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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced In 2002...it was South Korea's games but some were held in Japan.

it was a joint bid with half of the games in each country

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Originally posted by Stilez Why do you always have to bring the same argument into every topic? I/we get it, you're a feminist. Cool, but quit trolling your agenda into every discussion, ALL THE TIME. Don't mean to be a fkn asshole about it, but it's getting to me. Let's leave this thread to the topic of Futbol & FIFA. That being said, to overlook Spain-Portugal's bid? England's bid? Japan? I'm sure $$ had to have exchanged hands for this decision to be made. What has Qatar contributed to football in the last....forever years?

haha, what? I'm not a feminist. or a lesbian. That's really funny. Could you refer me to the last feminist post I made - before this one I mean.

I ask that because I know in Saudi, there are a lot of social restrictions that if the same in Qatar, would deter a lot of people from going and would make a lot of people question the award to Qatar moreso than they are after the aforementioned concerns about the heat, the infrastructure, etc.

Serious LOL on that comment though, you're right about one thing - not losing any sleep over misunderstandings like this.

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Originally posted by Ravist She's like that because of the fact that she's a lesbian and we all know that lesbians are miserable. A lot of them hate on men and think they are superior to them. I wouldn't worry about it dude.

Congratulations, that's an impressive amount of bigotry right there.
(Was that too big of a word for you? Sorry.)

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Originally posted by Skipper Serious LOL on that comment though, you're right about one thing - not losing any sleep over misunderstandings like this.

but you did feel the need to explain your dykey ways

2026 it should be in Nunavut

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Originally posted by TheVrk With it going to Qatar, the WC has officially been EVERYWHERE..or at least in every contintent sans Aussie.

Well even in the middle east there are much better choices for countries. Like Turkey, who actually qualified a few times and even came in third in 2002. Not only that Turkey is currently progressive country in the middle east which accepts a more pregressive view on many issues. Plus it's bigger.

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Originally posted by Skipper I ask that because I know in Saudi, there are a lot of social restrictions that if the same in Qatar, would deter a lot of people from going and would make a lot of people question the award to Qatar moreso than they are after the aforementioned concerns about the heat, the infrastructure, etc.

Fair enough. I'll address this question, just don't want to veer off topic. As Marge mentioned & you now mention, I am curious to see how such a strict Muslim state/country will handle the influx of female foreigners (fans/supporters). Will they not administer or enforce their wearing of the hagib etc? Dress code & exposing of female body parts during matches? or will they choose not to apply them to their guests? Also, as mentioned by Yohan & now Sarah, what about the unbearable heat? Unless they plan on using indoor stadiums or water mist the fans within the stadiums, how will the unbearable heat be handled for players on the pitch?

I'm still in disbelief as to why they'd chose Qatar, but hey, they'll be the ones answering to the fans/world when the time comes.

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Originally posted by TheVrk I'm sure that $$$ was exchanged, but does anyone truly believe that no one was bought off for WC 94??? Or any other WC or Olympics?? So the exchange of $$$ argument falls off as irrelevant imo You're all forgetting that this isn't just a bid for Qatar, but for the entire middle east...just as this yr's wasnt only for S.Africa, but the WHOLE of Africa... Couple that with the fact that it's NEVER been in the middle east before (just like it's never been in Africa til now) and there's clearly a large sentiment to go to every continent and all corners of the world. With it going to Qatar, the WC has officially been EVERYWHERE..or at least in every contintent sans Aussie. But even they are now part of the Asian Football Federation (ghey but true) Malek asked what will they do with all those stadiums : "Presenters also promised to dismantle the stadiums built for the tournament and give them to needy countries." Also : "On behalf of millions of people living in the Middle East, thank you," Qatar bid chair Sheikh Mohammad bin Hamad Al-Thani said. ---> Middle East, not Qatar Don't we rememeber Africans cheering for ANY and ALL African teams when they played and not just their own nation?? I'm not saying i'm in full support of Qatar winning, but it does have some valid arguments

Good point on all fronts. When put into this perspective, it makes sense.

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Originally posted by Stilez

Apology accepted

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Originally posted by jester 2026 it should be in Nunavut

why not south pole?

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Originally posted by Special K Yea I don't get it. I think if you are going to award it to a new country give it to the Aussies at least. It's funny because I just started watching Boardwalk Empire last night and I was thinking, fuck America was ass backwards back during prohibition, lucky for them they had good old Canadian whisky runners providing sweet liquid gold for them . Thank fucking god there are no rules like that in North America anymore and we don't live in an ass backward country like some of the Loony Farm's in the Middle East.

Too bad we live in Ontario

All the stadia will be temperature-controlled. Come on guys, how fucking difficult is it to do a Google search for 'Qatar World Cup bid'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...A_World_Cup_bid

Seriously, how stupid must you be if you thought that Qatar could have won the bid without fans being able to drink? You cleary know nothing about the World Cup. Anyway, the country already allows the consumption of alcohol in certain hotels and bars, under permit; it is illegal to be drunk and disorderly in public, as well as to drink booze in public; lastly, the government is the only importer and retailer of alcohol. Therefore, exactly how repressive are the dinking laws? Well, about as liberal as Canada's!!! Also, as is the case for big events in Canada, permits will be issued for the sale of alcohol in fan-zones.

Just like with one-party states in Russia and China (excellent hosts of the recent Olympics), one thing that you can guarantee is that decisive action will be taken to ensure that everything gets completed on time, and that the tournament is well-organised.

Now that I think about it, I am actually starting to warm to the idea of Qatar being a host, at least in one sence: if nothing else, it will help dispel the racist myth that Middle Eastern folk are subhuman terrorists who all get off on watching people get stoned to death.

did anyone catch the speech given by russian minister of sport, i almost died, the reason this is hilarious is because he does not speak a word in english and was given a translated version of what to say in russian language.

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Originally posted by The Potter Seriously, how stupid must you be if you thought that Qatar could have won the bid without fans being able to drink? You cleary know nothing about the World Cup. Anyway, the country already allows the consumption of alcohol in certain hotels and bars, under permit; it is illegal to be drunk and disorderly in public, as well as to drink booze in public; lastly, the government is the only importer and retailer of alcohol. Therefore, exactly how repressive are the dinking laws? Well, about as liberal as Canada's!!! Also, as is the case for big events in Canada, permits will be issued for the sale of alcohol in fan-zones.

Huh?

Ummmmm yea, I think you are taking it a step too far.

The only place you can buy liquor from in Qatar is from a hotel, restaurant or a nightclub which must be drunk on the premises. Let me add that you will pay a major premium on this.

Wait sorry my bad I forgot I can get myself one of those alcohol permits that you mentioned.

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To obtain an alcohol permit you need a letter from your employer written in English. This must be signed and stamped by an authorised person in your company and be addressed to the Qatar Distribution Company. It must state the applicant�s position, basic salary (must be above 4000 riyals or 1100 dollars, and the letter must use the word basic), state if an accommodation entitlement is received or if the applicant receives free accommodation and whether the applicant is married. The applicant must also provide their ID/passport and residence permit (photocopies are acceptable) and a 1000 riyal (275 dollar) returnable deposit. You also have to complete an application form, and state your religion.

Yeah I can totally forsee the morality police handing these out hand over fist during the World Cup so tourists can buy alcohol from the one alcohol store in Doha

It's ok though, I can still bring alcohol with me on the plane so I can have a supply of liquor in my hotel room. Nope, again that is a punishable offence.

Oh wait, sorry they will have designated "fan zones" where you can go to purchase alcohol. Yeah that sounds great, I can drink in some boring fucking tent like a caged animal while it's 40-50 degrees outside.

Which leads me to this; the shittiest part of this alcohol related portion of the Qatar World Cup, and the part from which I can tell that you have never been to an event of this scale and nature before is that half the fun of being able to go to something like this is being able to soak up the ATMOSPHERE!!! You know, go out and walk the streets drinking whilst mangled with a sea of people while chanting and singing the songs of the country you are there to support. Trust me on this, this is as much if not more fun then going to the actual games themselves, and having the World Cup in Qatar kills this.

What atmosphere if any will you be soaking up while it's sweltering outside to the point where no one even wants to be outside / you can't drink or appear to be intoxicated / or have a drink in your hand unless you are in some fucking 5 star hotel or in some "supervised" tent.

Ummmmmmmm yea no thanks.

And another thing if I go somewhere where it's 40-50 degrees outside it would be nice if my wife / gf / daughter / sister / any girl doesn't have to worry about dressing "properly" ie. has to cover her shoulders / can't wear a skirt for fear of reprucussions from some whack morality police.

The more I think about it ... this is going to SUCK for the FANS that like to get down and PARTY, which at the end of the day imo is what going to an event like this is all about!!! And that is why, like I said earlier in the thread, this will be another soulless World Cup much like South Africa was.

dont worry everyone....EURO 2012 is just around the corner.

Get drunk in the streets, dress like a whore...ALL ARE WELCOME!

Poland+Ukraine will be good times.

Poles are good to party with ... even in defeat they are up for a good time!!!

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Originally posted by Special K Huh? Ummmmm yea, I think you are taking it a step too far.

What the hell are you on about, 'taking it too far'? You are the one who is clearly getting hysterical at my attempt to alleviate what I considered to be a legitimate concern. What's up, did I touch a raw nerve, as you wanted everyone to continue believing that Middle Eastern folk are subhuman terrorists who all get off on watching people get stoned to death? Your response speaks volumes, as rather than being reassured that alcohol will be readily available, you went on to continue your diatribe by objecting to the price that may have to be paid (by the way, where is your evidence?), which makes me think that you have some other agenda.

People raised the understandable concern about alcohol availability in a Muslim country, and I have repsonded with some cold, hard facts to address their concerns, including how the government's issuance of permits for the sale of alcohol is no different from the laws in Canada. Moreover, no country would be stupid enough to not make their guests feel welcome, when the rest of the world is watching - so of course the World Cup drinking culture will be accommodated. Also, of course these fan-zones are going to be out in the open, where people can quench their thirsts whilst watching the action on a big screen...have you ever seen other World Cups!?

Since the World Cup is a place where people of different backgrounds try to put the unwarranted bitching to one side, just for once, and try to get along and rejoice in their common humanity, it is just as well that you are not going

First of all you were the one that was equating their laws to Canada saying that they are as "liberal as Canada's" not me. I pointed out to you with specific examples on how their laws with regards to this are not as similar as you make them out to be. You're response? I have some sort of a hidden agenda for whatever it is that you are babbling on about because I refuted that which you were alluding too.



Nice one.


Anyways ... here is my suggestion to you:

Go to any of the following ...

Poland / Ukraine 2012 ... Brazil 2014 ... France 2016 .... Russia 2018 and come back and tell me how amazing Qatar was. Seriously.

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Originally posted by The Potter All the stadia will be temperature-controlled.

LOL thats gotta be good for the environment. *facepalm*

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Originally posted by Special K First of all you were the one that was equating their laws to Canada saying that they are as "liberal as Canada's" not me. I pointed out to you with specific examples on how their laws with regards to this are not as similar as you make them out to be.

How exactly have you refuted what I said about Qatar's alcohol laws being comparable to the Canadian government's strict controls? The general premise of your intial argument was that virtual prohibition exists in Qatar! You then shift the goalposts and start bitching about what the price of the alcohol may be (which only a second ago did not exist!). Since you seem to still be disgruntled at Qatar hosting the World Cup, even after answering your objection about the lack of alcohol, I start to wonder what your agenda is, as logic does not appear to work with you. Instead of just moving on and maybe raising some other more valid concerns about Qatar's bid (such as what the fuck is there to do, besides drinking yourself comatose. I am under the impression that there any not many tourist sights to visit), you persist on digging yourself a deeper hole about bloody alcohol.

By the way, nice attempt at changing the topic and talking about how well-recived the World Cup will be compared with other nations. The focus of my points was about the challenging the notion that alcohol is banned in this Muslim country. I never said that, overall, it was greatest-ever choice for the World Cup; rather, that it is unreasonable to hate on the country's bid because of an untruth about alcohol. Can you appreciate the obvious distinction? Rather than confirm any inadeqaicies of the Qatari bid in this sense of alcohol prohibition, your responses reveal more about your insatiable and all-consuming need for alcohol. As a concerned fellow TA, I would get that dependancy looked at, if I were you, mate

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Originally posted by LightsOut LOL thats gotta be good for the environment. *facepalm*

I am not saying that it is good (it is one of the reasons why it should not be held in Qatar); just pointing out that it is one less thing to bitch about, even if people then go onto to raise valid concerns about the damage to the environment (which I agree with).

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Originally posted by geroin did anyone catch the speech given by russian minister of sport, i almost died, the reason this is hilarious is because he does not speak a word in english and was given a translated version of what to say in russian language.

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