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Originally posted by Magnetonium And you really think that American public will support a war against Iran? After what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq?

you honestly think the Neocons care about what the American people actually want/think? Americans people for the most part didn't want to go to Iraq either but look what happened.

Now things are beginning to make sense as to why our crime minister decided to pull out their staff from Iran due to a "major threat".. They are well aware that Israel is going to bomb the shit out of Iran.

US ambassador to Libya is dead and they are gonna bomb Iran.
Ahh, american logic, just like 11 years ago.

I never understood this move by Canada . Why not leave the door to diplomacy open ? Just because you have an embassy doesn't mean you support or oppose that particular government .
I don't see how people compare Shahs regime to this brutal dictatorship !! Shah never had public hangings of homosexuals and he gave women their equal share .
What the Shah and his father created these mullahs have destroyed in their 33 years ....all in the name of islam !!
Canada is supposed to be a world leader in diplomacy and peacekeeping, but these actions are unjust .
Does anyone else find it ironic that Canada announced this move when TIFF was releasing Argo LOL ?? The movie is about the Iranian Revolution and how a few Americans escaped to the Canadian embassy in Tehran .

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Originally posted by Nima I never understood this move by Canada . Why not leave the door to diplomacy open ? Just because you have an embassy doesn't mean you support or oppose that particular government . I don't see how people compare Shahs regime to this brutal dictatorship !! Shah never had public hangings of homosexuals and he gave women their equal share . What the Shah and his father created these mullahs have destroyed in their 33 years ....all in the name of islam !! Canada is supposed to be a world leader in diplomacy and peacekeeping, but these actions are unjust . Does anyone else find it ironic that Canada announced this move when TIFF was releasing Argo LOL ?? The movie is about the Iranian Revolution and how a few Americans escaped to the Canadian embassy in Tehran .

+1

I think many Iranians are on the same page as you including myself and we just cant understand why Canada has deiced to shut all diplomatic doors to Iran...

Maintaining diplomatic relations =\= supporting a repressive regime.

Severing diplomatic relations = ending all possible dialogue with insiders and outsiders there.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer +1 and we just cant understand why Canada has deiced to shut all diplomatic doors to Iran...

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Now things are beginning to make sense as to why our crime minister decided to pull out their staff from Iran due to a "major threat".. They are well aware that Israel is going to bomb the shit out of Iran.

i think you answered your own question quite accurately. i see no other reason

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Originally posted by Sentinal now im reaching for the popcorn...........

did you made this thread to hear others opinions about event that could possibly be a prelude to ww3, or to make stupid comments like that one??

i apologize in advance but that post is not cool, at all.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Nonsense. Israel is a tiny nation of 5 million people, while Iran is a very spacious gigantic country of over 70 million. Or something like that, but thats not the point. Israel cannot destroy Iran (albeit using nuclear weapons), they lack the arsenal, logistics, support and money to do so. There's absolutely no point in destroying Iran. They have no intention of destroying any nation in the region - Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Syria have not been wiped off the map, man! ... well, apart from the Palestinian statehood (but that's another topic)

Say whaaaaaaaaaaat?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War


I strongly disagree with you.

Israel would easily defeat Iran.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you honestly think the Neocons care about what the American people actually want/think? Americans people for the most part didn't want to go to Iraq either but look what happened.

Bush is long gone, if thats what you're referring to. Please don't tell me that you think Neocons are still running the country. Obama is much more rational, and Iran is not Saddam's Iraq or Taliban's Afghanistan. Iran has ballistic missiles, organized military, huge weapons stockpiles and plenty of loyal citizens. And its much bigger in size, has plenty of rough terrain, and even has a navy (BONUS!).

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Now things are beginning to make sense as to why our crime minister decided to pull out their staff from Iran due to a "major threat".. They are well aware that Israel is going to bomb the shit out of Iran.

I highly doubt that Israel is going to launch a direct attack on Iran. Iran will hit back hard.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Say whaaaaaaaaaaat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War I strongly disagree with you. Israel would easily defeat Iran.

Iran does not border Israel. 6-Day-War involved Israel's neighbours. I don't think that Israel is going to send troops across Syria/Iraq to land in Iran for ground operations. Iran has very rugged terrain and tough resistance. Recall how Saddam's well armed troops got beaten by a weaker internationally isolated under-armed Iranian side in the 80's?

Also, that was in 1967. Things have changed a lot since 1967 in the region. Iran, for one, is a lot stronger than before.

30.000 strong army vs. 1000 freedom fighters. And they still lost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Recall how Saddam's well armed troops got beaten by a weaker internationally isolated under-armed Iranian side in the 80's?

I don't know man from where I was back then, we did look beat up in the end of it all. Let the truth be told. half a million died for Bull shit...

I think you're reading the wrong History books lol

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Originally posted by exraver 30.000 strong army vs. 1000 freedom fighters. And they still lost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

hezbollah are freedom fighters?

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Originally posted by Shaya007 I don't know man from where I was back then, we did look beat up in the end of it all. Let the truth be told. half a million died for Bull shit... I think you're reading the wrong History books lol

Iran did get beat up by Saddam, because Saddam used brutal tactics against Iran. He sent hundreds of Scuds against Tehran alone, killing many civilians. Many Iranian civilians were captured, tortured, killed and their skulls taken back to Iraq. Then Saddam used chemical weapons against Iranian troops. Iranian infantry was sometimes so short on ammunition, they charged into battles with nothing but fists and empty guns. But in the end, Saddam was forced to retreat, and Iran won. Iranians fought hard and persevered, against all odds. While Syrians often ran away from IDF forces, Iranians didn't. I am not praising the Islamists, I am just noting their bravery.

Invest in weapons manufacturing and profit. I approve of all of this.

lol at Harper receiving a World Statesman of the Year
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/p...?service=mobile

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty did you made this thread to hear others opinions about event that could possibly be a prelude to ww3, or to make stupid comments like that one?? i apologize in advance but that post is not cool, at all.

Don't apologize, you know me personally and the problem with online posts is the absence of contextuality in comments and how they can be misinterpreted.

The popcorn comment is in light that this topic has generated a good conversation that is not only enlightening but respectful at the same time which was the purpose of the thread, and in all honesty an anomaly on TA. No apologies needed my friend...

On a side note: What I find interesting is the very close poll results regarding the opening question. Certainly some different perspectives, but I'm left asking one question since you mentioned WW3......when we look back on this time period, we will say this is the beginning of WW3 or has WW3 already started? Think about it the Arab Spring, the world economy, and the crisis in the middle east. The absence of nuclear deployment does not necessarily mean that in fact a great war (large war for context purposes) has not already begun. This was a conversation I had with somebody at work, and was quite interesting to hear....

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Originally posted by exraver 30.000 strong army vs. 1000 freedom fighters. And they still lost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

really?

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"The conflict is believed to have killed around 1,300 Lebanese people,[42][43][44][45] and 165 Israelis.[46] It severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[47] and 300,000�500,000 Israelis.[25][48][49] After the ceasefire, some parts of southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to Israeli unexploded cluster bomblets.[50]"

this reminds me of the baath party claiming victory during the 2003 US iraq invasion.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Iran does not border Israel. 6-Day-War involved Israel's neighbours. I don't think that Israel is going to send troops across Syria/Iraq to land in Iran for ground operations. Iran has very rugged terrain and tough resistance. Recall how Saddam's well armed troops got beaten by a weaker internationally isolated under-armed Iranian side in the 80's? Also, that was in 1967. Things have changed a lot since 1967 in the region. Iran, for one, is a lot stronger than before.

Yes,

Israel has nuclear weapons now.

Trust me. The war would be over quick if it came down to it. Although i seriously seriously doubt they would even need to ponder in that direction for a clear decisive victory.

Let history speak for itself.

Israel knows better than to launch a strike on Iran !! The entire region would be on Irans side and they would isolate Israel even more !!
Netanyoohoo is in Canada and the US every other week just begging for our help . Bottom line is that Israel has not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and they are the biggest war mongerers out there .
Obama is a very rational man , unlike the republican rednecks before him . He knows that any change in Iran has to happen within .

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Originally posted by jchung52 lol at Harper receiving a World Statesman of the Year http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/p...?service=mobile

What a joke, Harper won the award largely because of his support for Israel and his criticism of Iran and thats about it.

I am frankly happy this is happening.

My views have changed a lot in the last couple years. Islam is a cancer of the brain. Wherever it goes,, everything turns to shit.

These leaders in Iran must be ostracized and weakeneded and choked as much as possible from the world so that they can be overthrown.

Not only have they caused suffering outside its borders through proxy interests Like (Hezbollah)... They have ruined Iran.. A country rich in resources and intellect.

All they care about is spreading that death cult Saudi Arabian ideology of Islam. They don't care about anything but spending money on Hezbollah and syria while people have become poor and hungry within their own orders.

They have crushed the potential of the Persian nation. It's a sad embarrassment really... With such an open minded history and culture, Persians are forced to live like desert Arabs becuase a few ugly turban wearing shit fucks think they should becuase they have the powers to force that lifestyle.

Nobody likes them there or here.

They must go and fuck themselves

^^^

I think you're confusing Islam and radical extremism. Islam isn't the problem, the extremists operating under the shroud of religion is the problem.

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Originally posted by LightsOut ^^^ I think you're confusing Islam and radical extremism. Islam isn't the problem, the extremists operating under the shroud of religion is the problem.

It's both. Islam is forceful barbaric and perceived literally unlike Judaism and Christianity which has evolved into spirituality.

I'm an atheist and admit my bias towards organized religion... But Islam is something else. It is a way of life .

Look at every single nation in the world that is Muslim.. Compared to secular nations.

The Muslim ones are SHITTY and the secular ones are not.

I'm Persian and iran has become shitty in the last 30 years. Hmm I wonder why...

Islam is the root of radical extremism.

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