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I'll apologize now for all the misspellings. I should also add that this is totally my opinion. If you don't agree with it, fine, but at least respect that it's my opinion.


Trance isn't dying, it's being diluted to the point where the bad will soon become the status quo.

I got into (I mean really got into) trance about 5 years ago. The first CDs that I ever listened to and got truly sucked into were the early Gatecrasher mixes and Jerry Bonham's first Interpretations CD (seriously, if you don't own it, find it...now.) To this day those CDs do something for me that can't be duplicated by music being produced in the past 18 months.

Try this. Go and listen to any mix from the past year (to help prove my point, listen to any of the AvB - A State of Trance Mixes) then go and listen to Chicane - Live at Palladium. While you're listening to Chicane really listen to it. Listen to the magic that's created by his music, the atmosphere that comes from that. For me, that is thebest live set ever. Nothing could possibily come close to the aura or feeling I get when I listen to it. Now keep that feeling in mind...don't forget that feeling. If you feel even close to how I do then you now see what's wrong with trance now. For as good as any live set spun by anyone is now, it just doesnt compare with what was being done just two years ago! DJ and producers are stuck on making money or making their labels happy by playing their latest presses no matter how bad they really are. So many of these tracks that come out now are plagued with horrible vocals (which should never be there),cookie cutter melodies, and just plain bad production killing what once may have been a decent song.

And yes, there are still some good songs coming out but really think about it. If it's only been two years and things are this different think about the next two years. I'll put my money down that you're gonna have some Britney Spears vs. DJ Tiesto bullshit.

hmmmmm, i agree with some. yes scene is changing, progressing i might say. but in holland and germany trance is still alive.
personally for me, trance is now sounding more and more same. compositions are alike.
it is harder to find beautiful tracks with something original nowadays. and i am still very interested in trance from years 96-99.
best for me. in modern electronic music i more interesred in harder stuff. like new hard trance and hard house.

Recently I got sick a bit from trance,I started thinking :"Damn,why I spend money on CDsif all those artists do is press some buttons in some music prog,and keyboards.I got sick of all the same tunes,nothing new,and this cheese is all around with the same sound and samples and the girl singing,I'm talking about lasgo,Ian van dahl and others.I simply got sick of all electronic music and moved back to "real instruments" music.
I hope there will be some new releases that will addict me to trance again,just like in the 97-2000,when I got addicted to trance to cstart with.
Damn,you have so deep thoughts about trance,you made an entire philosophy,and to think that people say that trancers are dumb people who don't understand music.

A lot of good thoughts here,I think I should contribute also to show that I care about the future of one of my favourite genres of music:

This problem is not new.The overhanging danger of trance growing stagnant has been there ever since epic trance started to decay in the late 90s.But the thing that always saved trance from dying,is the fact that there are always a lot of creative and talented producers out there that continue to deliver the goods.And the evolution to the more progressive forms that happened in 2000 has also helped trance to recover as a genre.Unfortunately,the problem remains.Too many producers are lazy and only want to make money,and hence loads of shit trance gets pumped out every day.But,luckily,the good producers that deliver the goods also remain,consistently giving us the creativity and freshness in trance that is so desperately needed.Hence,I have personally no fear of trance dying yet,since these producers always will be out there,giving us the real deal.And perhaps trance will evolve again if the number of bad trance releases reach the limits of what is tolerable.In that case,let's just hope that it won't go the same way psy-trance did...

And another thing that one should remember is that "dying" is a very subjective statement.Just because one person liked the 99-trance much better than the more subtle and progressive trance tune sthat dominate these days and thinks that these are crap,doesn't mean that trance as a genre is dying.A lot of people here seem to think that trance as a genre is dying when it loses its appeal to them,whcih is quite unfair.Hey,you can't please everyone...

hell no trance isn't dieing, its just beggining!!!!!!!!!

i personally think its in a cycle of fading out right now. i mean i dont even like trance anymore. its appalling to me how generic all the new 3 drives, armin, pvd stuff seems to sound now.
i spose for the 'hard trance' addicts its live and well, but i was never one of those.

pvd fan originally, tiesto and ferry, but tiesto disgusts me now. oakie isnt even a trance dj, he's a just a huge corporation that plays whatever commercial crap he feels like.

with albums like starecase and sasha moving in new directions, melodic and progressive trance fans like myself will have to accept new genres. ive embraced pure breakbeat. some embrace holden.

so i cling to way out west, max graham and silver planet as remainders of the sound i love.

and dont flame me, everything ive heard from armin this past year sounds appallingly the same. same from PUSH/MIKE/Plastic Boy too. HORRIBLE!

listen to ANY trance set recently and tell me it stacks up against magik 6, or pvd live @ home in london 2000 EM

aside from the few gems in the shite like eon - pocket damage, and project exor (etc.) 99% of producers out there are following the same paint by numbers garbage, trying to rip off that ferry corsten synth.

trance (in its basic form) will HAVE to grow outside these lines, or it will perish..

on the other hand, there are just a couple producers who are/nt quite prog but still give me hope.. e.g. mark shimmon, dave swayze..

but the vast majority of trance-y talent has gone absolutely to different varieties of prog. parks & wilson, timo, tarentella & redanka, yunus, futureshock.

that about sums it up, i think.

Blah blah

I'm really fed up with all these north americans that claim they 'discovered' trance 5 years ago and now whine that trance is so dull and uninteresting. Wannabees!! Take this: Europeans do not like all that r&b/hiphop Ja-Rule/Eminem shite coming out of America either!! Trance (either Dutch, German or English) is evolving and very much alive!

I only got into Trance in a big way (got access to broadband from the University ), so I've only really seen this year developing.

Sure, Trance did sound more trancey in 1999, but IMO, a lot of those songs were very samey. They all had a similar synth to them with some vocals on top.

But this year, there have been many different styles of trance going around.. all Trance, but totally different.

And then an utter classic like Sun Decade - I'm alone comes out, and wipes the floor with everything that had gone before.

Trance will evolve. Some wont like it, some new people will appear. It'll balance out in the end.

And as long as this site keeps going, the hardcore group of elitists will remain.

bah, i think you all are nostalgic about 90's trance. There was just as much shit produced then as there is now!!

I listen to good trance produced now and then, I will keep listening to all of my tracks until i grow sick of it, thats when trance dies for me!

Everyone likes to press the panic button and say that their favorite thing is going to end, well ya know what, stop listening to it then, I don't care.

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Originally posted by davinox bah, i think you all are nostalgic about 90's trance. There was just as much shit produced then as there is now!! I listen to good trance produced now and then, I will keep listening to all of my tracks until i grow sick of it, thats when trance dies for me! Everyone likes to press the panic button and say that their favorite thing is going to end, well ya know what, stop listening to it then, I don't care.

Exactly. You forget the shit tunes.

In 2004 we'll be saying "Why cant trance be like it was in the magical year of 2002. All thats done now is shit!!".

Then we'll have this thread again.

Hear,hear!!

Word.I couldn't agree more with both of you.

Re: Is trance dying?

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Originally posted by rajay I live in LA and all the major clubs out here play more house/progressive than anything. Big house DJs draw the largest crowds. I go out a lot and i hadnt heard a trance dj in about 8 months until last week when i saw Armin van Burren at the Myan. It was a cool show but i just never really got that into it.

Just because house draws bigger crowds doesn't make it any better. Hell I'm sure that Britney Spears gets more of a crowd than many trance shows but that doesn't change the fact that she's crap. Around my area the scene is mostly euro and freestyle (ewww) but I really couldn't care less because while others listen to Lasgo's new track or Milc Inc. or whatever i'm at home pumping my Van Buuren, Van Dyk, Tiesto and whatever else trance-related that I like. I've gotten lots of people into trance but others who hear it and tell me it sucks are entitled to their opinion and I respect that. Realize that trance IS underground, house is more mainstream and is played in more clubs but trance is like a hidden treasure that we have discovered .

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At the end of the night i came to the conclusion that trance is to electronic music as punk is to rock. It follows the same basic equation in almost every song - for trance its a chord or two with a gang of synths and about 140 BPM behind it for punk- its a few chords strung together with the same basic beat and some vocals.

Ye all songs of a genre pretty much follow the same basic equation and since there are millions of songs out there in hundreds of thousands of genres and sub-genres you can't really blame a producer for making a song that sounds like another one.

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It seems as if the whole scene is moving away from trance and more towards house/progressive/breaks. Look at oakenfold and sasha's new album- none of them were ever trance djs but the trancey elements of their music was removed in their last albums and replaced by breaks. (I know everyone hates Oakenfold but he is one of the most influential people in electronic music) Trance songs are increasingly sounding more and more alike and i think artists are begining to look at other genres to pick up where trance leaves off and people like me are making the same evolution. Its almost as if everyone has been painting with watercolors and are now begining to discover oil paints and sculptures. Does anyone feel as if electronic music is evolving into something different which strays from trance?

Some DJ's move into other styles of trance or completely change their genre but that doesn't change anything with trance. Trance is good as it is with amazing DJ's and fresh faces popping up all the time. I don't think that the scene is dying at all in fact just a couple of days ago I picked up about 20 random, new trance tunez and they mostly rocked. So when I download 20 new songs from AVB or any other good DJs and they all suck then trance is dead till then it is alive and kicking.

PREACH ON FATHER!!!!!!

I see a great role for Push in the next few years. His remix of 'Troy (phoenix From The Flame)' did very wel in our charts. He seems to have ascended to a higher level.
What we need is new artists, new producers who evolve to higher levels. There is great room for progress in the genre. The 'Perfect Track' has not been produced, but if any genre will evolve to lead to the most beautiful music ever, I think it will be trance, since classical is confined by it's instrument sounds.
I'm talking a hundred, two hundred years from now.

Trance is Dying

Oh well, if you feel that trance is dying and Armin is playing the same old fucking PUSH/Mike blah blahs alike sounding tunes.....then why the hell are you still lurking on the forums? No pun intended but the number of you senior tranceaddicts who have been here since years back...claiming how beautiful the muzik was to you.....now....you broadened your radius to explore different realms of electronic music....all I see is progressive converts who have migrated to GU board and mingle with the crowd there....sure....why not? Progressive is just as enjoyable as Trance.

What formulas are there? There has to be a foundation to every structure. That defines the landmark of electronic music which makes it easier for people to classify. Certain elements has to be there to make it sound right.

Half the bunch of you are here either to sneak in the the you-know-what-area and checking out the latest productions. Why? Is it because trance has always been in your blood or you are just here to diss the latest track?

Without the invention of strings, drum instruments since the primitive age, do you reckon we would have electronic music at all? Simple theory of evolution. Every thing, behaviour or tangible/intangile assets evolve. Not to mention, music is an audio-sensory feeling. To say that any genre of music is dying/has died is simply passe.

The producers out there are trying to connect to us with their music. You listen and you feel. If it doesn't cut out to you, fuck it. Choose another genre. Take it like a new season of your favourite sitcom.

There is more to trance than anyone will ever know....that's my theory. Trance has always been in my blood since 1996 and it'll always be the only genre that keeps me alive.

Oh yeah, for those who has been dissing Tiesto, you ought to really delete any Tiesto song you have, burn the vinyls he produced/remixed you once own. ( clearly you set your mind that he's no longer the person he used to be ) Huk. Oh yeah, you don't even deserve to sell them on Ebay or here. Why make some money off someone you hate so much. Have some business etiqutte.

Enuff said....all these bullshit about how memorable 99 was...True tranceaddicts would take out any tune and enjoy it no matter where they are....

If you decided to sober up on Trance.....kudos to you....start your addiction on other genres....as many people here have clearly stated that Trance is still alive and kicking and the chances of dying are second to none....

Trance is immune to death

P/S All your theories crack me up!

yes 1999 was a good year for trance... I agree. but guess what .. just have a look at how many "original" tracks were produced this year. And how many DJ's such as Armin have really gone big just by playing trance. And don't forget that trance is not just what holland/uk produces but how about the russian/israeli front? Psychedelic trance has been around for ages, not many producers but look what some israeli dj's still spin and the crowds they attract to parties such as brotherhood.
Some people are switching to house or hard house personally I find house impossible to dance sober and hard house too repetitive (and some people here say that trance is repetitive). I've been to a live event with deep dish and was so fucking sad to see that the beat never changed for the whole 4 hours they were playing. What the hell? why do people like that crap anyways. I believe what some people pointed out here that in couple of years we'll be listening to trance and say how good were the old says, but I'm sure we'll say the same 2 years after that as well.

And no comment about the older trance songs being remixed. Thats not a sign of a decline but a sign of the fact that some older songs still have potential to appeal today if slightly tweeked. Referring to UK people just look how many stupid pop singles got in your charts this year that used to be 80's songs (Will Gay Young, Gareth Gay, Atomic Kittens et al..), does that mean pop won't exist in a few years? I doubt that.

And as last point.. its the people who drive whats being produced and not the producers, recordlabels or dj's. If we stick to trance they will produce and spin more trance, if we slip to another genre so they will.

TRANCE

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Originally posted by extepan no, trance is not dying, it is huge in japan, that's why ayumi hamasaki is releasing so many trance albums and IMHO trance is still big in uk, and house has been dead for 10 years already. that's why M People are not selling anymore :-< (i used to like M People)

X Press 2 (Lazy hits #2 in the UK)
Tim Deluxe (It Just Won't do in the top 20)
Mint Royale (Sexiest man in Jamaica in the top 30)
Roger Sanchez (Another Chance #1)
Dave Lee (Regularly charting with the Jakatta and Raven Maize guises)
mmm...don't see how what you said can be true (assuming we are using chart places as an objective measure of selling records).

As for trance dying....

well I do feel it can be traced (to a certain extent) to producers producing very cookie cutter, uninspiring tracks (many of the Flip n Fill, Fragma, Darude (post Sandstorm), DJ Aligator, etc.) and while these do get high chart positions and loads of radio play, it's not the same because most of these people are listening to these tracks on a regular basis are not the same audience who put great deal into the type of music they are listening to so much as they choose it simply because it's what everyone else is listening to (much like Lemmings)and it's obvious that these aren't the people who are going to be paying great deals of money to go to clubs (as we know them) on a regular basis, shelling out loads of money for vinyl and CDs, etc.

However, another effect, I feel is that there is great deal of elitism in effect. Those who have been around when the scene was in its infancy cannot bear this loss in quality, thus they leave the scene for prog (most of them) because it's still in its infancy, relatively unfettered by the "evil of commercialism" (which I think is bullshit). By leaving the scene, they leave it to those who refuse to support it and it dies (for an example, just see why Cream closed)

Personally, while I am disturbed with the number of dance music by numbers tracks, I don't feel it is as much as a danger to trance as mindless elitism.

trance may not die

As someone said before in the thread.

�����Trance Forever!!!!!

I like trance since 97 or so. Since then, getting new MP3's and listening to them. Its been so fantastic to me. Almost everybody disgust my music, I mean, nobody likes it here (in Mexico), tehy all start saying so many childish comments I dont want to remember.

I went this summer to Europe. Went to "Motion!" and "Gate One", both in Switzerland, and also to the "Love from Above" and the "Love Parade". And......

I found how great TRANCE is

Listening to it is so enjoyable. But is better if done live. You lucky guys that live in Europe shouldnt cry because you think trance music is dying. Its always an evolution. Compare today's classic trance to 98 or 99's trance. Its very different! And so on, 00, 01... But do you notice you have always loved trance? I do, and Im always adapting to newer trance styles. I think this evolution is what keeps trance alive.

Maybe you dislike it because you live with trance almost every day. You all have the chance!! I wish I also have it. If it seems boring to you, let it a few days and you'll be dying to hear some trance, as I am now. Damn.... I want, and I will go to Europe to stay, someday (being more specific, to Germany).

Again.... ��TRANCE FOREVER!!

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis You live in LA, that's your problem.. If you move to a Trance nation like...Holland, Germany, Australia, UK etc. Then you'll know that Trance has been left unscathed.

lol... or Toronto, Canada!!!!

Here... last year, Progressive really started to steal the spotlight but now Trance is taking it all back!

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Originally posted by DJ Sinergy Well.. I have to say I cant agree with trance dieing... this have been a rumour floating around for awhile now. I must admit the beginning of 2002 didnt look very good.. there were more remixes than original tracks available... but this is changing very quickly! I have been vinyl shopping twice in the last 3 weeks and I have to say for the first time this year I picked up a tonne of tracks! First week 20 tracks last weekend another 18... there is some GREAT stuff coming out right now. Trance Forever!@! peace

I totally agree with you on this. As far as Trance dieing, i think it's all a matter of personal interest. In time peoples interest change... myself i can't see my interest in Trance changing anytime soon unless all that comes out is just pure cheeze. All i have to say is that I LOVE TRANCE... and songs like Frank T.R.A.X. - "Nebuchan( O.R.G.A.N. remix)" and Tour de Trance - "Wan Wu" are keeping me trapped in with no escape in sight.

Now an electronic music that's having a bad period of time right now is Drum N Bass/Jungle.

Well trance is not dying....
Oakenfold is the master!

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Originally posted by JAV If it seems boring to you, let it a few days and you'll be dying to hear some trance, as I am now. Damn....

i was just gonna say that

Trance will never die since we still have our classics and the songs that are being made as we speak. If it does "die" like you say then people will still listen to it. Music styles have "died" but it doesn't mean that people don't still listen to them. Every one keeps mentioning 99 for some reason, it was ana amazing year for trance but why not look at now and not just years gone by.


Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Marco V Mix)
Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (John '00' Flemming Mix)
Gouryella - Ligaya
Josh Gabriel - Wave 3
Oceanlab - Sky falls Down
Sun Decade - I'm Alone (Mirco De Govia Vocal Mix)
Sun Decade - I'm Alone (Mirco De Govia Dub Mix)
Sun Decade - I'm Alone (Ronski Mix)
Warrior - Drame (not it's real name but I like it better so to me it's still Drama)
Yoji Biomehanika - Ding A Ling (Scott Project Mix)


Just a few off the top of my head can someone please add more to show trance ain't dying

dudes, despite what you think about trance, it isn't dying.

it's getting more commercial, like almost anything after it has been around for awhile. duran duran/madonna was once considered underground.

well, i guess it depends on what you mean by "dying".

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Originally posted by cheesenip i think the "elite" tranceaddicts would love to see trance go underground. They wouldn't have to complain about "CHEESE" or "commercial" trance anymore. It's better for you anyways hehe

Trance is underground... there are hundreds of groups that play trance in the underground... Of course you have the more mainstream traditional trance like Dumonde, Ferry Corsten, etc... and the so called poptrance like DJ Sammy, but there is an underground... just wait for the poptrance and traditional trance to fade, and you'll be left with the trance underground.

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Originally posted by extepan no, trance is not dying, it is huge in japan, that's why ayumi hamasaki is releasing so many trance albums and IMHO trance is still big in uk, and house has been dead for 10 years already. that's why M People are not selling anymore :-< (i used to like M People)

I dunno about anybody else's feelings about the Ayumi thing... but I think the trance remixes of Ayumi illustrate who's into trance for the money... I think any real trance artists wouldn't be remixing pop singers from Japan, esp considering they probably dont even understand the language or the song...

Ayumi is after all about as popular as Modonna in Japan & parts of Asia... It's sad to see trance composers cashing in on her popularity for a quick buck... but then again, I dont usually listen to those trance artists anyways, I prefer something more real...

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