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Originally posted by Lira Real or not, Jesus is clearly a stud: millions of people in history either got or still get on their knees nearly every week, have a little something to drink and then wait for that exhilarating moment when they wait to fell him in their mouths Not even Genghis Khan pulled that one in his lifetime... or afterwards!

LmaO. -smh-

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Originally posted by Alex Oh, if I recall correctly there are laws about religious freedom. Does a Jewish person just have to "grow up" when their elementary school is vandalized by bigots?

I think in the scheme of the Jewish Religion(atlease in America) a Jewish person grows up/becomes a man at his Barmitspha (sorry forgot the spelling) I'm not to sure about Jerusalem. See the city of Jerusalem is named that because for the most part the Jews over there live relatively peaceful with the Muslims. Thus, the name of the city. I'm sure you knew this.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 If there's nothing wrong with hating religion than there's nothing wrong with religious people hating you.

I was going to post something similar but you hit the nail on the Cross with that one.

I actually was kicked out of Lutheran Bible study at age 7 or so because the first week I asked so many questions about who created God and I told teachers that there wasn't a God because there was no way he always existed...etc.. They told my Grandma that I was making no progtress and I was disruptive to the class.

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Originally posted by djshan Yes, if its a choice, anyone can insult it. The one being insulted should ignore it, not set bombs becuase "someone" drew cartoons of muhamed...

So true...

A lot of people find a lot of things offensive! Lol... That doesn't mean shit.

I laugh at people being offended. For real. There is NO REASON for people to be offended for someone uttering their opinion. If so, then I would be offended for A LOT of things! I'm not offended when Young Earth Creationists say that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, even though that goes against everything in science. I make fun of them because it seems as if they don't realize how full of shit they are.

So they are allowed to "attack" established science, but when I "attack" their view and they get all offended I'm supposed to stfu? Lol, I'm sorry, but that's not how it works.

The fact that people actually get offended is what makes the whole thing so funny. I think it was Confucius that said: "The ignorant gets angry, the wise understands." When people are criticized and they don't understand anything, they get offended and often angry. Maybe if they sit back and take a chill pill they might understand what it's all about, why the opponent is saying what he or she is saying and either agree to disagree or change one's opinion.

The "offensive card" is the worst cop-out in history and shouldn't be encouraged.

Some examples

I'm sure this would be offensive to a lot of obese people. It's still funny as hell! I respect the obese people laughing with me at this, but sigh at people getting offended by it.

If someone made a demotivator about epilepsy (I have) that wouldn't offend me at all. If it's a good and funny demotivator, I would laugh no matter the topic in question. Offensive humor is the best and I know A LOT of people agree with me on this one.

And an example of how ridiculous the whole "offensive card" is:

It's so fucking subjective and frankly; it's stupid.

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Originally posted by Dervish to ignore the fact that religion has pretty much defined the moral and value system we live under is pretty crazy.

"defined" (or codified) doesn't mean "created". religious values are nothing more than the manifestation of cultural norms at the time (asides from extra special stupid rulesets arguably invented by religion itself). these "moral value systems" existed well before superstition and would have continued just the same with or without religion's influence.

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Originally posted by Lira +1. He has every right to criticise any idea in the world, should he find a flaw with it. However, insulting religion for the sake of it is as mature as flipping your finger to random people on the street.

you're such a fucking hippy.

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Originally posted by Arbiter a deceased pedophile

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my only problem with pat is that he's more vitriolic and less funny than he was in the old days. i even wrote him an email about that haha. never heard back. cunt.

Pat is a funny guy, and I agree with a lot of what he says.

I just don't think religion is rammed down the west's throat like it used to be.

I also don't believe in aggressive evangelism. Telling people they are going to hell if they don't convert and other bull shit like that is wrong.

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Originally posted by mr.bison So true... A lot of people find a lot of things offensive! Lol... That doesn't mean shit. I laugh at people being offended. For real. There is NO REASON for people to be offended for someone uttering their opinion. If so, then I would be offended for A LOT of things! I'm not offended when Young Earth Creationists say that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, even though that goes against everything in science. I make fun of them because it seems as if they don't realize how full of shit they are. So they are allowed to "attack" established science, but when I "attack" their view and they get all offended I'm supposed to stfu? Lol, I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. The fact that people actually get offended is what makes the whole thing so funny. I think it was Confucius that said: "The ignorant gets angry, the wise understands." When people are criticized and they don't understand anything, they get offended and often angry. Maybe if they sit back and take a chill pill they might understand what it's all about, why the opponent is saying what he or she is saying and either agree to disagree or change one's opinion. The "offensive card" is the worst cop-out in history and shouldn't be encouraged. Some examples I'm sure this would be offensive to a lot of obese people. It's still funny as hell! I respect the obese people laughing with me at this, but sigh at people getting offended by it. If someone made a demotivator about epilepsy (I have) that wouldn't offend me at all. If it's a good and funny demotivator, I would laugh no matter the topic in question. Offensive humor is the best and I know A LOT of people agree with me on this one. And an example of how ridiculous the whole "offensive card" is: It's so fucking subjective and frankly; it's stupid.

I don't see Religious extermist as being full of shit, I see them as miss-guided. You have to understand that these people are a product of their environment. Taught by their parents or populace and culture. Some don't want to see the facts or quickly dismiss them due to these reasons. If they truly become offended then they are weak or if they try to argue with you.
The one thing I can't stand is when they quickly draw a big fat line in the sand by saying you're going to hell. That is wishing some kind of metaphorical hate towards us Atheist.

I thing we can co-exist on this planet as what I like to call mutal understanding! I don't deal with Religious extremist on a daily basis.
The people that are Family and some friends that believe in God have very interestingt views that sway away from the conviental way.

As I said before, Religion is no longer black and white(atleast amongst the people I know... They are modifying their beliefs to there own personal perception, as these are the people I enjoy their company because Religon doesn't come up very often as we figured out how to get along. So my friends and I are beyond this discussion. They respect me as well. Case closed amongst my real friends. Now, I'm not gay but that Church that goes to funerals to protest and say harsh words about the death of gay Soldiers... If I could bitch slam them with words then a hand to the face and get away with it, you please believe I would love to do so.

define "extremist" though. obviously someone that straps bombs to their chest, but what about someone that works to change/uphold legislation to restrict a woman's right to choose? or what about those that restrict trading hours on 'holy' days? those that spread false and misleading nonsense about scientific facts?

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions Why do religious people always make the best architecture? Seriously wondered that for a long time...

JBJ, this is purely for the sake of saying "I have money , look at me". even the tour guide said, "there's no real significant religious meaning behind a lot of this stuff, it's just what the Sheik wanted"

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Originally posted by Dervish the fact that religion has pretty much defined the moral and value system we live under

this is what every ignorant christian belives and understands to mean that without religion human kind would be ruthless barbarians with no morals

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN define "extremist" though. obviously someone that straps bombs to their chest, but what about someone that works to change/uphold legislation to restrict a woman's right to choose? or what about those that restrict trading hours on 'holy' days? those that spread false and misleading nonsense about scientific facts?

When I said extremist, I was speaking of American Religious extremist.
The other thing I said is not all Middle Eastern Countries have self-exploding Terrorists. Like Indonesia.

I believe India has women rights and I'm fairly sure they don't need to wear veils unless they choose to. A lot of those woman are very traditiinal but I have seen them walking around withoyt them.

From what I understand that even though Iraq was ran by an iron fist the women didn't have to wear veils either under Saddam. I believe they also had some sort of civu
-rights.

Now after we invaded and Iraqs Government has now limited all that.
I'm not sure if Indonesia follows the guide lines of India or not.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions Why do religious people always make the best architecture? Seriously wondered that for a long time...

they don't.


wealthy and powerful people make the best architecture.

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Originally posted by nefardec they don't. wealthy and powerful people make the best architecture.

Are you reffering to independant wealthy people that make those complex and interesting that they live in or are you reffering that wealthy people design those beautiful religious buildings?

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Originally posted by Lira +1. He has every right to criticise any idea in the world, should he find a flaw with it. However, insulting religion for the sake of it is as mature as flipping your finger to random people on the street.

So you have no right to be immature?

He is talking specifically about a right. And then of course he explains that he gives religion the same respect as it gives him, so in reality it corresponds to him giving the finger to someone on the street who has given him the finger first - but that is actually irrelevant. He's surely has the right, dosen't he?

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Originally posted by Znack So you have no right to be immature? He is talking specifically about a right. And then of course he explains that he gives religion the same respect as it gives him, so in reality it corresponds to him giving the finger to someone on the street who has given him the finger first - but that is actually irrelevant. He's surely has the right, dosen't he?

Lira can answer this better but who gave the finger to him first and secondly if someone gives you the finger first, I don't see why waste one second paying attention to it and Liras statement was that going down the street giving people the finger was a metaphor for immaturity. We are on a forum and I didn't see and fingers being thrown?

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Originally posted by Znack . He's surely has the right, dosen't he?

There are some locations in the world, that people do not have this right (I'm referring to freedom of speech....i.e. the freedom to disagree with what other people are saying)

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Originally posted by nefardec they don't. wealthy and powerful people make the best architecture.

Well, yeah, nobody is going to make great architecture without a good amount of cash.

I'm saying that given the large amounts of wealth and power on both sides (religious and non), I still (usually) find religiously inspired architecture more beautiful.

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Originally posted by Desiderata Sarcastic? I am an Atheists but my mom works at a Church and I do not see the point of these discussions. I've met a lot of interesting Religious people. Things are not always so black and white with Religion. For example people are fiddling with their perceptions more so than in the past. For example, I know a Christian that believes Intelligent Design is impossible. He feels Darwinism and God go hand in hand. Who is to say that what he believes is not Christianity? He grew up that way and modified. And when someone believes something whole-heartedly they are interesting to me in terms of Religion goes, as long as they don't infringe on my beliefs in this matter.

�I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.� - Gandhi

this is a legendary quote that I absolutely agree with.

so let's drink a cup of tea together. my words and deeds towards you will reflect those of Christ.

did we get chicago bear spam in a regular thread?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mattinsanity
�I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.� - Gandhi

this is a legendary quote that I absolutely agree with.

so let's drink a cup of tea together. my words and deeds towards you will reflect those of Christ. [/QUOTE

Ummm, I CLEARLY stated that I was an Atheist!

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Originally posted by tubularbills did we get chicago bear spam in a regular thread?

You know Tbils, I frequently have this earge to buy Chicago Bear merchandise when discussing Religion. I guess since I born in Springfield, Ill.

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Originally posted by Desiderata You know Tbils, I frequently have this earge to buy Chicago Bear merchandise when discussing Religion. I guess since I born in Springfield, Ill.

the Bears do play on Sunday, after all.

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Originally posted by Alex Pat is a funny guy, and I agree with a lot of what he says. I just don't think religion is rammed down the west's throat like it used to be. I also don't believe in aggressive evangelism. Telling people they are going to hell if they don't convert and other bull shit like that is wrong.

This.

He also picks stupid arguments. Some of his arguments are like trying to argue that he has better sight than a blind person. (Free thinking vs. religious zealots) There are religious people who accept the free world, evolution, science and all that goes with it, and it is perfectly possible to combine the two.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions Well, yeah, nobody is going to make great architecture without a good amount of cash. I'm saying that given the large amounts of wealth and power on both sides (religious and non), I still (usually) find religiously inspired architecture more beautiful.

Well it's definitely usually poetic, if that's what you mean, and typically grander.

Beauty is subjective, though. The beauty in religious architecture generally very didactic.

But even if you are someone who prefers classical and traditional architecture, which was dominated politically by religion and the enormous amounts of money they had to throw at architectural progress to create these heavenly monuments to earthly power (too bad they meant it to be reversed), you can't deny that there are a ton of beautiful secular works of architecture from the same times and cultures. Typically palaces, but even every day structures.

Villa Adriana - this was a dining room at the end of a huge reflecting pool, where you would eat on cushions surrounded by waterfalls under a hemispherical indoor/outdoor dome

Jantar Mantar

This well (Chand Baori) in India

Versailles

Alhambra

Villa d'Este

Neuschwanstein Castle

and so many more

My argument is that architecture is a tool of the power (and financial) establishment to express dominion in a physical form and use arresting poetics of space to express what amounts to an architectural variation of divine right to power. Since in most of history religions were the power and financial establishment, you see this reflected in the fact that the most beautiful and inspiring architecture was religious in use.

We're still building cathedrals today. But they are cathedrals of commerce. Cathedrals of communism. Cathedrals of industry. Cathedrals of concept.

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