using the windows platform over Apple (at least according to (Gartner) for creative people both are equal, Apple as a brand just spends more marketing money to make you feel special

You're talking absolute bullshit raphie.

I've worked as a studio engineer both in Europe and the USA for last 10+ years and have yet to see a PC based system in any professional studio environment. Apart form composers own preference (and even then it's still 10% of them who use pc), mac is the standard. Period.

Guys making edm in their bedroom don't count.

Corporate citizens and PC? yes. Because MS office works fine on it (I jest)

Audio/Media/broadcast? - mac in every instance.

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Originally posted by Fledz The components in iMacs are the same as many PCs these days. Intel boards from the same factories, GPUs from the same factories, firewire and USB chipsets from the same factories. Need I go on?

Complete Bollocks. please do go on. In fact I implore you to prove me wrong and I';ll happily concede you're right.

So build me a machine for for $1100 (which is what i paid for imac) with the following criteria.

1 x 21.5 inch backlit (super high quality) LED screen
1 x I3 3.2ghz
4 gb quality ram
500g Hardrive
Double layer suprdrive
ATI radeon HD4670
Good major brand motherboard with ample FW USB etc.
PSU
Decent On board sound

Now here's the catch. You have to make it completely fucking silent. Aside form the screen glowing at me, I actually cannot that the imac that I'm using to type is actually on, even if I put my ear up close.

So that means ompletely silent PSU, Silent drive enclosures (because the internals of the mac act as that) and no fans at all.

Now thrown in a really nice looking case, an expensive keyboard and mouse and Win7 Pro. oh and free shipping for all of it.

Now bill your time to spec it and order at lets a say a very cheap $30 an hour.

Now tell me if you can come in under $1100 (and that imac spec is 6 months old now so i would expect newer compnents).

I wasn't talking studio only RANN. so please don't twist my words around.

The only difference between Apple and "the rest" is, propreiaty OS marketing and design. Components are supplied by the same manufacturers who also supply Dell, HP, Acer etc. Like Wistron, flextronics, Asustek, Inventec Appliances and Foxconn.

So be as bold as you want, but on a hardware level there is NO difference between Apple and non Apple.
also if you want your Windows based DAW to be really quiet, there are plenty of high end manufacturers like Noctua who can get your PC really silent, far more silent than any apple i7 system, for a fraction of the apple i7 cost.

But at the end of the day, non of above is relevant, when you are in love with a platform, both work equal, just buy what suits you best. But stop with the Apple superiority crap.

Apple does have flawless design and a nice gui though.

I feel like Apple is gaining lots of ground lately due to succesful marketing and other products such as the ipod and iphone. And I have to say their products are pretty neat.

The fact that virtually any part of the media (printing, audio, video) industry works with Mac is mostly because of earlier events, just like pc's gained ground on the corporate side for having a solid office package.

Buying either one is a rather safe bet, both require some knowledge to get the best out of them. From what I've heard I feel inclined to say Mac is a bit easier to grasp. In the end it comes down to preference:

- Do you want design?
- Do you want a silent all in 1 solution?
- Something easily customizable?
- Something a tad cheaper?

Considering your personal view, experience and circumstances either one could be a good buy.

Most interesting remark in this tread was the mentioned resale value of a Mac. Buy one and sell it for a good price if you don't like it and you'll probably have just about enough money for a similar windows-based pc.

Based on my personal experience I would not recommend a Mac to anyone ever. But because it's no use to me doesn't mean it can't be of any use for some one else. Same goes vice versa.

So stop asking and fucking grow an opinion of your own and choose for yourself already . Oh and don't bother telling about it either, that would be nice

How did you manage to get that so cheap?? It would cost you double that if you were to buy it over here brand new.

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Originally posted by Raphie I wasn't talking studio only RANN. so please don't twist my words around. The only difference between Apple and "the rest" is, propreiaty OS marketing and design. Components are supplied by the same manufacturers who also supply Dell, HP, Acer etc. Like Wistron, flextronics, Asustek, Inventec Appliances and Foxconn. So be as bold as you want, but on a hardware level there is NO difference between Apple and non Apple. also if you want your Windows based DAW to be really quiet, there are plenty of high end manufacturers like Noctua who can get your PC really silent, far more silent than any apple i7 system, for a fraction of the apple i7 cost. But at the end of the day, non of above is relevant, when you are in love with a platform, both work equal, just buy what suits you best. But stop with the Apple superiority crap. Apple does have flawless design and a nice gui though.

If that's the case then I get what you're saying but your other post was really broad generalisations with no qualifications for use or that it was about comparative electronic components. So if that's the subject, yes there's no difference in electronic terms, but the closed hardware platform DOES make a huge difference in the real world, becuase they are not having to build as OS that is all things to all people and more importantly all possible manufacturers. The result is better stability no compatibility issues.

The reason I set that challenge is that prior to being a studio engineer I was a manager for carillon PC audio system, who were the first and most popular audio specific PC's in Europe and even with silent drive enclosures, sorbothane mountings for all the components, fanless PSU's and videocards they still could not get as quiet as my imac is now and you spend SO much money trying to get there.

And whoever said the PC is developed first is not being truthful. many pro audio manufactureres (and please try to remember we're on a music forum here) manufacture for MAC first then worry about PC later. Appogee, Lnyx, Motu, Echo to name a few are brands that all release mac drivers for new products before they get round to PC.

In fairness vista contributed to that but still it;s more about the fact that pro audio brands know that mac support is the priority because of its dominance in professional audio environments (which isn't down to marketing or OS preference, it's down to stablilty and support).

although the components are made by the same companies, is it not true that mac has their own design that only macs can use. I have yet to see a logic board that I could buy OEM.

anyways, lets not forget Ilife!!!!

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Originally posted by Andy28 How did you manage to get that so cheap?? It would cost you double that if you were to buy it over here brand new.

That's why I qualify my mac debates with "the USA" and probably why this argument of value always come up with Australians (because both exchange rates and apple fuck you outside of the USA).

The mac was rrp $1200 but after a bit of haggling with mac mall and going on the right day, I got $100 off.

I actually could have got more as there's a californa state/LA discount initiative for equipment bought for media production

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad storms a brewing. I/m just curious if anyone has ever gone from a mac to a pc.

Anyone? I'd be interested to know. And not a quick flirt. I mean years of mac use, then jump ship to PC?

and of course the student discount. They don't even validate those numbers you enter. You get a couple hundred off right there.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad and of course the student discount. They don't even validate those numbers you enter. You get a couple hundred off right there.

I always wondered about that but I don;t think the discount is as good as it used to be....

ya they really cut it down. The first mac pro I got, I must of saved 400. This time around, only 200.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad anyways, lets not forget Ilife!!!!

... or their privacy statement saying they can share any information they gather about you with third parties without your consent .

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Originally posted by DJ RANN because both exchange rates and apple fuck you outside of the USA

Looks that way. Greedy gits..

can we all at least agree that going into a mac store is a painful experience and the urge to punch anyone wearing those coloured tshirts is quite strong.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad can we all at least agree that going into a mac store is a painful experience and the urge to punch anyone wearing those coloured tshirts is quite strong.

We always seem to agree on the really important stuff.

they must breed a special species of retard to work in those places who's entire vocabulary consists of just 4.5 words :-

'er, check the apple website'

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You're talking absolute bullshit raphie. I've worked as a studio engineer both in Europe and the USA for last 10+ years and have yet to see a PC based system in any professional studio environment. Apart form composers own preference (and even then it's still 10% of them who use pc), mac is the standard. Period. Guys making edm in their bedroom don't count. Corporate citizens and PC? yes. Because MS office works fine on it (I jest) Audio/Media/broadcast? - mac in every instance.

Professional studio's also use PC, not just bedroom producers.

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