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SOCIALISTS!!!
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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker SOCIALISTS!!! |
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| Originally posted by cyclegoat Conservatives are leading in the polls. What does that mean? Either there is allot of rich people here in Canada (I doubt it) or people don't really see the bigger picture on where this is going and vote with their ideology (more likely). |
Layton slams Harper for talking gun control instead of job losses
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Layton slams Harper for talking gun control instead of job losses 2011/04/04 12:50:00 Richard J. Brennan National Affairs Writer NDP Leader Jack Layton slammed Conservative Leader Stephen Harper for talking about gun control in Niagara Region Monday while ignoring the massive job losses there. For the second time in as many elections, Harper went to the Welland area and paid no attention to the latest plant closure, instead concentrating on the NDP�s flip-flop on registering long guns. �Mr. Harper�s priorities are to (drive) wedges between people and he simply ignores the realities most working families are facing, which is they are worried about their job security,� Layton said during a stop in Toronto where he announced pension reform. In 2008 election, Harper arrived in Welland when it was just announced that the John Deere plant was moving to the U.S., throwing some 800 employees out of work. Harper announced a crackdown on flavoured cigarettes. On Monday during a stopover in nearby Wainfleet, Harper hammered away at gun control, knowing the NDP�s decision to reverse itself on registering long guns makes the party vulnerable in rural Ontario ridings. NDP MP Malcolm Allen now holds the riding of Welland. �It just shows the disconnect that [Harper] would go and talk about something like the registry on a community that is losing its lifeblood,� Layton told reporters. Welland�s Henniges Automotive or as it commonly referred to, General Tire, recently announced it was closing, forcing hundreds of employees to find other work, many of them after decades of service. �The middle class is being wiped out in Welland and his government is doing absolutely nothing about it � it just show you where his mixed priorities lie,� Layton said. The Bick�s canning plant in nearby Dunnville announced late last year that it was moving to the U.S. �Mr. Harper doesn�t seem to understand the daily reality of the people in the Welland area or southern Ontario, which is that they are worried about their jobs. And he is going into an area that has been devastated by job losses � and he says nothing about it, and worse, he does nothing about it,� Layton said. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer IDIOT!!! |
Re: Layton slams Harper for talking gun control instead of job losses
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| Originally posted by daves http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d-of-job-losses |
Plus how often do you hear about someone using a gun in this country to harm someone or to defend themselves? (Don't get me wrong I am for the gun registry, but it shouldn't take years to have it run properly.) Why not have a knife registry also, seeing some dude was nearly stabbed to death a few nights ago here in Montreal. If someone wants to get a gun they need to pass a psychological evaluation every year, to be allowed to own / operate a weapon. I read up on part of the gun law, even if you have a gun and you want to move it around. You must call law enforcement to tell them where you are bringing your weapon.
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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker Ouch!!! Thank you for not over-using your vocabulary today. I was worried you would strain your brain cell (to make it obvious for you - note the singular). |
Harper�s closed-door campaign marches woman out of rally in London
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Harper�s closed-door campaign marches woman out of rally in London Published On Tue Apr 05 2011 Allan Woods and Bruce Campion-Smith Ottawa Bureau VICTORIAVILLE, QUE.� Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has long been known for martial discipline, but his campaign may have crossed the line when someone frog-marched a young woman out of a rally in London, Ont., Sunday. The first-time voter�s crime, apparently, was to have posed for a picture with Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and posted it for all to see on her Facebook page. About half an hour before Harper arrived at the crowded hotel rally, one organizer asked to speak with Awish Aslam and a friend outside the room. There, he ripped up their nametags and ordered them to leave. �We know you guys have ties to the Liberal party through Facebook,� the University of Western Ontario student told the London Free Press. �You are no longer welcome here.� The Tories say the incident was a mistake, though Harper himself offered no apology when asked about it Tuesday. �The staff runs our campaigns and I can�t comment on individual matters like that,� Harper said. Yet it is becoming a pattern. Last Thursday an advocate for homeless veterans was turned away when he attempted to attend a campaign event where Harper was speaking in Halifax. This, after several unsuccessful attempts by Jim Lowther to contact the Tory leader about the plight of once-proud Canadian soldiers now living on the streets. Lowther later joined both Ignatieff and NDP Leader Jack Layton on campaign podiums as they announced their promises to provide better benefits to vets. The incidents highlight the different campaign styles, particularly of the Tory and Grit leaders. Harper�s morning announcements are held at secure locations with adoring local partisans. To attend his evening rallies, people must pre-register with the local candidate�s campaign headquarters. As Aslam�s experience proves, those names are investigated to ensure opposition trickery does not obscure Harper�s message of stability and security for the nation. �I just think when you get to a situation where people can�t come to a public meeting in Canada . . . because they have a Facebook friend from another party, you�re in a bad place,� Ignatieff said Tuesday. �You�re in a very bad place, you�re in a very un-Canadian place.� In part because he needs to win over voters from other parties, the Liberal leader has made a virtue of opening his campaign events to the public. He has frequently ventured into the streets to shake hands with supporters and critics alike. So far, he does not appear to have suffered for it. Ignatieff said that a rally Monday night in St. John�s was attended by Progressive Conservatives disillusioned with Harper and NDP voters who may vote strategically to keep the Tories out of power. �There are a lot of people coming to look at us, check us out. That�s what a democratic debate is all about,� he said. That clearly does not faze Harper. �I�m meeting hundreds of people inside and outside of events. I think the campaign is going well,� he said. �I think we get more people coming to our events . . . than all the other parties combined.� |
When I think of Democracy Stephen Harper is the name that comes to mind.. 
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer You want to talk about vocabulary? Funny coming from The guy that only posts "socialists" once in a while on threads.. I can tell that you must be frustrated though seeing how your party's corruptions and lies are being exposed to Canadians. You go ahead and call the rest of the country socialists; we are getting our country back so you might want to start packing your bags and say goodbye to Harper and his clowns for good. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Corruption, you say? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal |
edit what's sadder is the hipster-Liberals who think that voting in the Liberals will magically solve all of Canada's problems, because only Harper and those old Liberals from back in the day are corrupt. These new-age Liberals are all about the well being of every warm blooded Canadian, and the state of Canada as a whole.
Oh, and conservatives bring that up because billions were stolen but every liberal turned, and turns a blind eye to it. Because when a Liberal steals, it's OK. What has Harper done that's even remotely close to this? G20 Summit?
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer I can tell that you must be frustrated though seeing how your party's ... |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH edit what's sadder is the hipster-Liberals who think that voting in the Liberals will magically solve all of Canada's problems, because only Harper and those old Liberals from back in the day are corrupt. These new-age Liberals are all about the well being of every warm blooded Canadian, and the state of Canada as a whole. Oh, and conservatives bring that up because billions were stolen but every liberal turned, and turns a blind eye to it. Because when a Liberal steals, it's OK. What has Harper done that's even remotely close to this? G20 Summit? |
I dunno man...everyone was crying wolf prior to Harpers first tenure and the country hasn't fallen apart. Friends were freaking out at me saying shit like "well I hope you're happy when Canada gets attacked by TERRORISTS!!!"
I'd almost want a majority just to see what would happen.
And for the record, something about Harper just rubs me the wrong way (maybe its that fake smile of his), but Iggy isn't better. He's always got that sinister smirk on his face.
I think I'm gonna vote Green this time around, but that's purely speculative since I'm not familiar with what each party is bringing to the table.
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Oh, and conservatives bring that up because billions were stolen but every liberal turned, and turns a blind eye to it. Because when a Liberal steals, it's OK. What has Harper done that's even remotely close to this? G20 Summit? |
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| Originally posted by ChemEnhanced For this election my vote is more about preventing a Harper Majority then it is about electing a liberal leader. Heck, I would vote for the communist party of canada if I thought it would help prevent harper getting a majority. |
Re: Harper�s closed-door campaign marches woman out of rally in London
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| Originally posted by daves http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/.../article/969309 |
Speaking of those fighter jets:
http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...ub=EdmontonHome
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U.S. expert says jets will cost double Tory estimates OTTAWA � A U.S. defence analyst says Canada's new fleet of stealth jet fighters will cost almost double what the Conservative government is projecting. Winslow Wheeler, of the Centre for Defense Information in Washington, injected himself directly into the federal election by providing his estimate at a news conference on Parliament Hill. Wheeler says the unit cost of the F-35 jet will be about $148 million per airplane -- an estimate that is in line with what the parliamentary budget officer has projected. The government says the unit cost will be up to $75 million per jet, and has mounted repeated public attacks on the budget officer's estimate. The untendered jet purchase is a contentious issue during the federal election campaign. The Liberals want to scrap the deal, saying it's not the way to go while the country is in deficit. Wheeler worked for three decades on security issues for the U.S. General Accounting Office and members of the U.S. Senate. He said the government's estimates refer to what is known as the unit recurring flyaway cost, or URF. He said the URF is not used in Washington because it doesn't include essential things needed to actually fly an aircraft. It is not clear that Canada would get an F-35 with an actual engine at the cost the government is projecting, he said. "It is therefore, I believe, very reasonable to expect that the parliamentary budget officer's higher estimate of $148 million per airplane -- if and when you get around to buying these things -- is by far and away the most accurate estimate. It's a complete airplane," Wheeler said. "Nobody on this earth is going to be buying F-35s in flyable condition at $75 million a copy. That's not in the cards." Wheeler said there should be a public audit of Canada's decision to buy the fighter jets, and he suggested the auditor general would be best placed to conduct it. The government plans to buy the 65 high-tech fighters to replace Canada's aging fleet of CF-18 jets. The government estimates the overall cost to taxpayers would be about $15 billion over 20 years, including maintenance costs. That estimate is based on a unit price of $75 million per plane. On the campaign trail, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has argued that the stealth fighter jets are a big-budget Tory spending priority, along with corporate tax cuts and prison expansion, that would constrain future spending on health care. However, the Harper government has mounted a vocal defence of its cost estimates for the F-35, saying it would create billions in industrial spin-offs for Canadian aerospace companies. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Corruption, you say? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_scandal |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Speaking of those fighter jets: http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...ub=EdmontonHome Nothing to see here guys.. Just that the price tag is going higher and higher... |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer When I think of Democracy Stephen Harper is the name that comes to mind.. |
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| Originally posted by Spam So you're voting for Duceppe, or Layton? Because Ignatieff wasn't even elected as leader of his own party. |
short version, on the topic of money...
- HUGE debate on the true cost of the jets. regardless, it's likely to be FAR higher than the CPC is claiming�potentially in the billions of dollars, which alone could outdo any previous scandal.
- crime bills (costs which the CPC won't even disclose...because they are huge)
- G8/G20 mess.
- 2 million dollar media centre to replace the national press gallery (so Harper can be a control freak)
- in-and-out scandal
that's just off the top of my head at this hour, lol.
the CPC is like EVERY other gov't that takes power�full of shit, hiding things, spending and/or wasting money and covering it up or spinning it.
At least everyone could skip the comparisons to previous administrations because it's long past the time when this gov't should be evaluated on its own merits. this constant pointing backward is nothing more than a lame smokescreen...
previous scandals do not give this gov't carte blanche to do as it pleases, piss away our money and lie about it or hide the true costs. this gov't was found IN CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT for a reason, yet the CPC and many of its supports are passing that off merely as partisan bickering? the arrogance and contempt for Canadians in adopting that position is just disgusting and reason enough for Harper to go...
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| Originally posted by MarkT the CPC is like EVERY other gov't that takes power�full of shit, hiding things, spending and/or wasting money and covering it up or spinning it. At least everyone could skip the comparisons to previous administrations because it's long past the time when this gov't should be evaluated on its own merits. this constant pointing backward is nothing more than a lame smokescreen... previous scandals do not give this gov't carte blanche to do as it pleases, piss away our money and lie about it or hide the true costs. this gov't was found IN CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT for a reason, yet the CPC and many of its supports are passing that off merely as partisan bickering? the arrogance and contempt for Canadians in adopting that position is just disgusting and reason enough for Harper to go... |
Harper willing to increase the amount you can put into the TFSA, instead of $5000 it will become $10000.
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