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Originally posted by dj_alfi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Accent_Syndrome

lol i wish that was what was wrong with him..

FAS= Fetal Alcohol Syndrome ... basically his 15 yr old mum drank alot and took drugs to most likely forget the fact that she was raped and is now pregnant.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie If you need to use corporal punishment to teach your kids a lesson, you're doing it wrong. There's plenty of research that shows it isn't necessary, and that it has negative effects later in life. There are other parenting/discipline techniques that are far more effective.

How should one tackle this situation appropriately? The child got in trouble at school for fighting, amongst other bad behavior. Hot sauce and cold showers are cruel and unusual, but what would you suggest to do to correct his behavior? Not trying to argue, I'm just curious.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie If you need to use corporal punishment to teach your kids a lesson, you're doing it wrong. There's plenty of research that shows it isn't necessary, and that it has negative effects later in life. There are other parenting/discipline techniques that are far more effective.

what would be the best technique for a kid to learn his lesson then?
from what i've seen here in canada kids are fucking spoiled brats, reminds me of this video:

i wish all i got was some hot sauce in the mouth and a cold shower as a kid. my dad would whip me so hard, i knew better than to act up.

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Originally posted by Pokit Was wondering the same thing. Not saying the thread title is trying to make a malicious statement about all Mormons, but I don't understand why videos with titles like this exist. Are people trying to make blanket statement about large groups of people based on one member making a mistake? The world is full people people like this woman who do stupid things.

I realized that you are the closest TA to me..until I go back to FL. I'm in Provo, UT heh.

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Originally posted by JEO Hoh. FAO: Lira, please elaborate what speech like this would sound like. A rough demonstration is enough.

I sort of messed up the order: That's my Jamaican/Italian/French-Canadian/Slovak accent with a Geordie twist.

I have no real opinion other than that woman should get the hot sauce and cold shower treatment for simply having that hairstyle.

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Originally posted by ziptnf How should one tackle this situation appropriately? The child got in trouble at school for fighting, amongst other bad behavior. Hot sauce and cold showers are cruel and unusual, but what would you suggest to do to correct his behavior? Not trying to argue, I'm just curious.

Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.

Discipline requires consistency, explanation, and consequences. A child should always know why they are getting in trouble, and the parent should always follow through with the punishment. Time outs and taking away privileges are effective if used properly.

The major problem with discipline is that parents often don't follow through. When you yell at kids and hit them/punish them physically it affects their self esteem and ability to deal with problems in the future. But if you use explanation and non-physical consequences to discipline a child, they learn what it means to be accountable and how to solve problems constructively. How to control their anger, etc.

Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and shit is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol.

I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.


Funny Gera, we showed that video in class when presented our research proposal about corporal punishment.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents.

I agree with most but disagree with this, most kids (older) look at their peers, not parents and try to be like them, especially their best friends, if their friends are a bad influence and are idiots then your kid will act like that as well, just like shown in the video.

Kids have to know their place and what is right and what is wrong, just by taking away privileges it won't teach a kid a proper lesson imo.

Yes, it will. I've researched this issue extensively, and you're plain wrong.

I can send you the work I did on this when I get home, if you really want to see proof.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and shit is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol. I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.

Never once did I vouch for her actions, I think she was ridiculously out of line, and showed the whole world how she was a fucking terrible parent. Please don't think I was defending her by asking. I would never lay a hand on a child in that fashion (inb4 IGK). 9 times out of 10, a more reasonable punishment such as no dessert or no video games/internet or whatever is a far better solution.

I teach children how to swim on weekends, anywhere from age 3 to 11ish (primarily). When they goof off, smart mouth me, or don't listen, I first correct them and explain the problem in a very clear way. If it continues, I don't allow them to play the game at the end, or I make them sit on the side of the pool while everyone else swims. My boss has told me that it is not my place to "punish" them like that, but my goal is ultimately to teach the children how to swim. My credibility would be lost if I let them walk all over me. If their parents are paying money to me to teach them, they should also be prepared for minor consequences if their child disobeys me or acts up.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.

What about a kid who was hit pretty often during their life and isn't very aggressive at all (never been in a fight, etc etc)? Also not arguing, just curious to know.

There are always exceptions.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie I can send you the work I did on this when I get home, if you really want to see proof.

sure

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Originally posted by Miss Pie There are always exceptions.

Wonder what makes them like that? I'd also like to read your research when you get home, too, please!

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems. Discipline requires consistency, explanation, and consequences. A child should always know why they are getting in trouble, and the parent should always follow through with the punishment. Time outs and taking away privileges are effective if used properly. The major problem with discipline is that parents often don't follow through. When you yell at kids and hit them/punish them physically it affects their self esteem and ability to deal with problems in the future. But if you use explanation and non-physical consequences to discipline a child, they learn what it means to be accountable and how to solve problems constructively. How to control their anger, etc. Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and shit is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol. I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple. Funny Gera, we showed that video in class when presented our research proposal about corporal punishment.

this! and i see what you're saying about looking towards your peers geroin, but if you're parents do a proper job of raising you, you should have enough self-confidence and be smart enough to make better decisions... i'm sure many will disagree, and there is always the exception.. but in my experience this is what i've found.

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Originally posted by geroin

Spank them all you want, he did it because he's a true Aussie. Why do you think Fledz is so abrasive and Stu is always taking pictures of birds!?

They're sublimating the Aussie party animal trapped inside their souls!

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Originally posted by Lira Spank them all you want, he did it because he's a true Aussie. Why do you think Fledz is so abrasive and Stu is always taking pictures of birds!? They're sublimating the Aussie party animal trapped inside their souls!

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Originally posted by Meat187

You can stare at my shades all you want, loser.




Now excuse me, I have a Para Para Mix to make...

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Originally posted by Meat187 Now excuse me, I have a Para Para Mix to make...

Hahaha, yes!

Please let me know when you upload it!

The belief that corporal punishment is effective is a culturally ingrained idea. People think "my parents smacked me and I turned out fine!" and believe that makes CP acceptable, but it isn't - and you'd be hard pressed to find research that supports the notion.

One of the big issues with CP is that the overwhelming majority of people who use it to discipline their kids are poor and uneducated (cough*single parent families but mothers especially*cough). The reason for this is because they have more steessors and less support, thereby compounding their levels of frustation and anger. So where a more educated person with better support networks might have the time and knowledge to sit down and talk it through healthily with their child, a less educated person with less support will just get pissed and frustrated and lash out.


A fundamental principle of discipline is that you never do it from a place of anger. Getting pissed at your kid cause they fucked up isn't a reflection of your kid's behaviour, it's a reflection of your inability to deal with problems. Kids need guidance, and if you don't think they learn much of how to behave in the world from the way they're disciplined, you'd be fooling yourself.



Again, you wouldn't talk to/treat an adult that way to solve problems, why is it ok to treat children that way??

lol CP

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Originally posted by Miss Pie The belief that corporal punishment is effective is a culturally ingrained idea. People think "my parents smacked me and I turned out fine!" and believe that makes CP acceptable, but it isn't - and you'd be hard pressed to find research that supports the notion. One of the big issues with CP is that the overwhelming majority of people who use it to discipline their kids are poor and uneducated (cough*single parent families but mothers especially*cough). The reason for this is because they have more steessors and less support, thereby compounding their levels of frustation and anger. So where a more educated person with better support networks might have the time and knowledge to sit down and talk it through healthily with their child, a less educated person with less support will just get pissed and frustrated and lash out. A fundamental principle of discipline is that you never do it from a place of anger. Getting pissed at your kid cause they fucked up isn't a reflection of your kid's behaviour, it's a reflection of your inability to deal with problems. Kids need guidance, and if you don't think they learn much of how to behave in the world from the way they're disciplined, you'd be fooling yourself. Again, you wouldn't talk to/treat an adult that way to solve problems, why is it ok to treat children that way??

What she said.

OT: What to expect from a half educated mormon moron

Yeah no what this mormon slut did is torture. Hot sauce and a cold shower? Fucking bitch. FUCK her. She can use other methods of punishment without physiological torture. Hey let's fuck up this kids taste buds and then give him hypothermia. Fuck ****. She should go to jail.


Yeah I was spanked with plenty of wooden paddles when I was a kid. It doesn't mean I'm going to pass on that crude method to the next generation by physically beating any kid of mine (if I have any).

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