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Originally posted by paulversuspaul ...but because the bad trance is just so downright awful and cheesy it makes anyone with any semblance of taste cringe and worry about being associated with the entire genre..

If you're referring to stuff like this, I agree.
Disagreed on the dutch statement though.

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Originally posted by fredjan If you're referring to stuff like this, I agree. Disagreed on the dutch statement though.

Dont dislike dutch trance, some of it is fantastic, but to me its not really trance or what i think of as trance ie classic german trance, LSG, Eye Q Records, MFS, pre OTAB PVD, The KLF, Humate, etc.

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul They need to change the name of the genre. The shit music they label as trance hasnt put anyone in a "trance" since before the dutch got a hold of the germans last great gift to mankind. Trance is a bad term not because people dont make good trance music, but because the bad trance is just so downright awful and cheesy it makes anyone with any semblance of taste cringe and worry about being associated with the entire genre.

If you are referring to the track by Armin I posted then I agree. And also stuff like. How the fuck are these records even trance? Hell I much preferred it when Ian van Dahl was tagged as trance back in the days after hearing these shit tracks.

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul The KLF

Hardly trance.

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul Dont dislike dutch trance, some of it is fantastic, but to me its not really trance or what i think of as trance ie classic german trance, LSG, Eye Q Records, MFS, pre OTAB PVD, The KLF, Humate, etc.

Yeah, the quality of those tracks + Platipus Records is much higher than that of Dutch Trance.
Actually, 3 songs are up there, but I don't know if they are classified as "dutch trance":
Delerium - Silence (Tiesto Remix)
Tiesto - Suburban Train
Jahn Johnston - Flesh (Tiesto Remix)

I don't know what you would officially call W&W (tunes listed above for example) but I fuckin' dig it. Especially at the club.

Things get difficult with genres... I agree that there needs to be some sort of separation with the new stuff labeled as trance and the older so-called 'real' trance. Would make it easier for all the fanatics out there. But I mean... the new stuff, as well as the old stuff (both that I thoroughly enjoy)... puts me in a trance, just different kinds. Hence the argument for a different label.

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Originally posted by tranceOzone I don't know what you would officially call W&W (tunes listed above for example) but I fuckin' dig it. Especially at the club.

There you go.

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Originally posted by tranceOzone I don't know what you would officially call W&W (tunes listed above for example) but I fuckin' dig it. Especially at the club. Things get difficult with genres... I agree that there needs to be some sort of separation with the new stuff labeled as trance and the older so-called 'real' trance. Would make it easier for all the fanatics out there. But I mean... the new stuff, as well as the old stuff (both that I thoroughly enjoy)... puts me in a trance, just different kinds. Hence the argument for a different label.

They are just electro noise that's what they are. This trance 2.0 shit has nothing to do with trance because it totally detracts from the roots and how it started. Composition wise its the worst piece of shit I've heard in my life. Anyone who embraces this shit is just a bandwagon jumper a sheep. Most of the shit being released on Anjunabeats under this ridiculous trance 2.0 style just sounds like most of their recent releases and mostly all electro house tracks and the same thing with Armada.

I think labelling is important, why do you think Consumer products are labelled it gives the buyer which products to buy or not to buy. Just label this shit as something else and Armin should stop calling himself a trance dj.

What I want to say is that this trance scene is tthe most fucked up one of all EDM.

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Originally posted by Titanium ... just sounds like most of their recent releases and mostly all electro house tracks

And you listen to electro house so you can say this?



Edit: That W&W Moscow track is bullshit by electro house standards. Just sayin'. What I want to say is that this trance scene is the most fucked up one of all of EDM, IMO.

Re: What I want to say is that this trance scene is tthe most fucked up one of all EDM.

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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer And you listen to electro house so you can say this? Edit: That W&W Moscow track is bullshit by electro house standards. Just sayin'. What I want to say is that this trance scene is the most fucked up one of all of EDM, IMO.

Well unfortunately here in Australia Electro house dominates and I tend to hear it everywhere unfortunately. Ahem have you heard the shit from Afrojack and Steve Aioki both of them make the biggest piles of shit and W&W are inspired by these guys.

W&W have nothing to do with trance its only stupid armin van buuren who think they do.

I think trance is called trance because when you listen to it it puts you in a trance.

I don't see how there can be a "trance 2.0"

Its either IS trance or is NOT trance. If a track has elements of trance music but does not put you in a trance like state listening to it then it hardly can be called trance.

There is alot of music not labled trance that puts me in a trance like state. That is no problem. The problem is when guys call something trance that clearly is not.

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Originally posted by Titanium Well unfortunately here in Australia Electro house dominates and I tend to hear it everywhere unfortunately. Ahem have you heard the shit from Afrojack and Steve Aioki both of them make the biggest piles of shit and W&W are inspired by these guys. W&W have nothing to do with trance its only stupid armin van buuren who think they do.

I definitely see what you mean, but there's more to the genre than Afrojack and that dinghy junkie. Some of that genre is actually pretty damn good, and it's a scene which doesn't take itself too seriously, so there's not much bullshit, apart from the superstars of the genre ofc.

Give me some examples of what you think is good electro.

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Originally posted by djnitride I think trance is called trance because when you listen to it it puts you in a trance. I don't see how there can be a "trance 2.0" Its either IS trance or is NOT trance. If a track has elements of trance music but does not put you in a trance like state listening to it then it hardly can be called trance. There is alot of music not labled trance that puts me in a trance like state. That is no problem. The problem is when guys call something trance that clearly is not.

Go to 2 mins 40 seconds keep your volume down



Oh and these guys as well. They are the ones to blame who came up with this stupid term.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/news/aus..._tour_trance_20

Unfortunately Armin has also caught onto it as well unfortunately.




You do have a point there as well, Orkidea posted some tracks on his History of trance facebook page ( http://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfTrance ) and a lot of the tracks he's posted more recent ones have nothing to do with trance with the likes of Eric Prydz, Deadmau5 and Michael Woods and so on. He said he put on there because it has trancy elements. For me it doesn't I don't think they deserve to be there. He posted some recent tracks by Andy Moor and BT which have nothing to do with trance at all.

Orkidea decided to include it on there for some reason he felt it needed to be included.

It's funny how far removed 'trance' has gone from where it was a decade or so ago. It was fun as far as maybe 2003/4 at times but it was obvious that with the mass commercialisation of ASOT & other things that it was only headed for doom. A few artists still make nice things but it's hardly trance. Was on a roadtrip recently & on a cd this came on & even though I hadn't heard it for ages, I totally felt the same thing that I did when I first heard it, a state of mind that was akin to a trance, it's got all the elements you need in the genre imho, repetition to a good level, melody & progression as far as the structure of it goes. When we hit the 'uber breakdown into nothing' phase, things really began to hit the fan.

For anybody who sees umpteen classics cds too, this is a fantastic one for anybody new to the genre (who started listening 2006 & since) to see what it was/should be like

http://www.play.com/Music/CD/-/8/33...ia/Product.html

It doesn't have to mimic these exactly but the usage of things like 303/acid, good melody & the lack of stupid vocals generally is how things work.

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Originally posted by Ian It's funny how far removed 'trance' has gone from where it was a decade or so ago. It was fun as far as maybe 2003/4 at times but it was obvious that with the mass commercialisation of ASOT & other things that it was only headed for doom. A few artists still make nice things but it's hardly trance. Was on a roadtrip recently & on a cd this came on & even though I hadn't heard it for ages, I totally felt the same thing that I did when I first heard it, a state of mind that was akin to a trance, it's got all the elements you need in the genre imho, repetition to a good level, melody & progression as far as the structure of it goes. When we hit the 'uber breakdown into nothing' phase, things really began to hit the fan.

one could argue that the uberbreakdown phase began here

Uber breakdowns in trance started with Acperience 1.

I think it would be more helpful to just abandon the word "trance" to the shit music that has colonised it, and come up with a new term to describe the good music being made today that would once have been labelled trance. Trance, at the end of the day, is just a word. I don't understand why people get so evangelical about it.

^uber breakdowns may have - but so much about that cafe del mar remix carries through to a lot of what still makes so many TAs sook to this very day. the pointless remix of a tune that didnt need it - all stylized like to reach the clubbers of the time. Heck i was a kid whod just started going to underage parties and this shit was the bomb yo :/

but yeah i do agree its just a term. the time for whinging that its all shit is really over - because its definately not all shit at the moment (its quite fantastic).

the names may have shifted a bit but its all still there for those that search :-)

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse ^uber breakdowns may have - but so much about that cafe del mar remix carries through to a lot of what still makes so many TAs sook to this very day. the pointless remix of a tune that didnt need it - all stylized like to reach the clubbers of the time.

Oliver Lieb / Marco V / Hybrid Remixes > Three n One Remix.
Original mix sucked, though.

i wasnt saying it was the best mix - if that were the case then kid paul wins

Trance 2.0 is a load of shit. It does not exist. It's only been coined and made popular by the formerly good artists like Armin, Above and Beyond, Gareth and all those artists with popular shows that need to keep their shows going and appeal to larger masses while still holding on to the name of trance because they don't want to just call it commercial club music or whatever. Fuck that 2.0 shit, trance started dying after 2004 and there was a few tracks in 05-06 that were still trance but anything from 2007 and on has been an embarrassment to the name of trance.

Who cares?

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Originally posted by Ian For anybody who sees umpteen classics cds too, this is a fantastic one for anybody new to the genre (who started listening 2006 & since) to see what it was/should be like http://www.play.com/Music/CD/-/8/33...ia/Product.html It doesn't have to mimic these exactly but the usage of things like 303/acid, good melody & the lack of stupid vocals generally is how things work.

The good thing is that The First Rebirth is on it, the bad thing is that Gat Decor is on it which wasn't seen as trance for many years. Looking back I think it could have been, but it just wasn't. Therefor I don't think it's a good example to show what trance was like.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Who cares?

^this. you don't like it, don't listen to it.

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