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Originally posted by DJ RANN Why has the middle ground completely disappeared? There were plenty of acts in the 90's that made a decent living off dance music - not enough to buy the yacht and retire to the Mediterranean - but enough to pay a mortgage each month and put food in the table.

That's where the piracy takes its toll imo.

Those that were never going to make it won't notice (although they can still blame piracy).

Those that get big still make money from live, endorsements and at least some decent track sales figures.

About 20 years ago I used to co-write trance tracks with a couple of dudes in Surrey who had a pretty neat setup for the time (ADATs, Ataris and a load of synths and ok outboard) and we used to make about �700-100 per track after cutting costs etc. We could do that twice a month if we wanted to without really putting much time into it, just selling to DJs etc. Not enough to live on, but we only met up 2-3 times a month. Had we made the decision to sit in the studio 5 days a week it could have been considerably more, but that still wouldn't have landed us 'the deal' so to speak, it was the wrong time for that big dance market.

You just can't do that now.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Sorry to hear about your condition Passie. I can sorta relate, as I was born with a very mild form of epilepsy that is sometimes classified as petite mal syndrome. I had absence seizures a lot as a kid, but rarely have them anymore and they've become much less intense when I do have them now. Fortunately, there was never any need for medication in my case. I've studied epilepsy quite a bit, so I have a good sense of how debilitating it can be for someone with a more severe form, I can even empathize a bit, and I definitely don't think that you are taking advantage of the system.

Thanks for the understanding ,and good to hear you don't have much problems with it any more.
I have the grand mall attacks with sleepwalking sometimes after the insult.
Then i look like i'm awake but have lsd eyes completely black eyes.
That can take 3 hours and then i wake up and think where am i how did i get here haha
But also consider myself lucky cos i only get 1 insult every 3 months.
There are those who get a grand mall each day

Excuse me topic creator about the off topic.
Just had to explain it a bit to make the readers understand i'm not ill for fun.

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Originally posted by PassiePassion Thus sick pay is NOT a gift but a RIGHT ! Thats the reason they take so much from your salary each month.

isn't there like something in the government you can do ? you guys have like an airforce right ? I mean someone is flying the planes.

Epilepsy seems kinda made up. I mean it isn't something like aspergers that is totally legit and debilitating.

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Originally posted by tehlord That's where the piracy takes its toll imo. Those that were never going to make it won't notice (although they can still blame piracy). Those that get big still make money from live, endorsements and at least some decent track sales figures. About 20 years ago I used to co-write trance tracks with a couple of dudes in Surrey who had a pretty neat setup for the time (ADATs, Ataris and a load of synths and ok outboard) and we used to make about �700-100 per track after cutting costs etc. We could do that twice a month if we wanted to without really putting much time into it, just selling to DJs etc. Not enough to live on, but we only met up 2-3 times a month. Had we made the decision to sit in the studio 5 days a week it could have been considerably more, but that still wouldn't have landed us 'the deal' so to speak, it was the wrong time for that big dance market. You just can't do that now.

Yep a lot has changed over the years.
Imo not only piracy is to blame but it's also cos of development of software.
I worked as sound engineer in a recording studio for a while.
That was at the start of the internet hype.
Before every hardware musician or vocalist ,rap ,singing ,needed a studio.
Then software developed and they could do it in their home.
Then it became a hype and everyone was making music.

And they didn't need a recording studio any more.
So the studio had to quit.
Another thing is vinyl going to cd
I still have a Philips CDR880 ,hardware cd burner looking like a cd player hihi
Most import record shops got broke and stopped
From the 5 i went to in my youth only 1 still exists

On the other side you are able to find many more types of music now.
And can hear a lot of nice experimental productions.
So for making money it went backwards
But for creativity it grew
Just see all those soundcloud links below all the members their names.
Sometimes you hear remarkable things
There just are so many now who create music that it's looking for a needle in a haystack hihi

You know what would be a nice idea hihi
Creating more types of hitparades
So a top 100 for unknown artists on sites like this
That could create a new promotional platform

I liked seeing that royalty statement. That one was is laid out well with all the details. Never saw one that detailed.

I was thinking about posting one of mine, but now I see that's not a good idea. I'm doing better sales wise, but haven't sold enough to get a payout. I'm not really sure what my contract says, but it appears to say I get 50% from "mech" recordings, and less than than that for digital downloads. The sales numbers and royalties don't seem to add up. Last statement I got was well over 100 streams and downloads. Some of the "sales" are digital streaming, and I know that's just pennies per play. I'm not accusing, and I could hire a music lawyer to look over the contracts and royalty statements, but it's just not worth it. This is a well known established label, and I know other producers on the label who have been in it longer than I have.

Anyway, just saying I like the detailed report that was posted here. All mine says is "royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. - xxx amount", it doesn't specify just lumps them all together. Kind of hard to keep track of accounting when it's general like that. The other thing is compilations, not sure if those are counted as a whole, or seperate tracks. That's another one that doesn't seem to add up for me.

Think it would be OK to post current payout balances here, without mentioning labels? Mine would make you all giggle.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I liked seeing that royalty statement. That one was is laid out well with all the details. Never saw one that detailed.

AE statements are very detailed and that is one reason I decided to post it - no scam, no questions, just pure math and there u go.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I was thinking about posting one of mine, but now I see that's not a good idea. I'm doing better sales wise, but haven't sold enough to get a payout. I'm not really sure what my contract says, but it appears to say I get 50% from "mech" recordings, and less than than that for digital downloads. The sales numbers and royalties don't seem to add up. Last statement I got was well over 100 streams and downloads. Some of the "sales" are digital streaming, and I know that's just pennies per play. I'm not accusing, and I could hire a music lawyer to look over the contracts and royalty statements, but it's just not worth it. This is a well known established label, and I know other producers on the label who have been in it longer than I have.

Please do because it sounds a bit strange - you sell lot more than me and get nothing? That cant be right. One thing I noticed - who decided what is the minimun amount they pay? Is it on the contract?

But combining streams/downloads together isn't right. How do you know what you've sold?

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Originally posted by zodiac9 Anyway, just saying I like the detailed report that was posted here. All mine says is "royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. - xxx amount", it doesn't specify just lumps them all together. Kind of hard to keep track of accounting when it's general like that. The other thing is compilations, not sure if those are counted as a whole, or seperate tracks. That's another one that doesn't seem to add up for me. Think it would be OK to post current payout balances here, without mentioning labels? Mine would make you all giggle.

I would love to post the info again, but I decided not to - its nothing to do with AE, just decided to take the info away.

- updated the first post. There u go, detailed info.

werd thread

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen Please do because it sounds a bit strange - you sell lot more than me and get nothing? That cant be right. One thing I noticed - who decided what is the minimum amount they pay? Is it on the contract? But combining streams/downloads together isn't right. How do you know what you've sold?

Far as I can tell the minimum payout is not in the contract. It's 90 euros if I remember right. Here's some of the details of a statement from last year. I'm not mentioning the name of the label.

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royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. 01/2011 -
06/2011 15(tracks) 0,00 EUR

royalties: compilation downloads 5(tracks) 0,32 EUR

royalties: compilation downloads 13(tracks) 0,83 EUR

royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. 01/2011 - 06/2011 22(tracks) 0,16 EUR

___________________________________________________________________


If I'm reading the contract right, I get %35 from digital sales. That's pretty standard for that label, my producer friends had the same experience. I heard they will give 50% for vocal tracks. Well anyway, does the math make any sense in the above statement? Doesn't add up to me, but I can't see them blatantly stiffing me like that. All the contracts together are over 20 pages.

What you see in the above statement is all the detail I get.

i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

Its called dilution, many thousands of others are doing the same thing. Its hard to find the good stuff out there and those who really deserves recognition and money for its music rarely does. The other part is piracy of course, but thats something you have to accept as a producer i guess.

What did Shadow Hearts make?

Does anyone know what something released on itunes makes?

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Originally posted by Deillon And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive

Logic is 200USD in app store. Never been cheaper to be able to make good music.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

most of us (hopefully) do this because its fun, not because we think we can live of it. im never gonna make myself dependant on stupid trends of any kind, get a real job instead, produce for fun.

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Originally posted by Deillon And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive

Supply & demand. There is a lot of demand for software as more and more bedroom producers get into the game, and that's where the bottleneck occurs. The amount of unmarketable music being produced by hobbyists is creating a huge surplus in supply.

But, as clay said, it seems that software is getting cheaper overall, probably due to increased competition in the software world and the fact that the economy is taking so long to recover.

More people buying software than ever. That's very good news for us because that's at least a huge group of people who just give your products a more attentive ear on streaming sites such as youtube and spotify, because their work is in there. That for the least monetizes your work a little bit if you know your way through the internet. The fact that such people pay just two seconds attention to your work means that they make it more valuable than it was the day before.

Back on topic.

I wouldn't like to share my sales figures, too much income still on past sales (like 6-7 years ago), I get maximum 5k per year all in (royalty shares, remix fees and author rights/publishing), so they're irrelevant to you. Once you remove that past, compared to some of yours, they're simply ridiculous . But who cares after all, it's all about the passion you put into the music. I have like 3 part time jobs in the music industry in order to feed my girls, but the music industry is running through my veins.

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Originally posted by Beatflux What did Shadow Hearts make? Does anyone know what something released on itunes makes?

Major label, average cut is about 9 cents for the artist, edm , same breakdown as on beat port. But if you have a fan base, well there is money to be made. Being released regardless of the label or distribution model you chose doesn't guarantee anything. The simple truth is that most people make music that people just don't care about. The ones that do tend to restrict their sales to beat port which is a death sentence.

The I more money being made, more people making a living doing music than any other time in history. There is also a lot of awful artist that just make music people would not even pirate let alone buy.

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen We are closing this company and this years set of accounts by the end of August 2012 which means you MUST submit an invoice using the link below to collect your royalites. You must do this by no later than August 17th. I must again say, second best label i've ever deal with. Best is 5am or Five AM when garreth (emery) and alexis was leading it.

Funnily enough I got an Alter - ego royalty statement last week, with even less profit than yours! It made me laugh to be honest - sure makes you realise how lame a producer you are (me I mean).

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

Do you find it sad that only a tiny minority or actors or authors make money at thier passion?


People expend lots of money on hobbies from painting to fishing, climbing to classic cars.

Nearly everyone on forums is making copycat progressive / electro and whatnot, myself included, so it's hardly surprising only a few producers in the world stand out.



I never get this sad / bitter tonality folk have. Take for example J00F - ok it's niceish music but is it really that original and memorable? To me it sounds worse that Jean Michelle Jarre made in 1975.

Listen to Kraftwerks early stuff around the late 70's. They knew how to make incredible synth sounds and little riffs / arps and so on, but now we all want to make a lame pluck and some lush pads.
I sometimes think we are spoiled with options. Maybe one monosynth is all it takes.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler sure makes you realise how lame a producer you are (me I mean).

I don't think so. You are a really good producer. Just because a track doesn't sell doesn't mean your aren't a good producer.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nearly everyone on forums is making copycat progressive / electro and whatnot, myself included, so it's hardly surprising only a few producers in the world stand out. I never get this sad / bitter tonality folk have. Take for example J00F - ok it's niceish music but is it really that original and memorable? To me it sounds worse that Jean Michelle Jarre made in 1975. Listen to Kraftwerks early stuff around the late 70's. They knew how to make incredible synth sounds and little riffs / arps and so on, but now we all want to make a lame pluck and some lush pads. I sometimes think we are spoiled with options. Maybe one monosynth is all it takes.

Why not just make the stuff that sounds good to you, rather than copy cat techno?

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Originally posted by clay most of us (hopefully) do this because its fun, not because we think we can live of it. im never gonna make myself dependant on stupid trends of any kind, get a real job instead, produce for fun.

Your absolutely right !
And it also does not make any sense to say your a bad producer if you didn't sell a lot.
Sales is all about promotion ,you get known if they invest in your promotion.
That does not mean the quality is good !

There are terrible singers that release songs why ?
Cos they are willing to spread their legs to get released.
Music has always and will always be a friends politics world.

So PLEASE don't put yourself down cos you don't sell a lot.
If a label like Armada would hype you up then you would sell a lot.
Hits are about promotion not about quality !!!
You can buy yourself a dance smash on the radio
10 years ago that was you paying 3000
And then the radio station played your song 6 times a day as their dance smash.
Listeners hear your song so many times that day then that it keeps hanging in their mind.
And then they go buy it cos they want to have the newest releases.

So the song doesn't even have to be a good one.
As long as the promotion is good it will sell.

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Originally posted by PassiePassion So the song doesn't even have to be a good one. As long as the promotion is good it will sell.

I think your music is shit, does this make your music shit?

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Originally posted by Deillon I think your music is shit, does this make your music shit?

To you it does looking at your opinion.
Thats the great thing with taste. hahaha

I am however curious to see your toilet now
Will be a colourful dump there in your house

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Originally posted by Beatflux Why not just make the stuff that sounds good to you, rather than copy cat techno?

I don't copy techno, I make what feels right to me. Like with your shit though, it's hard to sound different.

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