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Americans are so damn lazy. I think you are referring back to America in the 50s. Now , it is just a mass of stupid fat people.

pretty sure inventiveness is not a word or if it is , it should not be used.

ingenuity

And Americans have a huge head start in making films but I would say most films and directors that stand out lately are definitely not American.

@meriter - move to Oregon. I lived there for a few years before the green card got revoked. it's oceanside and the people are relaxed. even Portland is a very calm city.

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Originally posted by Storyteller music sounds overly mixed, stale and bland mostly

has anyone heard this year's Black Dog and Robert Babicz albums? they sound terrible. the producers have all the gear you like, and i remember Babicz saying in an interview he has a guys who tweaks the hardware before he uses it, but it sounds cheap. just before listening to them i listened to the Michael Stearns 1985 album (released in '81 on vinyl) 'Planetary Unfolding', and it shoots way over for quality. end-to-end listening it has the same openness, a similar warmth, and a worse mixdown than the above two. still, listening to Babicz or Black Dog bores the tears out of me compared to Stearns, or even compared to their old productions.

newer productions (lotsa ambient stuff is getting into this trend) that emulate the old sound/use analogue gear stand out from the old stuff in one way: they are much more dynamic. there's more headroom in the old stuff, but it still sounds crisper than the overly dynamic, attack-ful productions i've been hearing these days.

it seems like all the qualities that are important for tracks, things like warmth, dynamics, & openness, take the predominant role in the production process. music is suffering tho. even the reviews talk about extraneous references to other artists to describe the sounds, or categorize the samples, or describe it as "warm" or "open". whatever all this focus on production has given, it's not quality.

Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature.

If people abuse digital recording, that is their own fault, but as far as the nature of the medium goes, digital is less limited than analog with respect to dynamics, especially once you get into higher bit rates. I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is a case of user abuse.

Digital makes it easier to squeeze every last bit of loudness into a track while coming just short of clipping, so people often do. But it's not the nature of the medium that forces them to do this. It's their own (stupid) preference.

Agreed! I don't think an analoque desk is better than mixing directly ITB (or stay in ITB box if you only have VSTi's)

But putting your finished recording through an analogue chain before you limit ITB, will, depending on the components and engineer, take your track to a level where VST compressors and EQ will not be able to take you

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Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature. If people abuse digital recording, that is their own fault, but as far as the nature of the medium goes, digital is less limited than analog with respect to dynamics, especially once you get into higher bit rates. I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is a case of user abuse. Digital makes it easier to squeeze every last bit of loudness into a track while coming just short of clipping, so people often do. But it's not the nature of the medium that forces them to do this. It's their own (stupid) preference.

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Originally posted by Raphie Not sure what you're on about? what does songwriting has to do with mixing skills and gear? elaborate on your point? remember, this discussion is not about the carpenter, but the quality of nails and hammer. It's so easy to make this a "what a waste of gear, for such a lack of talent" issue. Because that's not what this topic is about.

What does gear and mixing skills have to do with a good? Very littLe. VERY VERY VERY VERY LITTLE. SO LITTLE IN FACT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED. ACTUALLY WE COULD DO AWAY WITH AND AND WE WOULD STILL BE FINE. ACTUALLY COULD GO TOO AND WE WOULD BE FINE.

THIS IS TA, WHEN DOES A TOPIC EVER STAY ON TOPIC? HAS ANYONE SEEN THE NEW OFFICE?

im watching mad men season 3 atm. like it. just finished wire season 2, didnt like it season 1 was much better.

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Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature.

lol um ya it is - by nature.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad lol um ya it is - by nature.

How?

What is the dynamic range of analog tape or vinyl?

What is the dynamic range of digital at high bit rate?

See the difference?

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Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ How? What is the dynamic range of analog tape or vinyl? What is the dynamic range of digital at high bit rate? See the difference?

technically what ever you want it to be so infinity, I suppose in practice in doesn't quite work out that way. But that is merely a deficiency of the medium and not the actual concept. But to only talk about dynamic range while avoiding the other component of frequency is kind of pointless. Digital will have incremental steps while analog, despite the headroom being smaller in practice technically has a dynamic range of infinity as there are infinite nodes between what might seem like a more limited medium.

You start off analog , and you end up analog.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad technically what ever you want it to be so infinity, I suppose in practice in doesn't quite work out that way. But that is merely a deficiency of the medium and not the actual concept.

Yes, and in the real world we record our music on media, not on concepts.

conformist

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Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ What is the dynamic range of analog tape or vinyl?

in america, 110V. in europe 230v. if you really want value for your money on analog gear you should move to europe.

i guess Joel is wrong as well?

what else do you expect a geek to spend his money on ?

raphie youre a gearslut, seek help
the only thing i envy about joels setup is the fact that he has a dedicated room. id probably paint it black and use it as a porn-studio instead though.

you'd think with all that gear he'd be able to figure out some way to make one track distinguishable from the next. oh well

gear means nothing. i made awesome music only using a minidiscplayer as a sampler back in the days. layered on a taperecorder. i was pretty awesome. i dont know what happened.

need to get matching mounts and also get one more ipad.
Way more handy than loads of hardware. This isn't a studio, it is a command centre.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!

............

my HUD

2 macpros 8 core fully loaded with 32 gigs of ram each
4 vertical 24" WD HP monitors 2 ipads controllers with a 3rd to come.
Apogee symphony
88 key yamaha piano
2 genelec 1029 with matching sub

ITB can be sexy and mobile if the feds ever close down on my child pornography bidness.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad need to get matching mounts and also get one more ipad. Way more handy than loads of hardware. This isn't a studio, it is a command centre.

Niiiice!

Nice M4B! What control surface app is that on the left iPad?

touch osc on the right and AC7 pro on the left. I just got home and haven't had time to really get it running but damn just messing around, the ipad is so damn sexy.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad need to get matching mounts and also get one more ipad. Way more handy than loads of hardware. This isn't a studio, it is a command centre.

Ok, you got my interest piqued. Gotta know what you got going on there on the ipads. Sharing is caring. Do tell.

Oh, and you're a leftie. That explains A LOT.

edit: found this vid. Is it worth it or gimmicky?

i've been trying a few out actually as I mentioned I just got home.

touch osc is definitely amazing in everyway , pro remote is much better as it actually receives fader values. AC7 doesn't.

ONe app that isn't really production related but really useful is clock pro. You can set all these timers so that you keep track of what you are working on and when you are fucking about. Like punching in for work so you keep track of where your time is going.

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