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It's about time to install Randomocracy, as I suggested in some thread a while ago.

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Originally posted by Vector A

I just submitted an entry to the Occupy Wall Street NYC Billboard campaign competition.

If you like my design, vote here!

ps - at some point i added a QR code that is a hyperlink to http://www.occupywallst.org. so there are 2 entries on the page but this is the one to vote for.

Voted. Yours is truly, design wise, the one I like the most

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Originally posted by Lira Voted. Yours is truly, design wise, the one I like the most

well thank you!

God I hate twitter. I'd be more prone to revolution if it didn't happen over that incessant network.

You know what's an anagram for "Occupy Wall Street"? Rectally Upset Cow.

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Originally posted by Lira You know what's an anagram for "Occupy Wall Street"? Rectally Upset Cow.

Also: Ew, Costly Rape Cult.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Also: Ew, Costly Rape Cult.

I can't imagine protests of this nature necessarily lending themselves to any meaningfully lasting movement.

There really appears to be no cohesive, reasonably defined set of tenets at the center of this. It seems as though every protestor offers a different explanation as to why and what they're protesting, and set within different ideological frameworks, resulting in the desire to overthrow some ill-defined edifice of authority the only conceptual commonality they share with each other.

As such, movements like this tend to attract the variety of person who knows they ought to be upset with something, but are unable to more precisely articulate what that something is. All it takes are a few key subversive words like 'occupation,' and an increasingly fashionable series of protests to bring these part-time activists out in droves.

Fucking hippies!
If they are pot-smoking lazy losers that can't get a decent job it's their fault, not Wall Street's.

inb4ke...crap.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost I can't imagine protests of this nature necessarily lending themselves to any meaningfully lasting movement. There really appears to be no cohesive, reasonably defined set of tenets at the center of this. It seems as though every protestor offers a different explanation as to why and what they're protesting, and set within different ideological frameworks, resulting in the desire to overthrow some ill-defined edifice of authority the only conceptual commonality they share with each other. As such, movements like this tend to attract the variety of person who knows they ought to be upset with something, but are unable to more precisely articulate what that something is. All it takes are a few key subversive words like 'occupation,' and an increasingly fashionable series of protests to bring these part-time activists out in droves.

What are you talking about?

I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be:

1. generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give fuck-all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%).
   
   
2. specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans.
   
   
3. corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis.
   

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Originally posted by nefardec What are you talking about? I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be: generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give fuck-all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%). specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans. corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis. these are the basic tenets of the group, which have been made exceedingly clear over and over again. beyond this, these tenets affect everyone very differently - for example, the first item i posted can cover a variety of concerns from corporate environmental abuse to gender discrimination to online privacy concerns. The occupation on this common ground thus provides solidarity for all of these various causes under a single '99%'-wide umbrella, giving people with all manner of concerns and ideas a voice and opportunity to speak that is larger than themselves alone. This isn't about fighting the man, it's about fighting the anti-man. It's about self-respecting citizens standing up for themselves and their fellow human beings, standing on these basic 3 tenets. Yes, of course there are some radicals who are part of the movement - why wouldn't they be? But this isn't about radical revolution as much as it is purely about justice and fairness. Also, to be honest, from a conceptual standpoint, I find #OCCUPY to be kind of a misnomer - IMO it is more #LIBERATE than #OCCUPY - the occupation seems to me to be the anti-human corporate system that we've traded our souls to for stuff. In any case, #OCCUPY is a powerful word that inspires direct action and enjoys wide usage, and that's only good for the movement.

This +1









Oh, and Ron Paul for President.

(Just kidding 'bout Ron Paul)

Ron Paul would probably be the first, actual conservative in office in a very, very long time. It will never happen though. I blame Bruno!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Ron Paul would probably be the first, actual conservative in office in a very, very long time. It will never happen though. I blame Bruno!

quoted for truth

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Originally posted by nefardec What are you talking about? I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be: generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give fuck-all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%). specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans. corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis. these are the basic tenets of the group, which have been made exceedingly clear over and over again. beyond this, these tenets affect everyone very differently - for example, the first item i posted can cover a variety of concerns from corporate environmental abuse to gender discrimination to online privacy concerns. The occupation on this common ground thus provides solidarity for all of these various causes under a single '99%'-wide umbrella, giving people with all manner of concerns and ideas a voice and opportunity to speak that is larger than themselves alone. This isn't about fighting the man, it's about fighting the anti-man. It's about self-respecting citizens standing up for themselves and their fellow human beings, standing on these basic 3 tenets. Yes, of course there are some radicals who are part of the movement - why wouldn't they be? But this isn't about radical revolution as much as it is purely about justice and fairness. Also, to be honest, from a conceptual standpoint, I find #OCCUPY to be kind of a misnomer - IMO it is more #LIBERATE than #OCCUPY - the occupation seems to me to be the anti-human corporate system that we've traded our souls to for stuff. In any case, #OCCUPY is a powerful word that inspires direct action and enjoys wide usage, and that's only good for the movement.

Great post.

I find it so very interesting that time and again the whole "they have no goals" thing is being parroted on the news and radio. Seems a very fearful gasp by media corporations to me.

It's understandable that the occupation can be viewed as a listless mob; After all, there are literally as many reasons as there are people. It is however rather surprising that throngs of unsettled people speaking out against the tyranny of this rigged game is completely lost on some. True, there really isn't a committee with a figurehead and a court and a hierarchy to appeal to. That's why anarchy succeeds, though; Not because it is an establishment, but because its aim is to (ideally) sear change into society with its impermanence.

I'm rather disappointed to hear some of the criticisms from the non-Americans on here. You complain that America is an imperialist nation that will sooner pummel the third world than take a few hits to the chin and settle down in its corner. What entities do you think drive this machine of ours? It sure as hell isn't 99% of the American citizenship.

I'm not saying this is the ideal way to go about things, but I don't think anyone really knows what the ideal way to disrupt the commerce of largely unbridled corporatism really is; It sure as hell isn't voting for whomever you think will fuck things up the least.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Only the establishment care about ties! Hal is a plant for The Man!

Shhh, I have everything to gain from encouraging their inevitable downfall!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It will never happen though.

That is a good thing. Libertarianism and Ron Paul is about as far away from this movement as anything or anyone could be. It is a utopian ideal that is akin to anarchism, except wrapped in the conservative ideals of "small government" and "personal freedom".

It is not what this country needs, or any country needs.

It's true enough that purposefully less government would inevitably lead to corporate fascism the likes of which futurism has held for years.

But just the same, I believe our generation is (hopefully) going to have a hard time swallowing the traditions of the past; Primarily, the liberal rights that should be relinquished from government involvement that libertarianism has been the seemingly sole voice for, for years. Namely, impartiality of government in sex, gender, race, economic status, etc. The dissolution of marriage as a state-recognized fertility industry, tax exemption for religious institutions, and the recognition of corporations as entities with rights to be bargained over the cost of individual citizens. None of these things seem possible with an ever-encroaching government, in lieu of the vanguards of unitary entitlement through surveillance and profiling.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I find it so very interesting that time and again the whole "they have no goals" thing is being parroted on the news and radio. Seems a very fearful gasp by media corporations to me.

Well sure, they (meaning TPTB) have to paint the mob as a bunch of immature children who have nothing better to do than demolish everything around them for no reason. If they actually informed about their motivations and deeper societal causes, the risk of spreading it further would rise significantly.


As for the question in the OP, personally I'm convinced there will actually be massive and violent uprisings pretty much all around the developed world in the near future. The Wall Street protests aren't the start of a revolution more than Greece isn't the start of the big economic meltdown in Europe. They are both first visible symptoms of something much larger and systemic, which is now just beginning to fully unfold.

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