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-- Lira's April's Fools' Thread: Because you sort of can't spell April without Lira.
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| Originally posted by Lira First post edited  I guess I could've had more success if I said I converted to scientology, but I was afraid it wouldn't be convincing  |
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| Originally posted by EgosXII hahaha epic troll, good work. although its the second of april, so you broke the fucking rules. you know what that means, it is, in fact YOU who are the fool. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Its still April 1 here... Also how is this a troll thread when Lira is making good points... |
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| Originally posted by EgosXII he wasn't being srs tho, he was making bigotted statements |
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| Originally posted by EgosXII he wasn't being srs tho, he was making bigotted statements |
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit it's hilarious because any anti "jew" comment that is made you flip out and have a childish hissy fit. You do realise judaism is a religion right? And as for sandnigger; don't you think that equates to teh general diaspora of the middle east including israel? Use your head if you have one. You shit out of your mouth and talk out of your ass. Redundant idiot. |
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| What is a Jew? A member of a religion, a culture, a nation � or all three? That was the old and perhaps unanswerable question faced last week by the Israeli Supreme Court. Understandably, the court preferred to sidestep the issue rather than try to give a firm answer, but the case that raised the problem did so in a particularly interesting way. The petitioner before the judges was Benjamin Shalit, 33, a psychologist and a lieutenant commander in Israel's navy; the respondent was the Minister of the Interior. Israeli law requires all parents to register their newborn children by religion and nationality. Though a sabra (native-born Israeli), Shalit is a professed atheist, and after the birth of his children�Oren, now four, and Galia, 20 months �he tried to register them as Jews by nationality but nonbelievers by religion. Each time the Interior Ministry refused to permit distinction between Jewish faith and Jewish nationality. The Ministry's reasoning was based on Halakha (religious law), which says that to be considered a Jew, a person must be born of a Jewish mother or be a convert to the faith. Shalit's wife Anne is a Scottish gentile who immigrated to Israel in 1960. Like her husband, she is an atheist, and she was never converted to Judaism. Cultural Factors. Shalit argues that the Interior Ministry had no right to use religious standards in judging the secular issue of nationality. He also maintains that as a nonbeliever he cannot be forced to adhere to a decision grounded on religious law. "It is not faith that unites us as a nation," he insists. "Too many people do not practice religion for that. The cultural and sociological factors are the ones that determine who is a Jew, not the memory of a primitive religion. My children were born in Israel, speak Hebrew, live in a Hebrew culture, will go to Hebrew schools. They know nothing else. How can the Interior Minister say they are not Jews?" One precedent for his case, says Shalit, was the court's decision regarding Father Daniel (TIME, Dec. 14, 1962), a Carmelite friar who sought admission to Israel under the Law of Return, which grants automatic citizenship to any Jew who wants to live in the country. A convert to Roman Catholicism, Father Daniel was born of a Jewish mother. In his case, the court ruled that Halakha did not apply and that on the basis of secular law and the common-sense opinions of men he would no longer be regarded as a Jew. If the court agreed with Shalit, it would in fact rule that culture rather than religion is at the core of Israel's Jewishness. While many Israelis accept Shalit's arguments, a formal cleavage between religion and state would doubtless destroy the coalition of secular and Orthodox Jews that has governed Israel since 1948. When the Cabinet of former Premier David Ben-Gurion attempted to accept Jews simply by their own affirmation in 1958, the resulting controversy nearly destroyed his government. Already one of the leaders of Israel's National Religious Party has warned that any decision in the case that violates Halakha will bring about the party's resignation from the Cabinet. "Shalit's theory would create an iron gate between Jews inside Israel and those outside," argues Israel Ben-Meir, the Deputy Interior Minister. "It is based on the geographic factor�that being in Israel would determine who is a Jew." His Own Advocate. Because of its political and religious implications, the Shalit case was heard by nine of the ten justices of the Israeli Supreme Court �the most ever to join in on one decision. Israel's Attorney General argued for the Interior Minister, Shalit served as his own advocate. "Here I am, a little fellow, fighting against the heaviest odds," said Shalit before the case. "But if I win, a Jew will be a Jew by virtue of his own identification with the Jewish people, and not by virtue of Halakha alone." But after hearing the opposing arguments, the court proposed a compromise that would leave no one a winner. The judges suggested that the Attorney General simply ask the government to abolish nationality as a category of birth registration. Although this would appear to be a simple and logical solution, few Israeli political observers expect that the Knesset will agree to drop the disputed requirement. If it does not, the riddle will once again return to the Supreme Court for a final decision on who is a Jew. |
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| Originally posted by aNYthing STFU much, you inbred neanderthal? And no, it doesn't include Israeli diaspora, as when one refers to a "sandnigger", no one in their right mind would think to include Jew as a part of that, as hard as they try, you fucking twat. Go blow your arab and nazi boyfriends, twinkbitch |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Even people I really like, people that I find intelligent, if they are religious it plants seeds of doubt in my mind to how intelligent they actually are. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Calling religion stupid is not bigotry, its truthful and sincere. Religion is stupid. Even people I really like, people that I find intelligent, if they are religious it plants seeds of doubt in my mind to how intelligent they actually are. Also, I realized it was April Fools Day, and even so I figured joke or not, it was a legitimate argument. |
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| Originally posted by Desiderata I didn't catch it. Derp! I felt for the kid and his friend telling him it was deserved. I imagined it was his bible thumper friend that is his best friend in school. Someone give me a towel so I can wipe this egg of my face. |
The first thing i though of when i read this yesterday was "This better not be an april fools joke"
Trolling potential aside though, his post was a prime example of "Strawman has a point"
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| Originally posted by aNYthing STFU much, you inbred neanderthal? And no, it doesn't include Israeli diaspora, as when one refers to a "sandnigger", no one in their right mind would think to include Jew as a part of that, as hard as they try, you fucking twat. Go blow your arab and nazi boyfriends, twinkbitch |
I knew you didn't have it in you, Lira.
lamest april fools ever. and you just lost a huge deal of points for still being a retar.. religious person....
SOooooo as i see it
Cor 1 - Lira 0
Nice going douche!
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| Originally posted by dj_alfi lamest april fools ever. and you just lost a huge deal of points for still being a retar.. religious person.... |
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Lira is an atheist. |
Except if you defend gay rights youre defending beautiful things like hot lesbians. Religion has nothing as awesome to offer as hot lesbians (in fact religion is against hot lesbians) so if it comes down to religion or hot lesbians...lesbians. Always.
With that in mind, think about which side of this you really want to be on.
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit You don't even know what you are lol and yet you come in here and ramble on with your nonsensical biggotry. Just because your pecker is tiny and overcircumsized doesn't mean you're part of an exclusive inbred group you like to call "Israeli diaspora". The only way you could become more jewish is if i shoved my dick up your ass and came in it a couple of times; you are a worthless excuse for a jew. You do realize that there are black jews, polish jews, arab jews, chinese jews and so forth. How the hell does that happen you might ask? I'll let the deficient tumor growing inside your skull answer that question. But hey i'm nice, I'll make another group up too just to make you happy, "anything jews" who barley escaped the gas chamber and passed on their exposure to have retarded offspring, such as yourself. Does that satisfy your diaspora theory nicely? Much obliged. If hitler were alive to day, im sure the entire middle eastern diaspora (which includes israel) would love to see a degenerate inbred slug like you get the gas chamber. Who knows, it could probably do wonders for your tiny pecker, just remember to thank me on your way out. |
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| Originally posted by aNYthing Aaiiit, you just got yourself eminem treatment. Yo, Dj, Spin dat shit! Aiit aait check it... Yap yap yappity You barking up the wrong tree, Copy me? You listenin, yo unimaginitive prick, You hearin me? If you was standin next to me You'd feel my tyrany You little juicy juce, I shoulda bust a cap in yo ass, Cut you loose! Instead, I let you live so you can entertain me And this is how you bitch repay me? Shiiit, girl, go on Put on yo pritty little wig And tie it with bandana, You are too cute and hotter than yo momma Altho, that there ain't sayin shit I shoulda fucked YOU, But I'm not a pig Now, geting back to whore you call yo momma I am your father. That's true dramma I still recall her stenchy, musky poony That shit was nasty, wrinkly, pruny I only fucked her coz she paid to do me, I didn't mean to get bitch pregnant, When all she wanted was to eat my smegma And all the while she's fuckin Complainin bout your papa gloryhollin truckers. But this ain't only bout yo momma Its about you being queen of dramma "Oh, those poor arabs, jews are slappin dem Instead of sucking arab dick and thanking them! Boo whoo, oh noes this yid He done accused me bout being scrawny shit And looking like a juiced up mouse Made fun of me bench pressing 'my first doll house'"! I dare you and your nazi dog to meet me So I can school you in some manners, dickshits I bet you, hobbit looking monkeys, I'd knock you out faster than you'd be screaming "uncle" Whatever,bitch you bore me, "Oh, gas you this, and gas you that" Is this the only barb you got? That sound you hear is my "fuck you" snore In parting: Kiss my ass, I'll add you to "ignore" *slams mic* |
There's a difference between tolerating someone's right to hold religious opinions vs tolerating the opinions themselves. We tolerate the right of people to be holocaust deniers but we don't tolerate the belief itself. If someone starts spouting that stupidity in public, they deserve ridicule. They deserve to pay a price for clinging to a nonsensical belief for stupid (or nonexistent) reasons. If someone says that they are against gay rights or against the teaching of evolution in biology classes because their magic book said so, they should pay an immediate price for it in terms of "conversational pressure" as Sam Harris puts it. That might mean being a little confrontational from time to time with superstitious folks, or even laughing at their ideas publicly without apologizing for it. If they can't defend their ideas on rational grounds, they'll just have to suck it up and deal with it. Respect their rights to believe whatever they want..yes. Respect the ideas themselves, hell no.
Is there really such a big difference between "respecting a person" and "respecting a person's ideas?" Most people consider at least some of their ideas to be part of their identity, so if you mock their ideas, then you are also mocking them as individuals.
In practice Harris's point basically comes down to "Laugh at them, but don't hit them."
what a nasty nasty thread.
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles In practice Harris's point basically comes down to "Laugh at them, but don't hit them." |
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit You don't even know what you are lol and yet you come in here and ramble on with your nonsensical biggotry. Just because your pecker is tiny and overcircumsized doesn't mean you're part of an exclusive inbred group you like to call "Israeli diaspora". The only way you could become more jewish is if i shoved my dick up your ass and came in it a couple of times; you are a worthless excuse for a jew. You do realize that there are black jews, polish jews, arab jews, chinese jews and so forth. How the hell does that happen you might ask? I'll let the deficient tumor growing inside your skull answer that question. But hey i'm nice, I'll make another group up too just to make you happy, "anything jews" who barley escaped the gas chamber and passed on their exposure to have retarded offspring, such as yourself. Does that satisfy your diaspora theory nicely? Much obliged. If hitler were alive to day, im sure the entire middle eastern diaspora (which includes israel) would love to see a degenerate inbred slug like you get the gas chamber. Who knows, it could probably do wonders for your tiny pecker, just remember to thank me on your way out. |
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| Originally posted by EddieZilker All aNYthing needs is a small-town, pit-bulls, meth-mouth and a chemical odor within a fifty meter radius of his mobile home and his conversion to white-trash will be complete. That bit where you try to frame it as something other than posturing cowardice, telling the DJ to 'spin dat shit' really nails it for me. |
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Most people consider at least some of their ideas to be part of their identity, so if you mock their ideas, then you are also mocking them as individuals. |
That sneaky Lira, however will we be able to trust him again knowing that he's incapable of simple, irrational human hatred and blind bigotry!
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