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Originally posted by srussell0018 That's like calling anybody who drinks wine an idiot because they're jumping in on a religious practice despite not believing in that rubbish.

Right. Couple of things.

One, wine drinking didnt start because of religion, people were making and drinking wine first, then as the fairytale goes, some people got wasted at dinner one night, and one of them said "This is my blood, drink it and yee will be pissed and or blessed!" and the other blokes were either stupid or drunk enough to buy his bs. On the other hand, cutting off bits from innocent children did start off as a religious practice and continuous as such to this day.


Two, people have a choice if they want to drink wine or not, i very much doubt that many babies are asked of their opinion on whether they would like a strange man fiddle with their penis for a while before chopping a bit of it off. A decision on a proper bottle of wine in a certain situation can be very important, but its not "taking a slice out of your dick" important.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel oh ffs like i'm the one that fucking brings up circumcision all the time. i get that people think it's awful.. really i do. but how many boys have been circumsised later in life because of a medical reason, and how many girls have had their labia cut off or vagina sewn tight for medical reasons? If it was REALLY that fucking barbaric it wouldn't be offered in medical clinics and doctors wouldn't perform it. they are done for two VERY DIFFERENT reasons. and we didn't have it done for religious reasons, either.

I didnt say that you were the one that brings it upp all the time, but you did this time and its been at least a couple of months since the cor argued among itself on this issue.
How many boys? Well i dont have a figure in front of me, so let me take a shot in the dark and say not a lot. Again, it might be that americans simply suck at personal hygiene as hygiene is the reason we keep hearing every time the issue comes up, but as ive said before, this doesnt seem to be the problem on this side of the pond where the ratio of circumcised to uncircumcised is just about the complete 180 from america. If a chance of an infection later in life is the reason to start chopping off bits off people that theres isnt goin g to be much of a person left when chopping off limbs and organs that could get infected stops. As for being offered in clinics, again difference between the two places. In america it seems to be that as soon as youre handed your baby boy someone is there ready willing and happy to offer to cut part of his penis off, while here it more "we would prefer if you didnt, but if you insist on it, at least have a medical professional do it, not some possibly drunk idiot in a funny hat"



As far as asthetics go, im a straight male so im not in the habit of sucking dick, but a nie percentage of my friends happen to be female and those that arent lesbian do enjoy a nice dick once in a while, and as they tell me that if the situation progresses enough that the pants are down circumcised or uncircumcised doesnt really matter as long as its hard and doing its job. Maybe im just friends with very understanding girls, or european women are less shallow than american.



It may not be considered barbaric (in america) now, but if the whole thing didnt have roots in religion, if someone came up with the idea today, advocated publicly and carried out circumcision of a baby boys penis, he would get the living daylights kicked out of him.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Then those people are idiots, sorry. And that's quite a different matter to saying that it's "necessary unless you want your dick to fall off from infection", don't you think?

ffs stu, you know what i was talking about. since when can i not over exaggerate?


Moongoose - i completely agree with you. (about religion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddGf...player_embedded

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay The Std HIV thing is a myth.

A quick google search provide multiple results of studies that say otherwise... One study in 2006 showed a 67% lower risk of contracting HIV... And I didn't care enough to read in-depth on the rest except to take note of the headlines and claims that circumcised males are less likely to be infected with STDs and HIV.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Shut the fuck up Nou. Your penis is grotesque.

+1

foreskin is gross imo

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Originally posted by yukii ffs stu, you know what i was talking about. since when can i not over exaggerate?

Well, I guess I didn't know what you were talking about. To suggest that circumcision is in ANY way necessary is simply false

I hate you all so much.

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Originally posted by Lews I hate you all so much.

Except me, right?

Stu's is uncut, everyone point and la- ah, fuck, like we didn't already know.

lotta dudes talkin bout dicks in this thread

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Stu's is uncut, everyone point and la- ah, fuck, like we didn't already know.

Of course you all knew. Fucking pervs that you are.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Stu's is uncut, everyone point and la- ah, fuck, like we didn't already know.

It's where he lets his humming bird nest.

Nothing like a hummer.

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Originally posted by Moongoose I didnt say that you were the one that brings it upp all the time, but you did this time and its been at least a couple of months since the cor argued among itself on this issue.

Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Christians and Jews and Muslims also mutilate the genitals of children for "religious practice."

Sadly this is considered more acceptable than rape of a child.

nou started it!! *points at nou*

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How many boys? Well i dont have a figure in front of me, so let me take a shot in the dark and say not a lot. Again, it might be that americans simply suck at personal hygiene as hygiene is the reason we keep hearing every time the issue comes up, but as ive said before, this doesnt seem to be the problem on this side of the pond where the ratio of circumcised to uncircumcised is just about the complete 180 from america. If a chance of an infection later in life is the reason to start chopping off bits off people that theres isnt goin g to be much of a person left when chopping off limbs and organs that could get infected stops. As for being offered in clinics, again difference between the two places. In america it seems to be that as soon as youre handed your baby boy someone is there ready willing and happy to offer to cut part of his penis off, while here it more "we would prefer if you didnt, but if you insist on it, at least have a medical professional do it, not some possibly drunk idiot in a funny hat" As far as asthetics go, im a straight male so im not in the habit of sucking dick, but a nie percentage of my friends happen to be female and those that arent lesbian do enjoy a nice dick once in a while, and as they tell me that if the situation progresses enough that the pants are down circumcised or uncircumcised doesnt really matter as long as its hard and doing its job. Maybe im just friends with very understanding girls, or european women are less shallow than american. It may not be considered barbaric (in america) now, but if the whole thing didnt have roots in religion, if someone came up with the idea today, advocated publicly and carried out circumcision of a baby boys penis, he would get the living daylights kicked out of him.

Maybe Americans hygiene isn't the problem but instead people being misinformed. i personally wasn't worried about my sons penis not getting cleaned properly, or looking a certain way. i was fine with it the way it was, i let it be Eli's choice seeing as he is his father. for some reason Eli felt it would be better hygienically and he felt it was somewhat traditional. i don't know where he got that information or why he feels that way but i supported him in it. He supports me in the choices i make for our daughter, one of them being not getting her ears pierced until she was old enough to make that choice for herself, understanding that it would hurt, and she would have to take care of them. I know that when our son was born, there wasn't anyone at the hospital offering to circumcise him, we had to take him to a doctors office and pay for it. So maybe it is misinformation and a doctors agenda? I also have no preference when it comes to how it looks. Eli is circumcised, my ex boyfriend was not. booth look/ed great. i also agree with you if it was a practice that was started now, it would sound/look absolutely ludicrous.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay a lot of disillusioned people on this site on both sides of the circumcision fence here. Not that Penn & Teller can be considered bastions of science, but watch this. http://www.tv-links.eu/tv-shows/Pen...on_3/episode_1/ The Std HIV thing is a myth. Male foreskin is there to actually protect the gland of the penis... That being said...my foreskin, it gets results. As for the doctors claiming that all of these "studies" they have done say circumcision is recommended have less to do with science than with the fact that circumcision is a 400 million dollar industry per year in the US alone.

not that i care, but:

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July 21, 2011 A CAMPAIGN to encourage African men to get circumcised to prevent infection by HIV has gained a powerful boost by three new studies unveiled at the world AIDS forum in Rome. New cases of HIV among men fell by an astonishing 76 per cent after a circumcision program was launched in a South African township, researchers reported today. Had no circumcisions been carried out, the tally of new infections among the overall population, men and women combined, would have been 58 per cent higher. "This study is a fantastic result for a simple intervention which costs 40 euros ($A53), takes 20 minutes and has to be done only once in a lifetime," said David Lewis, of the Society for Family Health in Johannesburg and the University of the Witwatersrand, South Africa. In 2006, trials in Kenya, Uganda and South Africa found foreskin removal more than halved men's risk of infection by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Longer-term analysis found the benefit to be even greater than thought, with a risk reduction of around 60 per cent. After pondering risks and benefits, health watchdogs set in motion circumcision campaigns in 13 sub-Saharan countries that have been badly hit by the AIDS virus. Advocates call it "surgical vaccine", describing it as a cheap yet effective form of prevention. Sub-Saharan Africa is home to two-thirds of the 33 million people living with HIV. As of mid-2010, around 175,000 circumcisions had been carried out in the 13 countries considered priorities, according to UNAIDS. The new study was conducted between 2007 and 2010 in Orange Farm, a township of 110,000 adults, where more than 20,000 circumcisions had been performed, especially in the 15-24 age group, which is most sexually active. Two other studies released in Rome added to the good news about circumcision: Circumcised men say they experience greater sexual pleasure after surgery, a finding that should help overcome unease about the operation. Investigators at the University of Makerere interviewed 316 men, average age 22, who had been circumcised between February and September 2009. A year after the operation, 220 of the volunteers said they were sexually active, of whom a quarter said they used condoms. A total of 87.7 per cent said they found it easier to reach an orgasm after being circumcised, and 92.3 per cent said they experienced more sexual pleasure. Newly-circumcised men are just as likely as uncircumcised men to practice safe sex, according to interviews conducted among 2207 men in western Kenya, six months after they had had the operation. This helps ease concerns that circumcised men are tempted to abandon condom use in the belief they are completely shielded from HIV. France's 2008 Nobel laureate Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, who in 1983 co-identified HIV as the source of AIDS, said overconfidence in circumcision was a major anxiety. "Nothing provides 100 per cent protection, not even a vaccine," she said. "Let's stop thinking that one preventative tool is enough. Circumcision has to be part of a combined approach." The theory behind the benefits of circumcision is that the inner foreskin is an easy entry point for HIV. It is rich in so-called Langerhans cells, tissue that the AIDS virus easily latches on to and penetrates. On the downside, male circumcision does not reduce the risk for women who have intercourse with an HIV-infected man, and the protective benefit does not seem to apply to homosexual intercourse. There is an indirect advantage, though. The fewer men who are infected with HIV, the smaller the risk of infection for others. "Science is proving that we are at the tipping point of the epidemic," said Michel Sidibe, executive director of UNAIDS. Scaling up voluntary circumcision to young men in places with HIV prevalence will help reach the UN's 2015 goal of halving sexual transmission of the disease, he said. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...3#ixzz1U7kwVeup

they found it easier to cirumcise men to protect them from AIDS, than the 100% successful treatment of giving them personalities like nou.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not that i care, but: they found it easier to cirumcise men to protect them from AIDS, than the 100% successful treatment of giving them personalities like nou.

Wait, they taught easier orgasm as a benefit?

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Originally posted by Moongoose BTW, didnt that piss christ sell for like 20 million or something like that? I would personally make piss mohammed even i could only sell it for half that amount. You have to give a pass on taking the piss out of mormons though, did you read the shit they believe its like their religion was made by god herself its so perfectly made for people to laugh at, kind of like scientology only without the lawsuits.

I'd make a piss mohammed painting if it would sell for $20... lol.

Yeah that's some funny shit when you get into the belief system of fundamentalist mormons and of course the scientologists.

Do you lot really care that much about foreskin!?

Next thing you know, you will be talking about pubic hair (or any hair, for that matter) and why we should all shave everything off because it's more aerodynamic or summat

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Originally posted by Lira Do you lot really care that much about foreskin!? Next thing you know, you will be talking about pubic hair (or any hair, for that matter) and why we should all shave everything off because it's more aerodynamic or summat

Why do you think I shave my head?

I don't charge for circumcisions, I just keep the tips

rofl @ thread title

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Originally posted by The17sss I don't claim they adore muslims, but that seems to be the only religion whose "rights" liberals like to defend these days. It's cash money and oh-so-progressive to do a piece of art called "Piss Christ" where Jesus is urinated on, and a Broadway play mocking Mormons, but let's see those pussies do a "Piss Muhammad" painting and a mocking musical of Muhammad's flight to Mecca.

Ever wondered why? LOL, fuck...
Edit: and its not because they'll bomb us, which I realised is what you'd almost certainly assume

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Originally posted by Spam A quick google search provide multiple results of studies that say otherwise... One study in 2006 showed a 67% lower risk of contracting HIV... And I didn't care enough to read in-depth on the rest except to take note of the headlines and claims that circumcised males are less likely to be infected with STDs and HIV.

Surely if they're acting in a way that spreads disease something like this isn't going to make that much difference...
As in, as if HIV would really have any serious drop if everyone cut off their foreskins...

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Originally posted by Spam A quick google search provide multiple results of studies that say otherwise... One study in 2006 showed a 67% lower risk of contracting HIV... And I didn't care enough to read in-depth on the rest except to take note of the headlines and claims that circumcised males are less likely to be infected with STDs and HIV.

You unbelievable retard.

HOW? Seriously HOW?

You demented fuckwit.

Classic thread!

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 You unbelievable retard. HOW? Seriously HOW? You demented fuckwit. Classic thread!

the same way an open cut is more susceptible to the virus than unbroken skin, fuckhead.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/artic...-overview#a0102

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