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Posted by Nadi on Aug-19-2002 23:00:

Im having trouble understanding a few things you guys are saying. I can understand if you don't like hip-hop. However I don't understand how people can say they wish he would get shot and it would be the happiest day of there life. Thats just pathetic, its also almost as pathetic how angry you guys make because he made a joke about Moby, and how people can call him a sellout when the stuff he raps about isn't rapped about by any other artist. Lastly he does have some cheesy singles, but so does any artist who wants to make some cash, if it doesnt see tv or radio play he looses most of his sales right there because no one is exposed to it, I'm hard pressed to find any major band or artist who's sold many records who hasnt done some extremly comercial shit.

Posted by Spyder on Aug-19-2002 23:38:

I actualy enjoy his muzik.. he is the one and only rapper i will listen too i dont know why.. but it's somthing that he does that makes me wwant to listen to his muzik.. it's either the crazyness the stupidity or the actual truth.. but he's got somthing i like.. and no it's not cuz he's white.. that i like him..

when he sings his songs i actualy can understand and comprehand what he sings.. as for most other rapers.. i just dont get it.. lol.. sorry to say.. but i dont..

i think he's good

but then what do i know..

Posted by BacardiMan on Aug-20-2002 00:06:

I think Eminem has a lot of talent and he's a good rapper and i'm also enjoying his new album. But if I have to choose between DJ Tiesto and him ofcourse I would choose DJ Tiesto.

Posted by ClubHarder on Aug-20-2002 00:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
he is good at what he does.

I agree. He is a talented rapper IMO, I find him funny and entertaining

Posted by ampburner on Aug-20-2002 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Spyder
...and no it's not cuz he's white.. that i like him..

hmmmz Are you sure about that?

You're basically saying that you DON't like to listen to hiphop (in general) but that out of aaaaaallllll of the hiphop artists out there, of which the vast majority is black, you JUSt happen to like the ONE succesful WHITE rapper that's getting a lot of exposure? AND it's not because of his RACE, AND it's not because he's simply getting a lot of media attention?

That seems like a big coincedence, a little too big IMHO it seems to me you either :

a) Are being a hypocrit. It's so easy to SAY that race doesn't matter to you, because nobody can look inside your mind and check. Maybe you could admit that the fact that he's white and on TV 24/7 does make his music more accessible to you.... I suggest you scroll up and read the lyrics to 'White America' (carefully)

b)It's really just because he has some catchy songs and is being hyped / hyping himself in the media. In this case, maybe you should do some research on other (more underground) artists and the rest of Eminem's discography, you might find something you like

c) I'm talking out of my ass (not highly unlikely)

P.S.: I'm not picking on you in particular, nor am I calling you a racist It's just that after I read Sand Leaper's post with the lyrics to White America I read yours and, well...

Posted by Spyder on Aug-20-2002 01:03:

quote:
Originally posted by ampburner

hmmmz Are you sure about that?

You're basically saying that you DON't like to listen to hiphop (in general) but that out of aaaaaallllll of the hiphop artists out there, of which the vast majority is black, you JUSt happen to like the ONE succesful WHITE rapper that's getting a lot of exposure? AND it's not because of his RACE, AND it's not because he's simply getting a lot of media attention?

That seems like a big coincedence, a little too big IMHO it seems to me you either :

a) Are being a hypocrit. It's so easy to SAY that race doesn't matter to you, because nobody can look inside your mind and check. Maybe you could admit that the fact that he's white and on TV 24/7 does make his music more accessible to you.... I suggest you scroll up and read the lyrics to 'White America' (carefully)

b)It's really just because he has some catchy songs and is being hyped / hyping himself in the media. In this case, maybe you should do some research on other (more underground) artists and the rest of Eminem's discography, you might find something you like

c) I'm talking out of my ass (not highly unlikely)

P.S.: I'm not picking on you in particular, nor am I calling you a racist It's just that after I read Sand Leaper's post with the lyrics to White America I read yours and, well...

i liked part of b.. lol.. no..

seriously when i heard his first song that came out on radio.. and mind me that i dont watch MTV or MUCH Music that often if not ever... i still enojyed his muzik.. it is catchy and i found that his more slower songs are readly down to the ground.. to tell you the the truth one of my fav songs of eminem is forgot about dre.. and d12 purple hills.. i enjoy his more recent songs cleaning out my closet.. and one of his older ones.. i am who i am.. or somthing among the lines.. of that title..

i listen to rap on a daily basis.. well hip hop beacuse thats what is played a lot on the raido's .. and i'm more of a radio girl then a type for cd's mp3's or any other electrical devise mind the radio..

i dont take waht the media.. says about him.. beacuse seriously i dont even know waht they say about him.. .. i just like the muzik..

going about the black and white thing.. is that.. i've heard white ppl rap and make there own stuff as well as in differnet languages that i could understand.. and it wasn't the same.. it was exactly waht i can't stand somthing that maeks no sense.. after the 3rd time you heard it.. not saying that it happens all the time.. but seriously.. i belive that each song has a plot.. and eminem is able to tell a good story.

Posted by ampburner on Aug-20-2002 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Spyder

glad you didn't take offence
I have to admit that I can like cheesy/catchy music (all different styles, including euro-dance) the first two times I hear a song, After that I get so damned bored But no other genre hits me like trance and progressive do

quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Spyder
[color=skyblue] i liked part of b.. lol.. no..
i dont take waht the media.. says about him.. beacuse seriously i dont even know waht they say about him.. .. i just like the muzik..

Well, not neccessarily what the media say about him, but it's not like he's trying to avoid the media either I mean the total media-package, including his lyrics and his comments about his family, personal issues, controversy this, controsversy that etc

quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Spyder

going about the black and white thing.. is that.. i've heard white ppl rap and make there own stuff as well as in differnet languages that i could understand.. and it wasn't the same.. it was exactly waht i can't stand somthing that maeks no sense.. after the 3rd time you heard it.. not saying that it happens all the time.. but seriously.. i belive that each song has a plot.. and eminem is able to tell a good story.

I have no clue as far as rap is concerned frankly, i'm not interested in hiphop at all, and lyrics alone in a song don't really mean a lot to me.

Posted by Spyder on Aug-20-2002 01:21:

quote:
Originally posted by ampburner

glad you didn't take offence
I have to admit that I can like cheesy/catchy music (all different styles, including euro-dance) the first two times I hear a song, After that I get so damned bored But no other genre hits me like trance and progressive do

WELL all i can say about that is that.. i cant be a horse.. and keep to one road.. i like to have a viraty and i like to keep an open mind.. as much as possible.. even if i dont sucseed i try my best..

be as you might not liking it.. i enjoy euro..
quote:

Well, not neccessarily what the media say about him, but it's not like he's trying to avoid the media either I mean the total media-package, including his lyrics and his comments about his family, personal issues, controversy this, controsversy that etc

WELL i guess you would have to be in his shoes.. maybe he keeps it in .. crams all his emotions into a tightly lided bottle and does not let it toout.. has no one to trust and cannot be able to vent.. and lets it out when ever the opertunity comes.. as for him it would be threw words that come on paper.. and later he sings..

as one thing.. i heard about him say.. dont know if it's true or not.. but he did mention somthing about how.. in his songs.. there realy not true.. what he says in them...

Posted by Haunted on Aug-20-2002 02:03:

notice how all the americans like him and all the euros dont
i dont really like him.. he gets annoying
curses all the time
offends people all the time
gets arrested all the time
I think Will Smith has way more talent then Eminem
amen.

Posted by Nadi on Aug-20-2002 02:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
I think Will Smith has way more talent then Eminem
amen.

Funniest thing Ive read all day, I hope you mean as an actor

Posted by whiskers on Aug-20-2002 04:18:

oh, this thread is really gonna get flamin'

i like few select eminem's songs like cleaning out my closet, hailie's song, sing for the moment, stan... his lyrics are some of the MOST intelligent and genious lyrics i've ever heard... and the way he puts them is cool too...

i like the fact that those songs aren't about nothing, like almost all the n'sync/bs/pop-shit songs... there is live emotion in his songs, and it's not fake... those of you who say he's an idiot: how can an idiot write such lyrics?

i'm not saying i like eminem or what he does. i'm saying i like his songs. it's the same thing as saying that i don't like tiesto, but i like his tracks and livesets.

it's just i think that most of you people hate him because he's not trance and he said that "nobody listens to techno". i know that some of you people simply hate other genres of music because you think those genres are too commercial and you wanna be "underground"...

that's my 10 cents, my 2 cents are free. it's my opinion and i don't expect anyone to change anyone by just typing that out.

Posted by sherman on Aug-20-2002 05:02:

quote:
Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix

it's just i think that most of you people hate him because he's not trance and he said that "nobody listens to techno". i know that some of you people simply hate other genres of music because you think those genres are too commercial and you wanna be "underground"...

for me, its not that he makes fun of techno (in his mind all dance music), or that he's too "commercial", i just dont like him or his music because his lyrics are depressing and it scares me that there are actually people like him and that people think its normal to talk about killing people...also, as someone i met this summer said, ur not really a good rapper if u have to curse to rhyme, because that just shows that u can't think of anything good to rhyme...

Posted by Matt on Aug-20-2002 05:03:

I just flat out hate the guy. He has no talent whatsoever, and just exists because record labels want to make rap more accessible to white people.

Posted by Lira on Aug-20-2002 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by jploveparade
once upon a time the best golf player was white and the best rapper was black...

Personally, I don't like him very much. He's got some tallent, but he spends most time judging other people instead of improving his work (who he thinks he is to judge Moby!?). I've got here "Without me (acapella)" with "Katana - Fancy Fair"... I mixed it because I was trying to get a friend of mine into trance, but she's a huge Eminem fan. First, I'll mix them - then, she'll be prepared for the real thing

Posted by Mekka Digital on Aug-20-2002 05:40:

Eminem is one of my favorite rappers these days. Rap totally sucks without him. Im a hardcore Tupac fan...and once Tupac died and they stopped coming out with new stuff from him, It opened the door for Trance to get my attention. Eminem is a great lyricist, he uses sick rhyme schemes to get his messages across. I always lookin for subliminal messages in his rhymes...there are plenty to find. From his new cd.....tunes that must be checked out are

White America
Square Dance With Me
Till i Collapse <----JAM!
Cleaning out my Closet
Drips
Superman
Say What You Say
Sing For The Moment

Posted by sot on Aug-20-2002 05:55:

rap = crap

thats all i gotta say. country is better than rap ffs..thats how low rap is on my list..

Posted by b i n k u n on Aug-20-2002 07:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz

Personally, I don't like him very much. He's got some tallent, but he spends most time judging other people instead of improving his work (who he thinks he is to judge Moby!?).

If I'm not mistaken, Moby said some bad stuff about Eminem on his webpage first...which is why Eminem dissed Moby on his MTV video.

As for him swearing all the time, are you guys KIDDING ME!? for as long as hiphop/rap has been around, they've been hand and hand! and u'r dissing a guys talent just cuz he swears? sure, there's a place for swearing and and a place for not swearing, but yo, just cuz a dude swears dun mean he can't rap....it's all part of the genre/culture kinda thing.

Posted by Nadi on Aug-20-2002 07:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Mosaic
I just flat out hate the guy. He has no talent whatsoever, and just exists because record labels want to make rap more accessible to white people.

Arg, Eminem wasn't ever supposed to be a mainstream artist, he ended up being one due to his skill. How is he a product of record companies if he writes his own lyrics and does alot of his own production anyways?

Posted by futurevision on Aug-20-2002 07:40:

no comment on this guy,
didn't want to say anything bad

there could be better rap music out there?

not sure this isn't my area

only trance for me!

RAVERS RAVE ON!

Posted by jp on Aug-20-2002 08:25:

One thing everyone probably would agree with:

His videos are far more entertaining than from those other rappers like Nelly which only show dumb naked chicks and some bad ass ugly cars like Lexus LS430/Mercedes SL-600 with chrome rims...

yuk!

Posted by Nadi on Aug-20-2002 08:54:

Posted by ampburner on Aug-20-2002 10:42:

quote:
Originally posted by jploveparade
One thing everyone probably would agree with:

His videos are far more entertaining than from those other rappers like Nelly which only show dumb naked chicks and some bad ass ugly cars like Lexus LS430/Mercedes SL-600 with chrome rims...

yuk!

AMEN I don't mind hiphop, certainly don't like it either, but to each their own... what I do, flat out, HATE is hiphop 'culture' pimping, bitches, profanity..... robbing liquor stores in music videos, agression... Why would you want to glorify those things? Spend the time on making decent music instead

Posted by Ves on Aug-20-2002 11:35:

I'm not a fan of hip hop/rap. It just doesn't appeal to me. I avoid Eminem's music because I simply don't like it.

However, I prefer Eminem to other artists in this genre like Nelly, Will Smith and Lil' Bow Wow.

Posted by AussieTrance on Aug-20-2002 13:13:

quote:
Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix
his lyrics are some of the MOST intelligent and genious lyrics i've ever heard...

Yes, they are... his lyrical skills are only matched by the old-school style hip-hop... but his actual lyrics ( f this and f that) leave nothing to be desired, AFAIC.. If you want proper hip-hop, try Jurassic 5, Blackalicious, Run DMC, that sorta stuff

Posted by Ian on Aug-20-2002 16:29:

W-A-N-K-E-R - nuff said

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