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Originally posted by Zombie0729 you'd still need to clear it with the publisher

tchaikovsky, Bach and that russian folklore tune , all public domain.

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul *** And Laurent... I accompany your work, blog/trance.nu/tranceaddict posts since 2002 when I knew trance music, obviously you are one of my classic producers that I admire. But like you said, you (and Yves Deruyter) used to do like Fabio Stein, the difference is: he complained once and quit, he is moving on. You complained million of times and you didnt quit, YET. I'm your fan too but when you quit for some reason, maybe you will understand Fabio Stein and others that leave the scene. I wish you last longer before this... And dont understand me wrong, please... But quoting "Fabio who?" because you have literally hundreds and hundreds of releases was not cool, imo... You used to be very humble and helpful. Good luck and peace, Anthony.

Laurent who? does it sound right to you?

Because that's how terribly humble I feel. I feel I am a complete nobody, just like Fabio is. You probably misinterpreted my intentions here. Hey man, wake up a little, you think I'd come here if I wasn't that humble? I feel part of this community just like you and like many others.

I quoted "Fabio who" in comparison to the big superstars such as U2, Lady Gaga, Madonna, etc..., not even ferry corsten, not even anyone else on that scale because they're also unsignificant. We all are unsignificant.

To answer concretely, I think you got confused, I announced that "I wanted" to retire from the music industry in 2003 after some bad events and a dj friend convinced me not to do that. and then I announced that I'd retire from dj'ing in 2008 as I left my dj agency from back then and didn't want to play for big money anymore, which effectively happened, as the only gigs I played are minor ones, most of them not even being paid! My main focus is now live performances but the problem is budget to plan a 100+ musicians show. I play only when I have to (eg, when I get fired from my dayjob like in last june and I need to pay health care for my ill daughter?), and most of the time, believe me when I say it's not for a big fee. Besides that, like everyone else, I have dayjobs, things on the side that keep me alive. Fortunately.

Man, don't think I wanted to insult Fabio here. I know it hurts when you get such reality check. But that's the state of the industry today, and it makes it hard for EVERYONE. Including for one with a gazillion releases like me.

Back to Fabio now, I'd have been happy to help him out if he asked questions re: label, distribution and right moves on a smaller scale as this is exactly what we've been doing for the last 3 years. But I can't help someone who retires unfortunately.

Like I said, I did that mistake, and will never do it again and announce I retire because that's a LIE to myself and to the 7200 fans on my page. Music is first art, not a business. Quitting music is a complete nonsense, as if you were rejecting half of your life. Only a few of us can claim being able to live off music entirely. If someone announces publicly that he resigns when hitting bottom, that is for me a huge communication fault. That could happen in 2003, but today with how important communication is, every single step in that direction kills you.

An agent would kill me for posting here, but I don't care guys, I feel part of this social community that is music. I do not care about ranking, votes, top, fame, whatever. You understand matey?

And believe me now when I say that if I ever have to quit entirely, that's either at the top or even in complete silence.

L.

every artist has those moments where they feel like saying fuck it. I've thought about quitting music plenty of times. I couldn't handle the EDM scene for the short period I was in it. But it is better to just fade away than to make an announcement because an announcement assumes people care.

I remember when The main guy from Schokk and flutlich just stopped making dance. Now that was a a real loss. Every release was on the top of the charts then nothing. Don't even think drugs had anything to do with it. Some people just get bored and EDM is a rather boring genre if that is all you ever do.

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul Well... I'm brazilian, I know Fabio Stein personally, I did visit his studio in S�o Paulo. He is a very humble guy, he used to share his production techniques and skills with patience and attention. He gave feedback for lots of producers here in Brazil (Danilo Ercole for example, yet they have different production styles). Fabio is a rare person in this $cene. In my opinion, judge his technical skills by one track only (Techtris, one of his first ones when he used to produce with Buzz tracker yet) is totally unfair, because I dont think you would do the same with artists you like. He is very talented, versatile, and creative, but ok, its matter of opinion. http://www.discogs.com/artist/Fabio+Stein He is not a wannabe or newbie in the scene... He could produce an Arty/Cosmic Gate/Dinka/Mark Knight or whatever famous guy style track in beatport if he wants, but it was-not-his-style... Think a little and you can understand this... In the end, he was bored with the scene and quit, c'mon guys, what is the problem with this? Just respect him and try understand him, lots of producers do that (ie. vincent de moor, andy blueman). I read his farewell message and I can understand him, so I wish him good luck. *** And Laurent... I accompany your work, blog/trance.nu/tranceaddict posts since 2002 when I knew trance music, obviously you are one of my classic producers that I admire. But like you said, you (and Yves Deruyter) used to do like Fabio Stein, the difference is: he complained once and quit, he is moving on. You complained million of times and you didnt quit, YET. I'm your fan too but when you quit for some reason, maybe you will understand Fabio Stein and others that leave the scene. I wish you last longer before this... And dont understand me wrong, please... But quoting "Fabio who?" because you have literally hundreds and hundreds of releases was not cool, imo... You used to be very humble and helpful. Good luck and peace, Anthony.

TOTALLY agree with you Anthony.

Fabio is one of the most genuine people you will ever meet.

I think everyone is misinterpreting why he has left this so called 'scene' (which actually reminds me more of a playground).

He left because of its state. It's a fools game. Anyone who argues against it is plainly idle. To those that wish to remain in the scene, fair play. How can you criticise someone for hanging up their boots when everyone in the top 100 cheats?

Some people live their live's based on integrity. You saw what Fabio said in his post, right? He was depressed. Now he has quit, he is happy. He has changed his life, just like Tiesto did. Although I don't like Tiesto's style, I still salute him for doing what he wants to do rather than living his life as a template.

Anyone who criticises him for this is just a total loser.

And as to slating his music in a malicious manner, you haven't got a clue.

In Fabio's words, to the haters, FUCK YOU.

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Originally posted by alexlosy And as to slating his music in a malicious manner, you haven't got a clue.

We haven't got a clue about your OPINION? C'mon, dude, you're smarter than that. As for slating other peoples' music, that was my only problem with his entire resignation - he used his resignation as a podium to slate everybody's music, rather than taking a hard and honest look at himself. The man's music is no better than anybody else's and he has NOT been a game-changer in the industry, so he has no right to point the finger at anybody else. Before you pick up a flag to start a revolution, you'd better know for damned sure that you're on the side that you think you're on.

Aside from that, I have no problem with him or the resignation, so please keep the personal attacks out of this and focus on the real issue. Although, I will admit, as Laurent, Looney4Clooney, et al. have pointed out that resignations are usually much better received by just fading away, rather than making a grandiose announcement and indictment of the people around you; otherwise, you run the risk of being perceived as a petty, self-serving person with a desperate cry for attention.

As I said previously, I wish him well and that's all I have to say on this subject. [/dead horse beating]

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Originally posted by cryophonik I spent a little time listening to his tracks on youtube. Am I the only one who can listen to a track like the one below and find it very ironic that he is complaining about the lack of unique and special music in EDM and asking "where's the beef?" This track epitomizes lack of substance and original thinking - it's generic, formulaic, robotic, and I don't think I heard a chord change in the entire song (TBH, I sorta tuned it out from boredom after about 4 minutes). <

I found that same track and thought it was totaly generic and dire and very plodding.

The reality of edm, is the reality of painting, few are really good enough, original enough and determined enough to strike gold.

None of us are bemoaning the fate of all those poor painters out there with so much talent but no one praising them. It's lions on the plains, some get all the meat and mates, some don't, the natural order of things.

Originality is also pretty crucial now and not easy. We tend to fall into patterns, for example using stutter or the finger and end up sounding like one another. Sometimes throw away all the gagets and toys and do your music in a hands - on old school way.

I actually believe personal esoteric ways of doing things are much more interesting than reaching for the latest must have gadget.

PS - I know I'm no good so far, but onwards and upwards, the journey is fun


Some great posts in this thread guys.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler PS - I know I'm no good so far,..

Well, that's definitely debatable and I'd say that you're wrong. But, moreover, this isn't about you or me or anybody else on this forum because we aren't the ones pointing the finger at every EDM producer and saying "you guys are all failing me and I'm sick of going against the grain."

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Originally posted by alexlosy ). He left because of its state. It's a fools game.

You need to read up on psychology and history.

Every Human endeavour features;

a) Enthusiasts
b) The disalusioned


Read the history of painting. Fabios story is a well trodden path.

Read up on early 70's bands such as the influencial prog rockers, King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic! It could be Fabio talking.

Fabios exist every where all the time.


You are exhibiting classic traites well documented by behavioral social scientists. You for example are 100% CERTAIN THAT ANYONE WHO ARGUES IT'S NOT A 'FOOLS GAME' IS IDLE. This is absolutely what psychologists predict you would think - those disalluisoned with a scene always say this and they cannot understand why others cannot see the poison all around them.

This then is your reality tunnel beyond which your brain refuses to see.

I've heard such sentiments on scene specific forums from motor cycling to angling and martial arts (often dissidents want to form new strands of martial art as they feel the one they are in has lost it's way and become all about control from the top).

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Originally posted by alexlosy I think everyone is misinterpreting why he has left this so called 'scene' (which actually reminds me more of a playground). He left because of its state.

I think you're misinterpreting people like Cryo when they attack fabio for what he's doing. We're well aware he's done with EDM because of the state of the industry, the point we're trying to make is it's childish to blame the industry for not being progressive and innovative when you yourself can't do anything groundbreaking yourself. It's not unreasonable to quit because of it, but slamming the scene for things that he's guilty of himself makes him look like a tool.

Nobody's saying he's not a stand-up guy, it doesn't matter if he helps old ladies cross the street and volunteers time to nurse sick puppies back to health. He's blaming other artists for ruining the EDM industry when he's part of the problem, which is pretty fucking low. That's all anyone is saying.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler You need to read up on psychology and history. Every Human endeavour features; a) Enthusiasts b) The disalusioned Read the history of painting. Fabios story is a well trodden path. Read up on early 70's bands such as the influencial prog rockers, King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic! It could be Fabio talking. Fabios exist every where all the time. You are exhibiting classic traites well documented by behavioral social scientists. You for example are 100% CERTAIN THAT ANYONE WHO ARGUES IT'S NOT A 'FOOLS GAME' IS IDLE. This is absolutely what psychologists predict you would think - those disalluisoned with a scene always say this and they cannot understand why others cannot see the poison all around them. This then is your reality tunnel beyond which your brain refuses to see. I've heard such sentiments on scene specific forums from motor cycling to angling and martial arts (often dissidents want to form new strands of martial art as they feel the one they are in has lost it's way and become all about control from the top).

Years ago, I might have been inclined to agree with you but psychology has fallen far, far off the path it was on. It has been littered with rot ever since they took Narcissistic Personality Disorder out of the DSM. What the fuck?

Fuck psychology. I'm fucking over it and all the haters - fucking narcissists!

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Originally posted by alexlosy TOTALLY agree with you Anthony. Fabio is one of the most genuine people you will ever meet. In Fabio's words, to the haters, FUCK YOU.

no one here hates him. I promise. :-) And I second you when you're saying a part of the scene is a kindergarten. As far as I remember since 1996, it's always been like that. But that said...

I can name you hundreds of artists who constantly release stuff, who eventually get gigs, who have a life dedicated to music yet they've had it as hard as fabio has, as we all have. They do not care about this dj mag thing, we do not care about superstardom, we want to get recognition for our taste and our skills. No more no less. It's very frustrating not to get where you want, but that's the way of the world for thousands others. Yet, I'd like to understand how one can stop making music out of frustration because of a few morons feodalizing a scene and being selfish. I'm open for a direct discussion with fabio if he could make some time and come explain here. I'm sure he has good reasons too.


Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well...

I used to work for someone until recently. I kept working for that person for 2 months while he shut my ftp access, the payments and communication with me all behind my back and without notice. After 2 years and 4 months of loyal work... I got to work for nothing and we got to that point I couldn't even pay the doctors to take care of my back then 3 months old daughter who's apparently suffering from a specific disease (CF but still not sure) she'll never recover from, yet I was still hoping that the guy would get back to me!! That's how people treat you inside the music business today. No mercy, no warnings, no friendship.

Does it mean we have to act that way? surely not. That means we just need to shut up, keep that anger for later, and work work work until we can finally break those morons in pieces. In my case this is exactly what is going to happen. There's only one way up, that's the positive one. The bigger the harm, the stronger the evolution.

That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

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Originally posted by Lolo Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well... That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

Well, I'm glad you brought this up. As a father myself, I can't imagine having to go through something like that, but I really admire your positive attitude and I sincerely hope that things work out fine for your daughter, your family, yourself, and your career. I think I speak for every TA when I say that your contributions here are invaluable and it doesn't go unnoticed that someone with your experience, knowledge, and resume' takes the time to post here so frequently and help out others. Stay positive!

lol its impossible to tell at first glance who is really genuine these days, hell even on multiple glances. the dj scene here seems to be filled with hustlers and thugs. definitely not for me.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic!

Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

i know guys that spent 40 years in the business to have in come down crashing loosing everything in the process, They have a right to complain, This guy is 30, has invested very little and don't get the chip he seems to have on his shoulder. suck it up.

Take say the average investment from a veteran EDM producer, multiply that by 10, and that is about the average commitment most classical musicians have made and most will not go on to make a living. Fabio was actually lucky that standards are as low as they are in the EDM scene.

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Originally posted by meriter Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

Well Robert Fripp kind of disbanded the group before their 7th album, he reformed the group a few years later. It had something to do with him having an existential crisis around the time.. wouldn't really call that relevant to anything here, but he still makes a good point.

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Originally posted by meriter Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

30 awful albums. Ya i would be jaded. Hey guys , why are we putting out this prog rock bullshit. Can we just kick it and stop wanking every thing to death.

@Laurent
Thanks for explaining better, I wish God bless you and your family, not only because you are one of my favorite producers, but because you are a humble and nice guy... you deserve the best... cheers...

@alexlosy

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Originally posted by Lolo no one here hates him. I promise. :-) And I second you when you're saying a part of the scene is a kindergarten. As far as I remember since 1996, it's always been like that. But that said... I can name you hundreds of artists who constantly release stuff, who eventually get gigs, who have a life dedicated to music yet they've had it as hard as fabio has, as we all have. They do not care about this dj mag thing, we do not care about superstardom, we want to get recognition for our taste and our skills. No more no less. It's very frustrating not to get where you want, but that's the way of the world for thousands others. Yet, I'd like to understand how one can stop making music out of frustration because of a few morons feodalizing a scene and being selfish. I'm open for a direct discussion with fabio if he could make some time and come explain here. I'm sure he has good reasons too. Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well... I used to work for someone until recently. I kept working for that person for 2 months while he shut my ftp access, the payments and communication with me all behind my back and without notice. After 2 years and 4 months of loyal work... I got to work for nothing and we got to that point I couldn't even pay the doctors to take care of my back then 3 months old daughter who's apparently suffering from a specific disease (CF but still not sure) she'll never recover from, yet I was still hoping that the guy would get back to me!! That's how people treat you inside the music business today. No mercy, no warnings, no friendship. Does it mean we have to act that way? surely not. That means we just need to shut up, keep that anger for later, and work work work until we can finally break those morons in pieces. In my case this is exactly what is going to happen. There's only one way up, that's the positive one. The bigger the harm, the stronger the evolution. That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

Wow dude, this is an excellent post of the highest caliber. The people inside the music industry certainly do treat people like ourselves like shit. That has been my experience as well. I'm sorry for the problems with your daughter. As a father too, I can only imagine what you have been going through. I hope things work out.

Pshhh I know what this guy needs. He needs more Basshunter, everything in the EDM scene will instantly be more appetizing.

I also didn't know who he was until reading this thread, but I will say anyone who's ever seriously pursued anything creative for a given length of time knows exactly where Fabio is coming from. If you're displeased, then it's probably better you leave it all alone, because there's enough of cynicism in EDM to go around. Ironic considering how happy the outward appearance is.

I remember when I first started listening to EDM, there were people disillusioned with the 'scene' and all they ever talked about was how good it was back in the days of acid house and how everything now-a-days was stale and repetitive and lacked any type of skill.

Meanwhile the whole Bristol sound had just broken wide open and I was listening to dnb, trip hop, breaks, along with IDM, gabber, deep house, trance, and a bunch of other genres. I decided at that moment that I never wanted to be one of "those guys" that felt the need to complain about how horrible everything was, when in reality it's all a matter of perspective.

As for quitting at 30, well, that's just a comment meant to get a response. Maybe someone should tell that to Goa Gil, Frankie Bones, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Grooverider, and quite a feew others that I won't type out. I think that says something about having a passion for music or anything creative.

Anyone who's been in Fabio's shoes also knows there's a difference between a hobby, a paycheck and a passion. If it's a passion then you know it's worth pursuing, both good and bad. Honestly, I hope Fabio finds his true passion, and I'm glad to hear he's happier now.

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Originally posted by Sukhavati I remember when I first started listening to EDM, there were people disillusioned with the 'scene' and all they ever talked about was how good it was back in the days of acid house

Exactly.

Again the documentary I saw on the history of prog rock, revealed many artists that after a few years said the scene was cynical, nasty, over cooked and self indulgent.

There was a common quip that prog rock had descended into a bunch of naval gazers indulging in 30 minute guitar solos.

So just like Fabio today, people back then mirrored his sentiments and this happens all the time in every scene.

Go on a film forum and you will see the same, Disallusioned often embittered folk longing for yesteryear.

Thats not to say people dont get genuinely burned as is the case with Lolo here (wishing you huge luck going forward).

Sorry to keep banging on about psychology, but it is very well documented that people tend to look back in awe and forward with fear. The Canadian author of Future Babble in his foreward describes how his Grandfather having been through 2 world wars and the world depression, said in the 1950's that he feared for the future and felt his own life had been far better than that he expected for his grandson. This is A COMMON sentiment. The past always seems better.


You can find Fabios sentiment writ large when listening to the chatterati banging on about the 'INEVITABLE' DECLINE OF AMERICA GOING FORWARD.
Well do a little study and you will find this sentiment echoed again and again the last 100 years. There were lots of well supported theories written in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's that America was going down the pan and in fatal inexorable decline. It didn't happen.

It probably wont happen (although many of you will find this hard to believe at the moment). But I can pretty much guarantee you America will still be top dog economically in 50 years. China may have more wealth one day soon, but it's spread among 4 times more citizens and in any event they will not be as inventive as the yanks going forward, of this I am certain beyond a doubt.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler ...

So, in a rudimentary sense, it's really more a case of familiarity breeding contempt. (?)

you guys have no idea. its worse that then restaurant biz when you start . I think i was like fired 3 times in one day , once but some guy that was working on another project, lol. but you kinda just assume the guy is having a little tantrum and unless someone says , hey , i'm your replacement, you still work.

You need to a sense of humour, thick skin and gorgeous hair. Talent is like shoes in certain areas. Everyone in the building has them and if you don't, you stick out like a black guy paying child support.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney You need to a sense of humour, thick skin and gorgeous hair.

Exactly.

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