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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't be bovvered to read the whole thread but can someone please explain what happened here? Is Richie gone? For real? What did you lot do this time?

They tormented him for being a bit of a ruthless critic who qualifies his opinions with his credentials; largely impugned because the body of work he has is sparsely demonstrated to a few people who, for whatever reasons, don't appreciate it.

I stayed out of it because you're all my friends, including Richie - whether you want to be or not. It's too close to a political game and I don't really care for those. Hopefully, he's not gone. Even though I agreed with him maybe 60% of the time, I like the way he thinks and writes about music. He's filled in more of my knowledge gaps concerning music theory than I care to admit, as well.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't be bovvered to read the whole thread but can someone please explain what happened here? Is Richie gone? For real? What did you lot do this time?

Fuck!!
That Sucks!!
M4B aka Richie is funny and one of the few reasons why I come hear!

He's not gone you have to be kidding me.
The guy tried to sneak back in once before when he already realized 85% of the forum couldn't stand him. He's likely gone through 10 boxes of kleenex by now.

And cryo, theres a difference between "taking someone seriously".. and taking someone for a clown. My impression in this thread was definitely the latter.

Should we all just do what you do and tolerate outright disrespect to an ENTIRE forum of relatively decent/cool people? You do understand thats how a good portion of behavoiral dysfunctions start?

My take on M4B:

He's disrespectful, condenscending, and rude. He also has almost no class whatsoever. And its evident by the way he talks to other people that he likely suffers from NPD (narcisistic personality disorder). Or maybe he's just your classic sociopath.. doesn't really matter.

But I've also noticed a side to M4B that I'm not sure a lot of people see around here. Underneath his thick exterior, theres is definitely something that somewhat resembles a human being.
You have to really look at a persons behavoir with a microscope before you start generalizing conclusions about how they really are.

But I see M4B as someone who has an intense "need to belong". Its a psych term but its also a common sense term. Do you think he hosts competitions and pays people out of his pocket because he doesn't have a real desire to be accepted by people? (for the people who think he's subhuman) At the same time he's being a complete unneccessary asshole to one person, he's also entertaining another 10. In fact, I venture to say if M4B DIDN'T have a sense of humor.. by being as rude as he possibly could to people.. that he would have absolutely been gone for good a long time ago.

I think he's always acting that way because he actually wants to make people laugh. Not because he's a miserable person. I do personally think he's extremely insecure, because the signs are everywhere if you look hard enough (not true it'll hit you in the face like a sledgehammer even if you're blind). He's ALWAYS justifying his relevance to this world by what he does, what he knows, or who he hangs out with. But its NEVER who he is as a person.
And I think he lives/was raised around a lot of superficial people who have based their life worth under the same exact criteria. His parents most likely beat him as a child if he didn't come home with an A+ in music.. its inevitable to create some deep seeded insecurities later in life.

But you really got to step out the box and realize as fucked up as M4B may seem on the surface, once you get past that with him, he's actually a pretty decent guy. And the dicky remarks he passes back & forth are really no different than what you would do with a brother. As gay as this is bound to sound, I honestly thinks thats his way of telling the forum he loves us all.

I mean you can't really hate someone with OCD for cleaning your car untill the paint falls off. Sure they fucked your car up (same way M4B fucks up most his 'relationships' on here) but underneath there was actually a good intention there. I'm not sure how or why, but I see that intention in him. And even though a good deal of people can't stand him on here, you have to see thats what he WANTS. M4B is not the type of guy who conveys intimacy through compliments, he shutters to the spine at words like "love" and "caring". And he's obviously been conditioned that way by his 0 tolerance parents. I can almost guarantee his mommy never hugged him, but she most likely showed her love through insults.
And theres a term in psych called "self-verification" which fits here perfectly. M4B CAN NOT feel loved on this forum unless he has other members consistently insulting him.
If people understood how deep his own problems really were, I think they'd ease off a bit. Because the fact is, he's just another TAer like anyone else on this forum. I mean WHO in this forum is a 100% secure in the first place?
We all have our share of problems, sure he's more out in the open with it, but you don't kick a puppy when it shits on your rug... because it just doesn't know a different way of life.

Very impressive Robby - well characterize opinion my friend - I was just waiting for opportunity to ask him a personal question "why do you hate the music so much to the point that you have to be so disrespectful and so rude to anybody on this site who is trying to do what they really want/dream about - produce/create THE MUSIC" but I guess I will have to wait till next time, maybe????


Cheers.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox And cryo, theres a difference between "taking someone seriously".. and taking someone for a clown. My impression in this thread was definitely the latter. Should we all just do what you do and tolerate outright disrespect to an ENTIRE forum of relatively decent/cool people? You do understand thats how a good portion of behavoiral dysfunctions start?

Frankly, I don't give a flying f### how anybody else deals with him, but it's pretty obvious that everyone keeps letting him get under their skin simply because they take themselves and him far too seriously. And, regardless of whether or not you like him, there's no denying that his knowledge of music far surpasses anybody on this forum (except me, of course. I'm better, smarter, faster, stronger, and more handsome than he will ever hope to be ). So, my advice to you all is to take his knowledge for what it's worth, agree/disagree with his opinions, and quit being so f***ing sensitive about his arrogance, whether you believe it's real or staged. Or, just keep getting pissed off - I really don't care, but that joke is getting tired AFAIC.

Bottom line is that he's simply another guy on the internet who portrays a persona that he very likely doesn't portray in person. I "tolerate" him because I simply don't take myself, M4B, or EDM all that seriously - IT'S JUST MUSIC FFS! And I'm quite certain that he doesn't either - he just gets a good laugh out of exposing the people who take themselves far too seriously. And as long as they keep taking that bait, he's gonna keep on feeding 'em. Hell, he hasn't even chimed in on this post for last day and people are STILL taking his bait.

At the end of the day we are all TA Brothers!
Am I my brother's keeper?
Yes I AM!
http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Bro...923/keeper.html

I really can't stand this view that everyone on the internet is doing it for the lulz and trolling. I disagree with you entirely Cryo. He's a grade A fuckwit here and most likely in person too, and that has nothing to do with his musical ability.

Nobody is denying his musical prowess but it gets old when he keeps talking himself up, desperate for attention. He's like a spoiled little brat that's used to getting his own way and bullying everyone. He's a bully, plain and simple so you keep defending him but I certainly won't.

He'd fit in fine in the c0r, maybe he should go troll over there then.

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Originally posted by Fledz He's a grade A fuckwit here and most likely in person too,...

Have you ever met a 28-yo classical music nerd? I've met and worked with tons of them and they aren't the type of people to mouth off in person, cuz most pre-pubescent boys could kick their scrawny asses six ways from sunday. That's exactly why they get in battles of wit on the internet.

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Originally posted by Fledz ...desperate for attention.

I don't disagree with that. And this thread (including your post) is testament that everybody is playing right into his hands. No offense, just sayin'

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Originally posted by Fledz ...so you keep defending him but I certainly won't.

If you re-read my posts carefully, I think you'll see that I'm not defending him, I'm defending the reasons that you guys are attacking him. There's a difference. This thread was started in attempt to call him out on his opinion - not one of us, you or the OP included, needs to be called out on our opinions regardless of what our attitude is. If you have a problem with his attitude or arrogance, call him out on that, if it's really worth your time. I think it's silly, but I also think that this whole discussion has gotten boring and my perceived defense of public TA enemy #1 has probably earned me a few haters now as well, so I'm done. Carry on.

I'm not disagreeing with you for a minute about the nerd/altered persona thing,
but lets look at this from the other way around.

Don't you think you're taking the internet a bit too "lightly"?

Or are you so oldschool that you believe things like "internet bullying" are just media made propaganda bullshit that also shouldn't be taken seriously? That gay freshman kid who jumped off a bridge and killed himself was he just taking the internet too seriously? Or maybe.. just MAYBE he shouldn't have been fucked with in the manner that he was?

My point is you outlined essentially what is YOUR coping mechanisms, then implied things that WE should be doing by saying "quit be so fucking sensitive about his arrogance".

But I'm not sure arrogance is the best way to describe what he's doing. He defiles people, degrades them, disgraces them, he's essentially using the internet to victimize as many people as he possibly can, while using the front of his music knowledge to aid him in the process (have you even noticed how he goes back to talking music everytime shit hits the fan... then a week later eases his way back in to the insults? Hes using music and his 'talents' as a tool to hurt people). While you are strong, and I may be strong, there are other people who aren't. And my reaction is based on the fact that the majority of people aren't as perfect as you are.
Whether its the internet, tv, phone, or in real life, what he's doing reaches far beyond mere "arrogance". Staged or intentional, he's actively fucking with peoples self esteem, their egos, and doing it in a completely carefree "I don't give a fuck" way.

While I understand what you are saying, and while I believe the whole world should just man up and stop being "sensitive" little bitches. I also think if ANYONE is to be reprimanded here for their behavoir, it is HIM, and in BY NO MEANS the people he's victimizing.
What if you logged on the forum one day and saw that one of our members had just had a divorce, lost custody of thier kids, and got fired from their job... then came here just to get fucked with by M4B, and that then drove them to swallow a bottle of pills?

You can sit here and say they were too sensitive, or they were already fucked in the head, but no man here knows any other mans predicament. And my assessment of what you said (I'm not assuming you give a fuck cause you already said you don't) is really just as arrogant as what M4B is doing. Am I blowing things out of proportion? I'm sure you'll say I am, but you need to recognize a scumbag when you see one and not become a doormat for them to walk all over on. He effectively called you a pompous w/e (along with the entire forum), and you're sitting here implying other members are being too sensitive.
I guess we should all just act like sergeant hartman from full metal jacket huh? Fuck that shit. I don't show my strength in life by assuming the role of a pushover and losing all my sensitivity. I do it by confronting people when they step out of line, here or real life. I was trying to stay in the middle of this arguement, but you don't get rid of dirtball by tolerating them. You get rid of them by punching them in the fucking face the second they start talking out the side of their mouth. We can't do that here, but people can drive him off by giving him a taste of his own medicine.

And I'm 100% an advocate of that. I won't do it myself, because I never felt victimized by him enough personally. But there are people here from all different walks of life, and I sure as hell don't have the nerve to tell them they're being too sensitive.

later

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm not disagreeing with you for a minute about the nerd/altered persona thing, but lets look at this from the other way around. Don't you think you're taking the internet a bit too "lightly"?

No, I don't. That's as far as I read and all I have left to say on this insignificant matter is that I really don't care. Let's not blow this out of proportion - he's simply a guy who acts like an ass on the internet. Deal with it, or don't. I've said my two cents and I honestly don't think it's worth arguing about or even discussing anymore. He's a big boy and he can speak for himself.

Is this one of those threads where one has to agree with the majority to not get evicted from the helpful production studio?
I think there's a good bunch here taking this forum AND themselves a bit too seriously, not to even mention the ass-kissing kind that never disagrees with anyone, just to keep from losing their face on the internet.
I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a certain individual go call the c0r for help when he's in distress here, the mighty production forum..

I, along with few others have never taken MFB so seriously. Well at least apart from the first time, which should make it obvious to everyone none of his talks are to be taken seriously. However, he was one of the few to be "kind" enough to help me with my shitty chord progressions and music theory in general.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox He's not gone you have to be kidding me. The guy tried to sneak back in once before when he already realized 85% of the forum couldn't stand him. He's likely gone through 10 boxes of kleenex by now. And cryo, theres a difference between "taking someone seriously".. and taking someone for a clown. My impression in this thread was definitely the latter. Should we all just do what you do and tolerate outright disrespect to an ENTIRE forum of relatively decent/cool people? You do understand thats how a good portion of behavoiral dysfunctions start? My take on M4B: He's disrespectful, condenscending, and rude. He also has almost no class whatsoever. And its evident by the way he talks to other people that he likely suffers from NPD (narcisistic personality disorder). Or maybe he's just your classic sociopath.. doesn't really matter. But I've also noticed a side to M4B that I'm not sure a lot of people see around here. Underneath his thick exterior, theres is definitely something that somewhat resembles a human being. You have to really look at a persons behavoir with a microscope before you start generalizing conclusions about how they really are. But I see M4B as someone who has an intense "need to belong". Its a psych term but its also a common sense term. Do you think he hosts competitions and pays people out of his pocket because he doesn't have a real desire to be accepted by people? (for the people who think he's subhuman) At the same time he's being a complete unneccessary asshole to one person, he's also entertaining another 10. In fact, I venture to say if M4B DIDN'T have a sense of humor.. by being as rude as he possibly could to people.. that he would have absolutely been gone for good a long time ago. I think he's always acting that way because he actually wants to make people laugh. Not because he's a miserable person. I do personally think he's extremely insecure, because the signs are everywhere if you look hard enough (not true it'll hit you in the face like a sledgehammer even if you're blind). He's ALWAYS justifying his relevance to this world by what he does, what he knows, or who he hangs out with. But its NEVER who he is as a person. And I think he lives/was raised around a lot of superficial people who have based their life worth under the same exact criteria. His parents most likely beat him as a child if he didn't come home with an A+ in music.. its inevitable to create some deep seeded insecurities later in life. But you really got to step out the box and realize as fucked up as M4B may seem on the surface, once you get past that with him, he's actually a pretty decent guy. And the dicky remarks he passes back & forth are really no different than what you would do with a brother. As gay as this is bound to sound, I honestly thinks thats his way of telling the forum he loves us all. I mean you can't really hate someone with OCD for cleaning your car untill the paint falls off. Sure they fucked your car up (same way M4B fucks up most his 'relationships' on here) but underneath there was actually a good intention there. I'm not sure how or why, but I see that intention in him. And even though a good deal of people can't stand him on here, you have to see thats what he WANTS. M4B is not the type of guy who conveys intimacy through compliments, he shutters to the spine at words like "love" and "caring". And he's obviously been conditioned that way by his 0 tolerance parents. I can almost guarantee his mommy never hugged him, but she most likely showed her love through insults. And theres a term in psych called "self-verification" which fits here perfectly. M4B CAN NOT feel loved on this forum unless he has other members consistently insulting him. If people understood how deep his own problems really were, I think they'd ease off a bit. Because the fact is, he's just another TAer like anyone else on this forum. I mean WHO in this forum is a 100% secure in the first place? We all have our share of problems, sure he's more out in the open with it, but you don't kick a puppy when it shits on your rug... because it just doesn't know a different way of life.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm not disagreeing with you for a minute about the nerd/altered persona thing, but lets look at this from the other way around. Don't you think you're taking the internet a bit too "lightly"? Or are you so oldschool that you believe things like "internet bullying" are just media made propaganda bullshit that also shouldn't be taken seriously? That gay freshman kid who jumped off a bridge and killed himself was he just taking the internet too seriously? Or maybe.. just MAYBE he shouldn't have been fucked with in the manner that he was? My point is you outlined essentially what is YOUR coping mechanisms, then implied things that WE should be doing by saying "quit be so fucking sensitive about his arrogance". But I'm not sure arrogance is the best way to describe what he's doing. He defiles people, degrades them, disgraces them, he's essentially using the internet to victimize as many people as he possibly can, while using the front of his music knowledge to aid him in the process (have you even noticed how he goes back to talking music everytime shit hits the fan... then a week later eases his way back in to the insults? Hes using music and his 'talents' as a tool to hurt people). While you are strong, and I may be strong, there are other people who aren't. And my reaction is based on the fact that the majority of people aren't as perfect as you are. Whether its the internet, tv, phone, or in real life, what he's doing reaches far beyond mere "arrogance". Staged or intentional, he's actively fucking with peoples self esteem, their egos, and doing it in a completely carefree "I don't give a fuck" way. While I understand what you are saying, and while I believe the whole world should just man up and stop being "sensitive" little bitches. I also think if ANYONE is to be reprimanded here for their behavoir, it is HIM, and in BY NO MEANS the people he's victimizing. What if you logged on the forum one day and saw that one of our members had just had a divorce, lost custody of thier kids, and got fired from their job... then came here just to get fucked with by M4B, and that then drove them to swallow a bottle of pills? You can sit here and say they were too sensitive, or they were already fucked in the head, but no man here knows any other mans predicament. And my assessment of what you said (I'm not assuming you give a fuck cause you already said you don't) is really just as arrogant as what M4B is doing. Am I blowing things out of proportion? I'm sure you'll say I am, but you need to recognize a scumbag when you see one and not become a doormat for them to walk all over on. He effectively called you a pompous w/e (along with the entire forum), and you're sitting here implying other members are being too sensitive. I guess we should all just act like sergeant hartman from full metal jacket huh? Fuck that shit. I don't show my strength in life by assuming the role of a pushover and losing all my sensitivity. I do it by confronting people when they step out of line, here or real life. I was trying to stay in the middle of this arguement, but you don't get rid of dirtball by tolerating them. You get rid of them by punching them in the fucking face the second they start talking out the side of their mouth. We can't do that here, but people can drive him off by giving him a taste of his own medicine. And I'm 100% an advocate of that. I won't do it myself, because I never felt victimized by him enough personally. But there are people here from all different walks of life, and I sure as hell don't have the nerve to tell them they're being too sensitive. later

I swear, you are the new Chrono.

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Originally posted by cryophonik If you re-read my posts carefully, I think you'll see that I'm not defending him, I'm defending the reasons that you guys are attacking him. There's a difference. This thread was started in attempt to call him out on his opinion - not one of us, you or the OP included, needs to be called out on our opinions regardless of what our attitude is. If you have a problem with his attitude or arrogance, call him out on that, if it's really worth your time. I think it's silly, but I also think that this whole discussion has gotten boring and my perceived defense of public TA enemy #1 has probably earned me a few haters now as well, so I'm done. Carry on.

I agree to a certain extent Dave, but there is an issue that goes along with the way he is too. This is the production forum where people are supposed to be able to talk about techniques and share opinions (unless it contains the word analogue of course).

The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two.

He's not controversial, he's an asshole. I'm all for a bit of banter, but in his case I think this place is genuinely better off without him.

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Originally posted by tehlord I agree to a certain extent Dave, but there is an issue that goes along with the way he is too. This is the production forum where people are supposed to be able to talk about techniques and share opinions (unless it contains the word analogue of course). The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two. He's not controversial, he's an asshole. I'm all for a bit of banter, but in his case I think this place is genuinely better off without him.

We need a Stalin grade mod.

Fighting online is like winning the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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Originally posted by tehlord The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two.

I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. Either way you slice it, it doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. That doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

Very true.

Ultimately I suppose it's moderator (or continued lack of) issue.

The guy should have been shelved months ago.

I'm indifferent towards teh MFB issue, but this forum really does need cleaning up. I do think another mod or two will help this forum out, it's so messy. Sorry for being off topic!

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. Either way you slice it, it doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

the point was that i called his bluff and was very nice about it and for the first 2 pages of this thread at least we exchaned insights into why that was.

all i asked for was to hear something timeless subject to his standerds to see what he looks for in music.

but you have to agree in his mind ta is under him and that is how he treats it here and when anyone dares to challenge it he cant take the heat.

God forbid he should ever take up photography (for example)as a hobby. I'd hate for him to have to visit a photography forum looking to exchange tips and to show off his works, only for a professional photographer to slate him and his work, in an incredibly arrogant, almost autistically persistent manner, as being totally beneath him because it doesn't meet his own, subjective, standards.

The funny thing is, I've only ever heard one dance track from MFB, and it sounded like the sort of thing paranoid schizophrenic people embed as a general midi file on their insane, rambling websites.

Not meaning to be an ass MFB, but evidence of your stellar TRANCE or similar EDM prowess, or STFU.

P.S. What makes you think that some people here don't make music for a living?

I still don't see why this thread needs to exist.

Personally, I enjoy m4b's sense of humour and I think he brings life to an otherwise dead forum. He does go over the top though, but unless you have the maturity of a school-age child, you should learn to take any criticism with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna be begging for him to come back, nor for him to go away. Whatever he chooses to do, that's his decision.

The root of the problem in this forum is too much arrogance and pride exists for all of us for us to realize that we can all learn from each other's opinions and experience. Instead, we all spend our time in here trying to justify who is more talented, has more experience, makes more money, has a bigger epeen, etc...

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Originally posted by J.L. I still don't see why this thread needs to exist. Personally, I enjoy m4b's sense of humour and I think he brings life to an otherwise dead forum. He does go over the top though, but unless you have the maturity of a school-age child, you should learn to take any criticism with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna be begging for him to come back, nor for him to go away. Whatever he chooses to do, that's his decision. The root of the problem in this forum is too much arrogance and pride exists for all of us for us to realize that we can all learn from each other's opinions and experience. Instead, we all spend our time in here trying to justify who is more talented, has more experience, makes more money, has a bigger epeen, etc...

It's a fair point. I just think he goes waaaaay over the top. It's one thing having your work critiqued, it's another to have it abusively put down, which I think MFB does quite alot. He can be funny, but I just find his arrogance very distasteful.

I agree totally with your last paragraph.

I don't understand what you guys stand to earn by discrediting M4B. I'm getting kind of tired of sticking up for him when you guys clusterfuck him with your whining over his ego or self-centeredness, and I really don't want to seem like I'm sucking up to him since I stand to earn absolutely nothing from doing so, but you guys are seriously delusional if you think M4B actually causes more harm than good.

Where the hell are you guys when any thread about theory or production comes up? M4B has a concise, thorough answer to virtually any legitimate question that's asked here. He formed a contest with his own money to encourage you guys to step out of your comfort zone as producers. And you guys get all touchy because he thinks highly of himself in comparison to us, who are a bunch of clueless, bottom-feeding bedroom producers with a couple of moderately successful musicians tossed in. You get pissed off because his sense of humor might be distasteful at, say, a funeral or a wine-tasting convention, but here on the grand old internet the things he says aren't even remotely shocking.

He was a wealth of knowledge in a giant pile of amateurs who are desperately trying to acquire it, and you guys decide that fart jokes and a well-deserved ego are just way too fucking hard to put up with in exchange for extensive musical knowledge that he's always been willing to share with us. Like he said, he gets absolutely nothing out of this site other than a way to waste time, so of course he's not going to take absolutely everything seriously like some of you try so fucking hard to do.

Sorry for the Robbie post, I hate ranting, but this seriously needs saying. You guys have the most vapid sense of humor I've ever seen on the internet before, I don't know what the hell causes it but you guys need to get your heads out of your asses. This thread directly addressed M4B with a stupid question and you guys preceeded to mock and insult him because he gave a legitimate answer that you didn't want to hear.

God I fucking hate you guys sometimes.

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Originally posted by Kysora I don't understand what you guys stand to earn by discrediting M4B. I'm getting kind of tired of sticking up for him when you guys clusterfuck him with your whining over his ego or self-centeredness, and I really don't want to seem like I'm sucking up to him since I stand to earn absolutely nothing from doing so, but you guys are seriously delusional if you think M4B actually causes more harm than good. Where the hell are you guys when any thread about theory or production comes up? M4B has a concise, thorough answer to virtually any legitimate question that's asked here. He formed a contest with his own money to encourage you guys to step out of your comfort zone as producers. And you guys get all touchy because he thinks highly of himself in comparison to us, who are a bunch of clueless, bottom-feeding bedroom producers with a couple of moderately successful musicians tossed in. You get pissed off because his sense of humor might be distasteful at, say, a funeral or a wine-tasting convention, but here on the grand old internet the things he says aren't even remotely shocking. He was a wealth of knowledge in a giant pile of amateurs who are desperately trying to acquire it, and you guys decide that fart jokes and a well-deserved ego are just way too fucking hard to put up with in exchange for extensive musical knowledge that he's always been willing to share with us. Like he said, he gets absolutely nothing out of this site other than a way to waste time, so of course he's not going to take absolutely everything seriously like some of you try so fucking hard to do. Sorry for the Robbie post, I hate ranting, but this seriously needs saying. You guys have the most vapid sense of humor I've ever seen on the internet before, I don't know what the hell causes it but you guys need to get your heads out of your asses. This thread directly addressed M4B with a stupid question and you guys preceeded to mock and insult him because he gave a legitimate answer that you didn't want to hear. God I fucking hate you guys sometimes.

So just because it's the internet, and everyone else does it, makes it OK?

When I was a noob producer I had a group of internet friends studying music production (at Berklee amongst other places) who helped me out without ramming their credentials down my throat at every opportunity. Neither were they abusive in critiquing my stuff. They're now producing for film and TV, one ghost-writes for a massive name, and another has just signed a 3 album deal with a major label - but you wouldn't know it, because they are humble and don't scream about it in people's faces all the time.

I really don't care how much he knows, it's totally irrelevant.

So someone who constantly helps other people out here is inherently a bad person because he doesn't sugar-coat his criticism? He works in an industry where I'm sure his own work has been shot down in pretty abrasive ways. How can you blame him for not beating around the issues that he points out in other peoples' music?

As for the ego I cannot believe that anyone actually gets that touchy over someone actually thinking highly of themselves. I don't know if it's insecurity or jealousy or whatever the issue is but get the fuck over it. The guy is fucking successful. If he feels like reminding you guys of that because you are CONSTANTLY trying to call his experience meaningless, then let him.

And as far as the internet is concerned, yes, the fact that abrasive humor is extremely commonplace makes me think you guys are acting out of line for overreacting to it, not the other way around. You're all adults, you should probably start learning how to ignore trivial bullshit and just take the good from people like him instead of going on with the unbelievably boring pedantry that typically goes on around here.

There are times when he's out of line, I understand that, but he's done more to make up for it than anyone else here. Why you guys think the countless times he's helped us out when we need it is suddenly irrelevant is beyond me.

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