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Surely the entire geothermal cycle is necessary to the process of combustion! Ice sheet friction had to have been a pertinent step to the coalescence of oxygen byproduct that lead to our ability to discover and kindle exothermic reactions in the first place.

I meant in a philosophical sense! Bad philosophy, no less.

opposites=parts of oneness, man.

Yeah. YEAH. *thrusts groin*

How appropriate for the thread that it reeks of Icy Hot!

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Originally posted by Miss Pie I knew it! I totally figured out who Jon Snow's real parents are too!

Well, I don't even know if what you said was true as I haven't really gotten past the third book. But I kind of came to a similar conclusion you did.

At least the idea that Jon and Danny are the two forces that bring balance to the land of Westeros once again.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Is this good, or bad? I mean, I really like fantasy novels - LOTR is a pretty good story and all, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST so much irrelevant detail. Family heritages, etc. Too damn dry. I'm a pretty big fan of Terry Goodkind, even though he gets pretty fucking preachy in his later books, but whatever.

Goodkind is a fucking champion. Totally agree on the preachyness though. I caught myself skimming through like half a book because it's just Zedd giving a fucking lecture

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Originally posted by Miss Pie It's very good. Very good. The detail and depth of family histories is so essential to the plot. Everyone's lives are interwoven - no choice made by any character is insignificant. Things happen later in the story and you find yourself recalling something from the earlier chapters and saying "Aha!"

Okay, I think I might give it a shot then. I've really been wanting to get into some more fantasy stuff.

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Originally posted by chris1011 Goodkind is a fucking champion. Totally agree on the preachyness though. I caught myself skimming through like half a book because it's just Zedd giving a fucking lecture

Yeah, I love all the books (the first 2 and the Chainfire books especially), but he just goes over the top with the whole 'capitalism vs. communism' social comparisons between the Order and the 'free world' and it gets a bit stupid to read. Absolutely outstanding characters throughout the whole thing though.

Re: Fire & Ice

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Originally posted by OrangestO In your opinion, what do these two words symbolize?

Game of Thrones hardcore fans

Fire:


Ice:

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Originally posted by Big Worm the first 3 books are really good... somewhat ponderous reading at times, but good nonetheless. george rr martin spares no detail, i promise you that. the series starts to go downhill somewhat in book 4. i still haven't gotten my hands on the 5th book (a dance with dragons) primarily because my sister has said it "sucks total donkey dick." ultimately, the series is supposed to go 7 books, but fans are unsure whether or not grrm will live long enough to finish it off.

No offense but your sister doesn't get it. The first 3 are without a doubt the best of the series thus far (with book 3 just being an epic roller coaster from start to finish) but books 4 and 5 are the necessary to slow the pace down before the madness. I compare the series to a hurricane, with books 4 and 5 (which happen at the same time primarily, keep in mind) being the eye of the hurricane and 6 and 7 (and if any follow that) being the tail end of the hurricane.

Obviously I'm not going to spoil anything but there's some great revelations in book 5 and engrossing character arcs. The thing that really held the book back from being as memorable as the first 3 is that the story dragged on a bit, but that's necessary given the location of certain characters and where they're travelling. Give GRRM credit for not sacrificing logic for writers convenience. Everything has to fit into a timeline. Because of that, it drags and isn't on the same level as the first 3.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Is this good, or bad? I mean, I really like fantasy novels - LOTR is a pretty good story and all, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST so much irrelevant detail. Family heritages, etc. Too damn dry. I'm a pretty big fan of Terry Goodkind, even though he gets pretty fucking preachy in his later books, but whatever.

He tends to delve into a little too much detail about insignificant shit like what some meat tastes like, the smell of the air, etc etc. I found myself skimming certain parts of chapters when he would go on like that.

However, the strength of these books are the characters, their personal stories, and the overall plot of the series. Family and world history are incredibly interesting as well because it's all relevant to the present (in the books) in one form or another. The only similarities between LOTR and ASoIaF are that they're fantasy, and even that's a stretch because the fantasy aspects of ASoIaF are kind of in the background. People in that world don't really believe in it because it ceased to exist a long time ago (as far as they know).

It's WAY more mature than LOTR, and much more complex.

I've always heard the phrase used to describe people who dwell in extremes of temperament or inner-personal intensity. Fire is typical of someone when their anger rises or when they become passionate about someone or something. Ice indicates apathy or aloofness pertaining to the individual's theoretical focus. It indicates that there is no middle ground to the gamut of attributed emotion experienced by the individual.

The stereotypical coquette, who seems to fluctuate between arousal and ambivalence concerning her suitors, runs hot and cold. I've had bosses who idolize specific employees, in a phenomena those of us who had worked under them regarded as the "golden boy syndrome". Inevitably, the golden boy (or girl) would do something to disappoint them and then there were grumblings about the necessary paper-work needed to terminate them. That pattern of ideation and devaluation is something I would describe with this phrase.

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