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At no point in this thread has M4B been "pwnd" yet. I stopped talking like that when I was 13btw.

I think the real issue here is like M4B said, you're a blatant ignorant liar. The whole forum knows you stick your cock in your jp I cant believe you are really insane enough to tell us that shit was a joke.
You pulled that shit off terribly imo.

BTW I own only 2 hardsynths and would not recommend either for bass. I have heard pulse demos a handful of times and it sticks out like a sore thumb for bass. Plan on buying it likely as my next synth. It is dense, rich, lush and unique. If you pulled your bfs cock out of your ears from time to time you'd know that.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox At no point in this thread has M4B been "pwnd" yet. I stopped talking like that when I was 13btw. I think the real issue here is like M4B said, you're a blatant ignorant liar. The whole forum knows you stick your cock in your jp I cant believe you are really insane enough to tell us that shit was a joke. You pulled that shit off terribly imo. BTW I own only 2 hardsynths and would not recommend either for bass. I have heard pulse demos a handful of times and it sticks out like a sore thumb for bass. Plan on buying it likely as my next synth. It is dense, rich, lush and unique. If you pulled your bfs cock out of your ears from time to time you'd know that.

robby fox well come on down!

i'm gonna put you on ignore, and if it wasn't a joke why am i selling it?

You are selling it because no more men are willing to pay you to suck their cocks. Be honest for once just please already.

man this is tough, today I checked out vids on the juno 106, the mopho, and virus b, all are very nice, they didnt fail to impress in the bass department. I have to find a decent vid on the waldorf. Im starting to think that maybe getting something like the virus b or mopho instead of the juno may be a better option as far as reliability, parts, etc, goes?

Yea, umm, I have the Jp-8080 and I like it, however it is not that great for bass and also I have 0 volume problems on mine. Works perfectly fine without a preamp.

In general you don't hear too many people say much about using the Virus Ti for bass, or at least I don't hear it, but, I think the Ti really works great for bass. I've gotten some of my deepest sounding tones out of that unit. But, hardware aside, if you want a great sounding soft synth for bass, check out A.C.E. http://www.u-he.com/cms/ace I tried it out a while ago and that synth was pretty wicked for bass sounds. (not only for bass sounds though)

your telling me you don't have to raise the gain at all?

if you want bass layer a sine sub..

im going to make a jp8000 bass just for this thread.

also, jp8000 outputs die easy

also, jp8000 has an amp on top right.. turn that fully up.

also: heres a video i made 3 years ago! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNhtr72r-0I

bass @ 2:10

i dont remember for sure but i think i used jp8000 for the wobble bass here: http://soundcloud.com/eixx/roots

skip to 1:30... it has that loose square sound of jp8000 pulse

i would not go so far to say you can't make bass. I even mentioned how you can do that cinema pulsing bass sound rather well but as an all out bass synth, I think you can agree it isn't really its forte.

HOnestly, it isn't hard to know if a synth will sound good for bass. Just listen to the pure oscillators without any FX or processing. If they sound full, ie just one oscillator , it will be good for bass. And of course the filter is important . SO mess with those two things. If they sound good, bass will sound good.

NI massive , i wouldn't really call a good synth for bass but for some reason , everyone is using it for that formant filter bass sound used in dubstep. It just so happens that the ossilators make a very fx processed bass possible but if you wanted a nice round pluck bass for trance, you would use something else.

The waldorf pulse is a tank. It is also analog. Monophonic but that is all you really need for bass. You could buy these for 400-600 about 8 years ago. Not sure if the price has stayed the same gone up or down. What i do know is that germans build things well.

And i have nothing against the jp 8080. It is a classic synth that defines trance. It is the trance machine. Dated but still. If you want to collect synths, everyone should have one. That was the holy trinity of the trance produer, The jp, the virus and the nord. Everyone had this trio. Almost every single arp lead for like a decade was either the jp or the nord mixed with the jp. I suppose later on the virus started making its way as the main sound source but the jp pluck sound is something no other synth really nailed, and that unmistakable dry pluck sound from the NR2 when mixed with the wet JP pluck , that is the sound you are hearing.

http://www.divshare.com/download/16014920-a4b

old track of mine.

lead is the 8080, + nord + virus. Pads virus and 8080, arp is 8080. Bass was 8080 and virus.

with just one osc most synths will sound the same.. espeically VA synths. its the filter, how they detune, whether the envelope curves are convex or concave or linear that starts to shape the sound uniquely

have to disagree. Korg ossilators in their modelling synths sound rather thin. Listen to a pulse oscillator on the Blofeld. The saw on the virus sounds great. They all use wavetable synthesis in that even a sine wave is not a sine wave but a table with values that mimics a sine but for some reason, they just don't sound the same.

Yeh I can definitely notice the osc on my virus sound just a bit beefier and more rugged than say an osc from z3ta. But they also sound warmer and more round. While z3ta sounds colder and more abrasive/thin. However, time and time again bass from z3ta will sit better in a mix and come through clearer while with the virus it tends to "blend" in too much and not really poke through. I really just think its too warm for bass no idea wtf that means.

Than when I heard the osc on the pulse theres a huuge difference compared to the virus. I mean fuck that was one of the first times I think I heard a simple saw osc with nothing done to it and was actually impressed by the sound. But I'm curious does the juno sound better? Is it denser sounding than the pulse? I've been saving money for a while now too did not plan on buying it till early december but would be good to hear what the more experienced ears have to say about that.

the juno 106 sounds great but the pulse has the luxury of being analog yet having a digital interface. And 3 oscillators and just more mod capabilities. It is also alot newer more robust as it is a rack and not really used outside of the studio. .

I think the juno 60 siounded great but then you lose midi. and its old and hard to find one that works great.

The sh101 is a nice bass synth if you are going to get something old and cheap. PRobably get that over the juno but then you have to like the 60 worry about voltage gates and shit.

I know it sounds terribly dumb in first instance but have you tried a roland mc 505 or 808 or 307? You think I'm kidding but really, these roland groove things from 15 years ago really had something.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i would not go so far to say you can't make bass. I even mentioned how you can do that cinema pulsing bass sound rather well but as an all out bass synth, I think you can agree it isn't really its forte. HOnestly, it isn't hard to know if a synth will sound good for bass. Just listen to the pure oscillators without any FX or processing. If they sound full, ie just one oscillator , it will be good for bass. And of course the filter is important . SO mess with those two things. If they sound good, bass will sound good. NI massive , i wouldn't really call a good synth for bass but for some reason , everyone is using it for that formant filter bass sound used in dubstep. It just so happens that the ossilators make a very fx processed bass possible but if you wanted a nice round pluck bass for trance, you would use something else. The waldorf pulse is a tank. It is also analog. Monophonic but that is all you really need for bass. You could buy these for 400-600 about 8 years ago. Not sure if the price has stayed the same gone up or down. What i do know is that germans build things well. And i have nothing against the jp 8080. It is a classic synth that defines trance. It is the trance machine. Dated but still. If you want to collect synths, everyone should have one. That was the holy trinity of the trance produer, The jp, the virus and the nord. Everyone had this trio. Almost every single arp lead for like a decade was either the jp or the nord mixed with the jp. I suppose later on the virus started making its way as the main sound source but the jp pluck sound is something no other synth really nailed, and that unmistakable dry pluck sound from the NR2 when mixed with the wet JP pluck , that is the sound you are hearing. http://www.divshare.com/download/16014920-a4b old track of mine. lead is the 8080, + nord + virus. Pads virus and 8080, arp is 8080. Bass was 8080 and virus.

I have also been using massive and korg legacy collection for bass sounds but I sometimes feel that vsti's sometimes become undone in certain ranges/octaves.

This question is off topic but when you have a lead sound made up of three sounds ( as you do ) what are you using as the master filter? Are you simply recording the three synth parts into your daw on seperate tracks then setting up a good filter plug (send and return) and using that for filter duties on the lead sound?

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Originally posted by Lolo I know it sounds terribly dumb in first instance but have you tried a roland mc 505 or 808 or 307? You think I'm kidding but really, these roland groove things from 15 years ago really had something.

Wow Lolo you made my day by saying this, I have a Roland mc-505 / D2 Groovebox!

no surprise there

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney have to disagree. Korg ossilators in their modelling synths sound rather thin. Listen to a pulse oscillator on the Blofeld. The saw on the virus sounds great. They all use wavetable synthesis in that even a sine wave is not a sine wave but a table with values that mimics a sine but for some reason, they just don't sound the same.

I beg to differ my friend brought a blofeld over and the first thing we did was compare the OSC's to the virus and there is literally no way you could tell in a blind test.

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quote: Originally posted by madmuso I have also been using massive and korg legacy collection for bass sounds but I sometimes feel that vsti's sometimes become undone in certain ranges/octaves.

forget certain ranges/octaves, using a real monopoly, polysix, or ms-20 will make you never want to touch the vsti's again. that being said i have a polysix and still use the vsti at times just because it's fast and easy.

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Originally posted by madmuso man this is tough, today I checked out vids on the juno 106, the mopho, and virus b, all are very nice, they didnt fail to impress in the bass department. I have to find a decent vid on the waldorf. Im starting to think that maybe getting something like the virus b or mopho instead of the juno may be a better option as far as reliability, parts, etc, goes?

As a former 106 owner, I have to agree somewhat with the reliability aspect. I had several issues over the years with mine, mostly buttons being unresponsive when pressed. That was probably just an issue with the contacts needing cleaning, but I had my Juno-6 which I usually used instead. There was an issue that people sometimes had with one of the voices going out. I never had this problem myself.

If you're looking vintage, you might see if you can find a Sequential Circuits Split-8. They have a reputation for being thin, but I find the bass you can produce on them is very clean. The interface takes some getting used to, because unlike the 106 not every parameter had a knob. You have to select the parameter first and then modify it. I bought it specifically for bass, and it was mainly what I used until I bought my nords.

Personally, I like the way Nords handle bass, but not everyone does so you probably have to compare it for yourself. From a reliability aspect I've never had a problem with either the nords or the virus. I own a virus b and other than wanting more onboard memory for program storage I've been happy with it. I use it mainly for pads and atmospheric sounds, but it can do some nice bass, however as I said I prefer to use my nords for bass.

I'm just going to throw this one out there...about 10 or so years ago Novation made a synth called the "Bassstation." I've never owned one, and I find the quality of the knobs and buttons from old Novations wasn't quite up to my standards for a new piece of gear, however second hand I'd probably consider one. They were under 500 then, so by now I'm sure they're "cheap as chips" as the Brits say.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja I beg to differ my friend brought a blofeld over and the first thing we did was compare the OSC's to the virus and there is literally no way you could tell in a blind test.

we'll see if your right about this. Will do a test on the TI and the blofeld when it comes

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Originally posted by Sukhavati As a former 106 owner, I have to agree somewhat with the reliability aspect. I had several issues over the years with mine, mostly buttons being unresponsive when pressed. That was probably just an issue with the contacts needing cleaning, but I had my Juno-6 which I usually used instead. There was an issue that people sometimes had with one of the voices going out. I never had this problem myself. If you're looking vintage, you might see if you can find a Sequential Circuits Split-8. They have a reputation for being thin, but I find the bass you can produce on them is very clean. The interface takes some getting used to, because unlike the 106 not every parameter had a knob. You have to select the parameter first and then modify it. I bought it specifically for bass, and it was mainly what I used until I bought my nords. Personally, I like the way Nords handle bass, but not everyone does so you probably have to compare it for yourself. From a reliability aspect I've never had a problem with either the nords or the virus. I own a virus b and other than wanting more onboard memory for program storage I've been happy with it. I use it mainly for pads and atmospheric sounds, but it can do some nice bass, however as I said I prefer to use my nords for bass. I'm just going to throw this one out there...about 10 or so years ago Novation made a synth called the "Bassstation." I've never owned one, and I find the quality of the knobs and buttons from old Novations wasn't quite up to my standards for a new piece of gear, however second hand I'd probably consider one. They were under 500 then, so by now I'm sure they're "cheap as chips" as the Brits say.

As a piano/keyboard player for over 20 years I know what you mean about not wanting to use the vsti's after playing the old stuff.
I just find that I am more inspired and can come up with sounds more quickly when I have a keyboard in front of me, especialy if it has knobs and sliders.

I have had a look on ebay, cant seem to find a waldorf pulse. I will check out the nord, is there any particular model I should check out?

thanks,

if you can find one in good shape, the roland JD800 is very inspring, and has tons of sliders. It's been my dream synth for years and years.

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Originally posted by Lolo if you can find one in good shape, the roland JD800 is very inspring, and has tons of sliders. It's been my dream synth for years and years.

yeah they are nice, a very good friend of mine has one, its been so long since he has played it that the contacts are starting to give him trouble. I've been thinking to ask if he'll let me borrow it for a while just to check it out, maybe sample a few things from it too.

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Originally posted by madmuso As a piano/keyboard player for over 20 years I know what you mean about not wanting to use the vsti's after playing the old stuff. I just find that I am more inspired and can come up with sounds more quickly when I have a keyboard in front of me, especialy if it has knobs and sliders. I have had a look on ebay, cant seem to find a waldorf pulse. I will check out the nord, is there any particular model I should check out? thanks,

Well, I have the Nord Lead 2 Rack and the Nord Lead 3 Keyboard. They're both different enough sounding that I think it justifiable having both in my studio. The Nord Lead 3 has pretty much replaced every other synth in my studio just because it's so versatile. The thing really is a workhorse, and since you brought up liking an in-depth interface, it's hard to beat it since the rotary LEDs make it very easy to program on because it's so visual.

Soundwise I prefer the 3, but the NL2 can hold its own so don't be dissuaded. The 2 is more in the price range you're looking for. I just checked prepal.com and average price of a NL3 keyboard is $1264. The Nord Lead 2 rack is averaging around $597. Clavia made a NL3 rack, but they don't have it listed. I'm guessing between $600-$800 average for one of those (?)

But if you can try one out first, that's probably best before you buy, especially since you already said you like the virus and those are two different sounding synths. You might not like what you hear from the nord compared to the virus.

Personally, when it comes to the virus compared to the nord I don't really have a preference. I like the nord for certain sounds and the virus for others. Either one is worth having and won't let you down.

im starting to think that due to price, availability, reliability and sound, the dsi mopho is starting to look good. It ticks a fair few boxes

out of curiosity ( i know its out of the topics budget) but has anyone had a play with the moog little phatty? I checked out a few vids on the net and it sounds nice. Anyone here got one or had a play of one?

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