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The good thing about not living in Montreal is never getting caught up in taking it for granted like I see so many who live there do. Martin speaks the truth.

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Originally posted by corjay9 the thing is, they're fucking kids. 17-19 years old fresh off their Metallica obsession.. listening to noisy dance music and getting super hammered. They'll grow up and out of it if you expose them to the techno/house scene in a few years. I dunno, when you guys were 18 were you popping pills and partying until 10am? Give them some time they'll mature.

16 here and i wore phat pants

Witty is right to an extent, although I don't think it is better off dying.

The drugs are different, the technology has evolved, and the new generation of kids are just completely different. There is nothing wrong with this, history repeats itself and this same thing has happened in generations past.

I think a reason why the 90's and early 00's were so bumping here (besides the drugs being better and the type of drug en vogue at these events were more widely used by a broader demographic) was that there was much more in terms of events that younger people who could not go to clubs could attend. By the time they were of clubbing age, they already had a little bit of "rave" under their belts, and the transition was made easier.

The mystique of DJ culture is over. You can find almost any track using shazam, beatport and a whole bunch of stuff. You don't even have to learn any mixing skills to get hired anymore, creating an influx of absolutely horrible djs...and this does not extend to locals...some guys with huge booking fees are absolutely clueless behind the decks (traktor). Now underground is something that is sanitized, nicely packaged, and used as a marketing angle. Underground music is dead, it has been for a long time now. I'm going to catch flack for saying that, but the reality is that you can post any "underground" set, and within an hour i can have every track in it without leaving my house.
If that is not accessibility, i don't know what is. Underground and accessibility aren't really good bed mates now are they?

Back in the day there was this mystique in regards to this music. If you wanted to hear it, you had no choice but to go to the places that it was played at. Why go to an afterhours anymore? The kids can just go see a bar owner, tell them they are bringing 50 people for a party, and play music which resembles this sort of stuff with nothing more than a laptop, mouse, and a really shitty PA system. They know all of the big hits to play, because they have convenient top 10, top 100 lists to purchase it from. It is a sanitized exercise in mediocrity, so it is normal that it might not incite that aura of mystique as in previous generations. That mystique, the being part of something that was shunned and misunderstood by popular culture at the time, was a big reason for the success it had.

The saving grace is Piknik, at least on the musical side of things. That is the best shot to hook em while they are young. Hell, I am surprised an afterhour never approached them to start a partnership in where they can share some costs and the dj. You have the guy play an all ages show in the day, and an afterhours set at night. This kind of cross promotion would work wonders imo, the brand piknik has created is easily the strongest in this city since the 514 days....

this brainfart was brought to you by the letter e and the number 65.

If every generation just sat on its hands and did the same exact things as in the generations past, the music we like would not even exist. The parties we still remember and always will would not have happened. The kids will come up with their own niche things that they will be defined by in the future, that they will be nostalgic about like the old fucks like me are today.

i'm thankful i'm not as old as creator though, because depends are expensive

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay i'm thankful i'm not as old as creator though, because depends are expensive

ha ha yeah, but I can still drag my ass to the club. You just stay home, mumbling about vinyl days... ;-)

hey i made it until 6am sober as fuck 2 weeks ago

josh wink sucks

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Originally posted by Ravemontreal Montreal rocks guys. It's even rocking a little too much. Right now we are testing the very limits of what a small city like this one can handle. 2 after-hours clubs in the top 100 DJ mag, PIknic, Igloofest, Montreal en lumi�res, fantastic bookings, bal en blanc, black & blue..... Never seen winter so alive in Montreal. Its usually dead. We had so much this year. I was in New York last week-end for Ben Klock, and the vibe doesn't even compare to here. I lived in London, Los Angeles, Sydney.... and althought they are great cities, Montreal is truely unique. Promoters and artists from Toronto and NY writting to me saying that they want to move here, that we kick ass. Most guests I bring are having a hard time just findind a second gig in North America. People that haven't travelled much may think that other cities are SO much better. That everything is SO great and life would be SO much better. The fact is most of them aren't. Believe me, if Montreal doesn't get it and you can't get a crowd moving here, most of the world won't neither.

OMG Martin you kill me! It seems like every time someone steps out and broadcasts a strong opinion you somehow find a way throw a counter-arguement that is diametrically opposed to whatever the opinion was! LOL! Once again....BRAVO!

But seriously every time you share your thoughts I truly enjoy it! And on this thought I think your absolutely right!

Montreal is without question one of the top 10 ( if not top 5 ) EDM cities on the planet for various reasons and if there is any doubt simply ask any of the world class DJs that have experience in Montreal and they will tell you the same damn thing.

And I can tell you why it is so much better then pretty much anywhere in North America... because it's one of the most EUROPEAN thinking cities in North America!

And make no mistake, it isn't a coincidence that these two facts occur in the same city , because EDM and being "Euro-esque" go hand in hand much like Bee's are to honey.

There is really no comparison between the party scene in Toronto , Las Vegas , New York , Vancover , etc ,etc ,etc and Montreal. The energy, vibe , and atmosphere is one of a kind that none of these other cities have. Not to mention the depth and variety of EDM music that can be heard in MTL is second to none.

What makes it unique is that MTL is influenced by both US EDM and EURO EDM industries and when mixed with a very open minded and fun loving attitude that many people in Montreal have you get the results you see today.

In no way does that suggest that MTL is perfect or the best at all times. There are pros and cons and there are cities that can be stronger in some aspects. For example, Miami has the WMC / Ultra festival however that happens for one week then it's back to the status quo. Vegas and Toronto pull in big numbers in crowd turnout and have more eye candy ( light shows , decorations , live shows, etc ) but they truly do lack something when it comes to how free thinking and open minded the crowd is.

I will take a Montreal afterhours over a massive cheese/commercial party in Vegas/NYC/Miami any day of the week.

What I also agree with Martin is you need real exposure to the rest of the world to appreciate Montreal more. I realized this after coming back from both Spain and Vegas.

I think when you see a lame party in Montreal it's more to do with how overloaded the city is with nightlife then a reflection of the music , talent , etc. Many people who party in Montreal are spoiled anyway and don't appreciate or realize what it's like in other cities.

But when you have it so good to comes with the package sometimes. I say to anyone who is overly-critical of MTL to get out and travel around a little bit , THEN you will realize how good it really is!

At the moment you really only have a few places ( England , Germany , Argentina , Netherlands , Spain , Italy, Mexico ) that could compete with Montreal in terms of EDM quality. However what they all have in common is the "Euro" influence that Montreal shares with these other hot spots.

A "3 star" Montreal event would be a "5 star" pretty much anywhere else in Canada or the US.

Because at the end of the day it's the quality of the crowd that makes the party fun , not just the numbers. I think quality is more important then quantity. And on this measurement Montreal rules!

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Originally posted by JamesBrown Don't attack "fucking kids" with your prejudices, you fucking idiot.

Are you fucking retarded? I was one of those "fucking kids", how is that being prejudiced? Did you read my post at all? Or do you just like to argue online? Eat shit and die.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay The mystique of DJ culture is over. You can find almost any track using shazam, beatport and a whole bunch of stuff. You don't even have to learn any mixing skills to get hired anymore, creating an influx of absolutely horrible djs...and this does not extend to locals...some guys with huge booking fees are absolutely clueless behind the decks (traktor). Now underground is something that is sanitized, nicely packaged, and used as a marketing angle. Underground music is dead, it has been for a long time now. I'm going to catch flack for saying that, but the reality is that you can post any "underground" set, and within an hour i can have every track in it without leaving my house. If that is not accessibility, i don't know what is. Underground and accessibility aren't really good bed mates now are they? Back in the day there was this mystique in regards to this music. If you wanted to hear it, you had no choice but to go to the places that it was played at. Why go to an afterhours anymore? The kids can just go see a bar owner, tell them they are bringing 50 people for a party, and play music which resembles this sort of stuff with nothing more than a laptop, mouse, and a really shitty PA system. They know all of the big hits to play, because they have convenient top 10, top 100 lists to purchase it from. It is a sanitized exercise in mediocrity, so it is normal that it might not incite that aura of mystique as in previous generations. That mystique, the being part of something that was shunned and misunderstood by popular culture at the time, was a big reason for the success it had. i'm thankful i'm not as old as creator though, because depends are expensive

Another good point.

I used to think that the art of DJing got simplified when DJs stated used CDJs instead of vinyl, and used beatport to get their music instead of going out to the stores to buy records after hours of research.

In the last 4-5 it has changed so much yet again! Now many new DJs can't beatmatch to save their life and depend on software on their laptop to beatmatch , perform advanced DJing techniques , and using the "top 10" charts to decide their track selection for them.

The price we all pay for the advancements in technology and all these luxuries is that you open the door for many new DJs that lack the real passion for the music that was truly tested when you had to do all the hard work like the DJs in the past had to do.

And now we enter the generation of the "soul-less" DJ.

I also agree that the crowd has changed. With Soundcloud , iApps , podcasts , Internet radio , and all the other EDM websites music it is so accessible that people no longer need to make the effort to show up to the club and spend some money to hear the music they love.

Now you can pretty much download for free whatever you want to listen too and enjoy it at home,in the car, etc.

So now the "need" that used to exist years ago for people to goto the club and hear the DJ play music that could only be heard at that time is over.

What I have concluded is now people that go out now are going out for the PARTY! Not just to hear the music , because that can be done anywhere now.

So a top DJ has to do more then just play great music now, they have to deliver an amazing experience and a great party. This means a great DJ today needs to be able to bring people out for more reasons then just the music ( unless of course they are a brilliant producer , which is the only exception IMO ). And this forces DJs to add a new dimension to their talent that stretches beyond just the music if they want to be successful in clubs.

Some DJs achieve success because of charisma...some because of sex ( ex-Playboy Plamates for example )... some because they offer something special in the music nobody else is doing... whatever the reason in 2011 it takes something more...something special.

So in conclusion I think the changes we are experiencing are neither for the better or for the worse of the EDM scene.... it's simply a result of evolution that in nature must happen at some point. So in the end we all must make a choice: Evolve with it or be left behind.

First I would like to say great posts to the three of you. You all managed to sum up the state of the electronic scene here in Montreal and managed to give you're own very convincing theories to why it is the way it is.

I completely agree that Montreal is a city full of variety when it comes to electronic music and we truly are at the frontline of the scene. A lot of people might be shocked that I would write that concidering my posts here in the last few years. After a lot of anger and confusion I finally realized there was nothing wrong with Montreal. The scene evolved and I just don't like the way it evolved and thats why I'm not interested anymore. There is no more suprise for me anymore when I go out, been there, done that.

Its so true that underground is dead, it means nothing anymore. I have watched as people who used to want nothing to do with techno 8 years ago are now more ontop of the scene than me. Electronic music has literally exploded like the big bang and its expanding at the speed of light. I personally don't like the way things are now but in the long run it will be very profitable and it is guarenteed to sustain the scene for a very long time.

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Originally posted by corjay9 Are you fucking retarded? I was one of those "fucking kids", how is that being prejudiced? Did you read my post at all? Or do you just like to argue online? Eat shit and die.

Not the first time I've been asked if I'm fucking retarded, but no, I don't think I am.

Explain please: Is it true you think that taking pills and saying up until 10am is mature?

To answer your second question: your prejudice stems from your own sad experiences. There exist many kids far more mature than most supposed adults. (Though clearly, my understanding of the word "mature" is far different from yours.)

Yes, and Yes to your last two questions.

And I'm not hardly mature at all at times... so I understand! ;-)

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Originally posted by corjay9 the blog electro house scene is fucking huge in Montreal, I Love Neon are probably one of the biggest promoters in the city.. it's kinda house, but there's no song structure.. and it's loud and noisy and everyone's completely shit hammered. Dubstep and mash up hip hop electro, all that shit is so huge. The Deadmau5 stuff.. if you can target these kids into liking real house.. there's your replacements.

I don't really hate on EDM genres EVER, I try to be a respectful/very openminded person, but this one kills me. Electro/breakbeat/whatever the fuck that absolute garbage is, is the WORST SHIT TO EVER COME OUT OF A SPEAKER, as well as the kids in the scene. I unfortunately was "stuck" attending alot of this S.H.I.T. due to a close friend who got "sucked" in, and this crowd is TRASH. Mix of mcgill trust fund junkies/west coast junkies/junkies. don't get me wrong, i do my drugs (VERY responsibly nowadays , haven't popped my last 2((())) appearances... lol and actually outdanced/outlasted most of my cracky friends), but this trash took it to another level. i swear, if they invade the scene, i'm moving away. that music was HORRIFYING, and those people traumatizing. i got a lot of behind the scenes looks...

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Originally posted by WittyHandle The scene would be better off dying than incorporating those kids. The only similarity between the two is that fact that there's a DJ playing prerecorded music. I'm not knocking them, I'm sure they enjoy what they are into, but the two have nothing to do with each other.

I agree, I rather see it die, and get buried further underground than have them join.

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Originally posted by corjay9 the thing is, they're fucking kids. 17-19 years old fresh off their Metallica obsession.. listening to noisy dance music and getting super hammered. They'll grow up and out of it if you expose them to the techno/house scene in a few years. I dunno, when you guys were 18 were you popping pills and partying until 10am? Give them some time they'll mature.

um? not trying to be an ass here, but really?
I didn't start listening to house yesterday. I'm really young in the scene, although am confident enough to know what I'm talking about (I'm only 23....)
but back in the day, people started much younger.

my first afterhour attendance was when I was 17? (16?) first pill 18?
but I've been listening to house music (dance music?) for ever since I could remember (I guess the fact there was some DJs in the family influenced that...) it had nothing to do with any type or maturing!?


I wanted to quote almost everybody's posts after that (Martin's (sorry for first naming you. lol), Zyklon_jay's, DJ_LIFT), but then it would get rediculously long. lol I just agree with with so much that was said.

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Originally posted by corjay9 the blog electro house scene is fucking huge in Montreal, I Love Neon are probably one of the biggest promoters in the city.. it's kinda house, but there's no song structure.. and it's loud and noisy and everyone's completely shit hammered. Dubstep and mash up hip hop electro, all that shit is so huge. The Deadmau5 stuff.. if you can target these kids into liking real house.. there's your replacements.

I don't really hate on EDM genres EVER, I try to be a respectful/very openminded person, but this one kills me. Electro/breakbeat/whatever the fuck that absolute garbage is, is the WORST SHIT TO EVER COME OUT OF A SPEAKER, as well as the kids in the scene. I unfortunately was "stuck" attending alot of this S.H.I.T. due to a close friend who got "sucked" in, and this crowd is TRASH. Mix of mcgill trust fund junkies/west coast junkies/junkies. don't get me wrong, i do my drugs (VERY responsibly nowadays , haven't popped my last 2((())) appearances... lol and actually outdanced/outlasted most of my cracky friends), but this trash took it to another level. i swear, if they invade the scene, i'm moving away. that music was HORRIFYING, and those people traumatizing. i got a lot of behind the scenes looks...

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Originally posted by WittyHandle The scene would be better off dying than incorporating those kids. The only similarity between the two is that fact that there's a DJ playing prerecorded music. I'm not knocking them, I'm sure they enjoy what they are into, but the two have nothing to do with each other.

I agree, I rather see it die, and get buried further underground than have them join.

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Originally posted by corjay9 the thing is, they're fucking kids. 17-19 years old fresh off their Metallica obsession.. listening to noisy dance music and getting super hammered. They'll grow up and out of it if you expose them to the techno/house scene in a few years. I dunno, when you guys were 18 were you popping pills and partying until 10am? Give them some time they'll mature.

um? not trying to be an ass here, but really?
I didn't start listening to house yesterday. I'm really young in the scene, although am confident enough to know what I'm talking about (I'm only 23....)
but back in the day, people started much younger.

my first afterhour attendance was when I was 17? (16?) first pill 18?
but I've been listening to house music (dance music?) for ever since I could remember (I guess the fact there was some DJs in the family influenced that...) it had nothing to do with any type or maturing!?


I wanted to quote almost everybody's posts after that (Martin's (sorry for first naming you. lol), Zyklon_jay's, DJ_LIFT), but then it would get rediculously long. lol I just agree with with so much that was said.

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Originally posted by JamesBrown Not the first time I've been asked if I'm fucking retarded, but no, I don't think I am. Explain please: Is it true you think that taking pills and saying up until 10am is mature? To answer your second question: your prejudice stems from your own sad experiences. There exist many kids far more mature than most supposed adults. (Though clearly, my understanding of the word "mature" is far different from yours.) Yes, and Yes to your last two questions.

My point was more along the lines of, you're only 18.. you probably still live at home, you're fresh out of high school and you might/might not have a car.. after hours partying in general is for people who are a little older, not necessarily more mature. Of course, There will always be exceptions.

I'm not prejudice at all, if you read my post you'd understand that there's plenty of room for the electro noise kids to grow up and into house music because of the stylistic similarites to traditional house and techno. I used to go to these I Love Neon parties 4-5 years ago, I'm not shitting on these kids at all.

Besides the true classic stuff, do you still listen to the same music as when you were 18? Or are you 18 and thats why you're on my ass? Because I noticed that almost everyone who's truly passionate about music has grown out of stuff they used to love, it's only natural.

A lot of peaple got into dance music because of Tiesto and AVB and Ferry in the late 90s and early 00s. A lot of these people don't listen to trance at all anymore. It's only normal.. I'm not shitting on trance or any music, it's just something I've noticed.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay The saving grace is Piknik, at least on the musical side of things. That is the best shot to hook em while they are young. Hell, I am surprised an afterhour never approached them to start a partnership in where they can share some costs and the dj. You have the guy play an all ages show in the day, and an afterhours set at night. This kind of cross promotion would work wonders imo, the brand piknik has created is easily the strongest in this city since the 514 days....

It has been done...

We once shared James Holden with Iglofest:

James holden @ Dagobert TH
James Holden @ Igloofest FR
James Holden @ Circus FR
James Hodlen @ Toronto SAT

And they also shared a booking with Stereo recently

the point is piknic does not need to get into the afterhours politics to grow and actually wishes to stay away from this with reason...they do though share several bookings with the Platform crew in TO (Footwork).

I would add to your post that Piknic (and now Igloofest) is actually one of the strongest EDM brand in North America! DJs are begging to be booked here for those two events! It's fresh, outdoor, unique, and fckin fun!

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Originally posted by corjay9 My point was more along the lines of, you're only 18.. you probably still live at home, you're fresh out of high school and you might/might not have a car.. after hours partying in general is for people who are a little older, not necessarily more mature. Of course, There will always be exceptions. I'm not prejudice at all, if you read my post you'd understand that there's plenty of room for the electro noise kids to grow up and into house music because of the stylistic similarites to traditional house and techno. I used to go to these I Love Neon parties 4-5 years ago, I'm not shitting on these kids at all. Besides the true classic stuff, do you still listen to the same music as when you were 18? Or are you 18 and thats why you're on my ass? Because I noticed that almost everyone who's truly passionate about music has grown out of stuff they used to love, it's only natural. A lot of peaple got into dance music because of Tiesto and AVB and Ferry in the late 90s and early 00s. A lot of these people don't listen to trance at all anymore. It's only normal.. I'm not shitting on trance or any music, it's just something I've noticed.

Thanks for explaining.

And I do sometimes listen to the same stuffs as when I was 18, but that's because some of that stuffs boasts the highest possible production quality when compared to its contemporary pieces...
People listened to Trance a decade ago because it sounded good, much better than the House or Techno available at the time.
Now that high production quality is something that can be achieved at home, more genuinely underground sound have developed and so many sub-genres have stemmed off of those original, klassik sounds.
So... sure, maybe Trance is tired now, but it sure had a lot of influence... much of what's available today in the EDM stems from the early Trance explosion.
It's not just about tastes, but about technology and communications...

Off-topic, though. :-p

so it looks like we have four categories:

-indoor massives
-afterhours
-daytime outdoor events
-clubs

I'n probably missing something....

the massives are lacking a bit but I guess the numbers are there for BeB; Black and Blue is going through a change, so it remains to be seen what happens with that. Sensation and Resolution were a joke in 2010. You bring back the Bell Centre and that gives Montreal a boost right there.

the afterhours seem to be doing well in terms of bookings and numbers. Can't say much about the profit margins but the rebirth of Stereo has spurred on some bookings and options everywhere

Daytime events are vibrant: Beach Club, Piknic, Igloofest, all doing well.

Clubs are lacking a bit imo. Not the biggest fan of U.N., good crowd but the setup of that club is meh. I'd like to see another big club like Opera open up again, but with better management and bookings.

In any case, Montreal is in good shape, imo. While I would like to see more boat cruises (like Toronto and Van) Montreal is head and shoulders above any other Canadian city and has the vibe and variety you don't find easily elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht First I would like to say great posts to the three of you. You all managed to sum up the state of the electronic scene here in Montreal and managed to give you're own very convincing theories to why it is the way it is. I completely agree that Montreal is a city full of variety when it comes to electronic music and we truly are at the frontline of the scene. A lot of people might be shocked that I would write that concidering my posts here in the last few years. After a lot of anger and confusion I finally realized there was nothing wrong with Montreal. The scene evolved and I just don't like the way it evolved and thats why I'm not interested anymore. There is no more suprise for me anymore when I go out, been there, done that. Its so true that underground is dead, it means nothing anymore. I have watched as people who used to want nothing to do with techno 8 years ago are now more ontop of the scene than me. Electronic music has literally exploded like the big bang and its expanding at the speed of light. I personally don't like the way things are now but in the long run it will be very profitable and it is guarenteed to sustain the scene for a very long time.

I can really relate to what you said

The direction (mainstream) for me personally has really killed the excitiment, i remember in the early 00s going to aria and not knowing one face, now go to BEB and theres 213213462465 from Ottawa, ppl who have just started listening to EDM. The scene has grown not doubting that.

Maybe cause i've seen almost every DJ from Armin, Tiesto to Hernan, Digweed, and everyone inbetween, maybe its just im getting older (Hi Jay), maybe because of the decline of real quality music, but like Lift said if i do make a cameo appearance now to a gig its to party and be with friends... The excitiment is def not what it used to be.

For me, im really digging the outdoor events (piknic etc), my body does not like loosing sleeping anymore, plus like mentioned, the music is fresh

It is evolution, even tho Montreal IS a vibrant EDM city, its not what it was, even compared to the early 00s.

It has lost that mysterious flair that it had, due to all the reasons you guys mentioned before...the scene in general has become mainstream, maybe not 100%...but not that far off

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Originally posted by Passskal It has been done... We once shared James Holden with Iglofest: James holden @ Dagobert TH James Holden @ Igloofest FR James Holden @ Circus FR James Hodlen @ Toronto SAT And they also shared a booking with Stereo recently the point is piknic does not need to get into the afterhours politics to grow and actually wishes to stay away from this with reason...they do though share several bookings with the Platform crew in TO (Footwork). I would add to your post that Piknic (and now Igloofest) is actually one of the strongest EDM brand in North America! DJs are begging to be booked here for those two events! It's fresh, outdoor, unique, and fckin fun!

thanks for clearing that up Pascal. Sharing exorbitant fees is the way to go. I think in the next few years, pro DJs are going to get a kick in the teeth salary wise. Club owners are not going to keep paying them top dollar just to be "fresh" if it is unprofitable.

DJ Culture and the superstar DJ phase really set the bar too high. Travel costs from europe are going up every day. The golden goose is going to be dead soon.

All this stuff is not just happening in Montreal. Some of London's most famous clubs were run into the ground and people stopped going. We are talking about a city that absolutely dwarfs Montreal in terms of both population and interest in electronic music. People like to trumpet the Berlin scene, but gues what? If they don't promote nights properly there, people don't show either.

The art of promotion is dying too, too many people think that putting something on the internet is enough to get people to know what is going on. It really isn't and is lazy. If fran666 pops into this thread, I am sure he can attest to how much more effort was put into promotion in the past.

there's a new club called Marquee in Las Vegas that is booking all of those superstar djs like crazy. I don't see them sustaining that, though Vegas is a different kind of animal altogether.

But it will be nice when that superstar dj bubble bursts. Just don't know when it's gonna happen...

Vegas is vegas....a casino is a license to print money. They are not losing a dime even if no one shows up. These acts are just to get people into the casino, i'm sure management would actually prefer patrons not seeing the dj once they are in the door.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay If fran666 pops into this thread, I am sure he can attest to how much more effort was put into promotion in the past.

the job is way harder now...

not too many people doing it properly neither. i agree.

so no it's not minimum effort to get same results as before.

it's minimum effort that gets no results. as you said.

the old school promoting is still the way to go. only you can use new communication technologies to do so now and with the number of those, it gets crazy.

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Originally posted by 84th Ave. For me, im really digging the outdoor events (piknic etc), my body does not like loosing sleeping anymore, plus like mentioned, the music is fresh

+1

The only thing keeping me going is piknic and as long they keep doing them, ill be there.

Another reason why people might not show up to events is because there are just way to many quality ones every week. Thursday, friday, saturday and even Sundays you can find bad ass international dj's. Back in the day it was pretty much only Aria and Stereo. You didn't have to think about it, you already knew where you where going.

It doesn't hurt that you can party like a rockstar at piknik and still be in top shape for monday morning blues.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay Vegas is vegas....a casino is a license to print money. They are not losing a dime even if no one shows up. These acts are just to get people into the casino, i'm sure management would actually prefer patrons not seeing the dj once they are in the door.

people are also willing to pay tons at the BS (bottle service) mecca. I've been with guys who've dropped 6K easily down there as well.

Right now I only see two hotels regularly booking edm acts (The Cosmopolitan and Palms), and about three pools (Hard Rock, Cosmo and Venetian). But I heard they got LA's big massive, the politicians shut it down in LA.

Compared to rest of Canada the Quebec gov't is more liberal as well, though some would argue that it is getting more and more difficult to hold events because of politics.

Indeed, EDM is going through a more accessible mainstream shift. Lets hope it doesn't go the way of the Comiskey Field disco record fiasco

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay It doesn't hurt that you can party like a rockstar at piknik and still be in top shape for monday morning blues.

+100

daytime crackheadedness>nighttime crackheadedness

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