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The production on Britney's new track is rather underground in aesthetic. Her new album is going to be huge. I ve heard about 5 tracks from it and once this is released, everyone will be making EDM.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad The production on Britney's new track is rather underground in aesthetic. Her new album is going to be huge. I ve heard about 5 tracks from it and once this is released, everyone will be making EDM.

Don't know if that is a joke mate. Haven't heard it but I don't underestimate people. I am no good producer now but I am way better than I was 1 year ago. People can improve.

*Not to imply I believe Britney Spears is opening FL Studio first thing in the morning to prepare her next album

I would write pop/dance songs all damn day if I had the connections, I would just use an alias

How much do you think a producer gets for writing the track for say Britney or lady gaga? 6 figures?

Sign me up.

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Originally posted by CalebGolston Don't know if that is a joke mate. Haven't heard it but I don't underestimate people. I am no good producer now but I am way better than I was 1 year ago. People can improve.

what do you mean ? Have you heard her latest single. It is the first pop EDM track that really is EDM to be on the USA charts since probably sandstorm. That is almost 11 years and there will be lots more to follow.

What i'm saying is that the 1995 - 2000 era where everyone was making money with EDM is back.



go to 2:20. That is fantastic dance production and its pop. Never thought I would say that.

Is it called 'Hold it against me'?

yup

not saying you have to like the track but it is a rather relevant track in that unlike guetta's EDM tinged pop, this is full on EDM.

I just hadn't heard it. I completely understand what you are saying.

didn't rusko have something to do with britney spears' latest production? or was that all rumour?

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad They are not completely unrelated. Most musicians tend to be better composers for the mere fact that they are immersed in music. A good producer has the potential to be a better dj. A better dj has the potential to be a better producer.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i have noticed you understand better the music you play when you start to produce, and when producing you know which will fill the dancefloor and which not, also you learn to make good dj friendly versions, you are the first punished by your ineptitude

+1 to both of these.

its easier to teach a producer how to DJ (how i learned) than to teach a non-producer because they (should) already understand the structure of the music and have a sense of how to make it flow. Also, usually the person who is a producer first is more creative with music selection a lot earlier on than a non-producer, however the battle is that some producers i know get a little too artsy when trying to DJ and clear dance floors. what i mean by that is understanding what type of tracks are better suited for listening/radio shows and what tracks are more suitable for playing live/dancing is what you have to pay attention to. But like m4b has stated, the knowledge and experience in both areas really do build off of one another.

just my 2cents

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Originally posted by CalebGolston Yes, good point. However, I have studied the paths of several of the top DJs and I think Armin van Buuren is where he is because of one massive innovation: a weekly trance radio show (not his productions or live gigs). I think he was also the first DJ to really get a big internet following. Earlier than that, it seemed that DJs could become DJs without being a producer, such as John Digweed, Sasha, Carl Cox, Pete Tong, Tall Paul, ect. All of those guys were huge way before they put out top notch songs. Even Oakenfold to an extent became a good producer later. NOW, it is impossible to become a DJ if you are not a producer first. And this always strikes me as funny, because the 2 are unrelated to me. A good DJ is about an ear for good music first (the tracklist) the programming second (good intro, middle, end) and somewhere down the line technical ability is nice. To me perfectly mixing the beatport top ten is not being a DJ. My theory to why you can't DJ unless you produce, is that it is a Harvesting Effect. It is way easier to be a good DJ than good Producer. Just my thoughts.

Yep its all changed now, and its natural for this to happen. When I 1st started DJ-ing making tracks wasnt a requirement but nowadays unless you have some unique skill to showcase on the decks it is almost a requirement to make beats to get yourself recognised. The fact that software is available everywhere has contributed to this, unlike the days of mainly expensive hardware, and the internet/file sharing/easy to contact a global market/digital labels etc etc. Plus the fact years ago everyone wanted to DJ, now everyone whats to produce. Two to are related, but they are not something that you have to do together. Being a DJ helps you understand the structure of tracks if you want to produce.

DJ-ing is definately easier than producing music, thats obvious from the start though.
Regarding AVB you are right ASOT def helped him to grow and gain popularity.

Only thing I would debate, I think 90% of people want to be DJs and 10% producers. I imagine most people try producing for a year realise it is next to impossible and give up. Also, ironically, I think it is easier for people to give your productions a chance, becuase it is so easy to tell in 30 seconds if they are good or not. Wheras a DJ set takes a long time to know.

Also, I am not implying being a Sasha or Digweed at their peak is easy. Creating an amazing flawless set is really hard. Putting together a good set though, is not very hard at all.

i started off producing. Djing didn't really make sense to me as I had a traditional music background and I wanted to make music. I only started djing as it looked so easy and it was really just to prove it and I was right.

I think the hardest part of being a DJ is the travelling

i'm one of those that starting producer because saw that you can't solo dj unless you have an amazing network of contacts (djing is all about contacts don't forget this) , it's not that i don't like creating my own music, i love it, but producing is a bit exhasperating and the current music industry means deadlines, producing on rush... hell i don't like this.

I don't want to spend every single free minute of my life sitting in front of a computer producing, i like to take time for music and produce when i am inspired, i should be on this forums less time, that should improve my game a lot too, i learn things here but well 5 days on a row and i didn't even opened the daw, true that i've made 2 tracks in january but this is not very much i guess.

A legit release a month is pretty decent I think. If you have 2 that is really good pacing.

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Originally posted by CalebGolston I think the hardest part of being a DJ is the travelling

i found the hardest thing about DJing is playing music you dont wanna play or hear. You have to do that though because its not what you want its what the crowd wants.
This one gig i played on this cruise ship on sydney harbour.. just when sexy bitch came out.
I held off a little from playing it.. i did play it and then half way through some wasted people came n said oh can you play it againnn pleassse.
I said the song hasnt even fucking finished!!!
arrrgghhh

experiances like that help my decision to stop DJing and focus on producing.. i think i will get back into it when i can play music i want i.e TRANCE!

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Originally posted by CalebGolston I think the hardest part of being a DJ is the travelling

and the late nights!

To be honest, I am not big on 'the crowd' aspect. A good DJ knows more about music than the crowd does and should have some level of authority in chosing the mood. The way I see it you have worked hard to get to that point and they are coming to see you do your thing.

I have been on a Sydney harbour cruise at night (it wasn't a party) and it was spectacular. Also, I love how there are all these small islands with docks around the harbour. What a city!

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Originally posted by CalebGolston To be honest, I am not big on 'the crowd' aspect.

Me neither.

If they dont like it then they shouldn't be in that club, but tbh where I play people know what to expect, to an extent, its why they turn up in the first place, they know what they are guna get....


Skullcrushing hardcore



Alot of the big name Dj's tend to play a hell of alot of stuff from there own labels or "circles" anyway so a think "reading the crowd" don't really happen much unless the crowd is booing or chanting "rubbish" (seen it done with Pete Tong lol) then you do have to do something about it.

Yeah, honestly, the big DJs play there label, that's it. That isn't reading the crowd. But it also isn't creating a worthwile meaningful set either. I did hear an Above and Beyond Essential Mix a couple years ago that was all Anjuna but diverse enough it was awesome. It was only and hour though.

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Originally posted by music2dance2 Being a DJ helps you understand the structure of tracks if you want to produce.

No it doesn't.

it should. I mean a dj listens to music. Just listening to music will tend to make you notice things. The problem and the reason it doesn't seem so is that alot of retards start djing. Djing is the only instrument where you can really suck and still get a job. But that isn't to say djing didn't help that person learn about music and form. Sure they suck but they would suck more had they not djed.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 i found the hardest thing about DJing is playing music you dont wanna play or hear. You have to do that though because its not what you want its what the crowd wants. This one gig i played on this cruise ship on sydney harbour.. just when sexy bitch came out. I held off a little from playing it.. i did play it and then half way through some wasted people came n said oh can you play it againnn pleassse. I said the song hasnt even fucking finished!!! arrrgghhh experiances like that help my decision to stop DJing and focus on producing.. i think i will get back into it when i can play music i want i.e TRANCE!

Yes you've definately played at parties in sydney!

Seriously though, why were you playing at some shithouse party where the crowd had no idea? You should have been hitting up nights like progression project or the other couple of psy/trance nights and playing there.

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Originally posted by CalebGolston To be honest, I am not big on 'the crowd' aspect. A good DJ knows more about music than the crowd does and should have some level of authority in chosing the mood. The way I see it you have worked hard to get to that point and they are coming to see you do your thing. I have been on a Sydney harbour cruise at night (it wasn't a party) and it was spectacular. Also, I love how there are all these small islands with docks around the harbour. What a city!

Well its a matter of balance isn't it. If you play music that's completely removed from what the crowd wants and you're known for playing that style of music then its really the promoter's fault because they're the one who booked you... If an RnB promoter books a trance DJ then he shouldn't be expected to play RnB or some shit.

Its defintately a DJ's job to lead the dancefloor rather than be a jukebox who just plays tracks that are requested. You have a far larger musical knowledge than most of the crowd and are there to do a job, which is programming a set and selecting great tracks, and its just insulting to then be told how to do it. I've always told people requesting tracks to rack off for that reason, often with hilarious consequences.

But sometimes you get into a situation where you play something very similar to what the crowd wants, and the promoter books you on the basis of your demo thinking you'll play just like that, but when you get there and start playing you find that the crowd isn't quite responding to what you're doing. Thats the situation where you have to swallow your pride and play some tracks that are sure to get the floor moving. In my particular case that involved playing a Pete Heller track that I absolutely hate but has a big acid line that suited the venue really well and the crowd loved it. Its not fun but its part of the job sometimes.

Pete Heller :O I love his song 'Simpler (New Mix)'

I agree with your thoughts. One exception to the 'crowd' thing: I remember hearing a story that Paul Oakenfold was playing a stadium and had 'Southern Sun' on and the crowd wanted it again. He literly let the record play out and put the needle back at the beggining. That is an example where I think it was incredible atmosphere and a legendary moment. Now, if they were screaming for 'The Reward Is Cheese' it just woldn't be the same

Of course, in my opinion there aren't DJs like the old Paul Oakenfold anymore (and I only know from hearing old sets, I hadn't even heard of most electronic music until 2006 well after Oakenfold 'sold out').

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