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Originally posted by itsamemario You're fucking delusional. Who exactly am I arguing with here, except you?

It's film in Ireland as well, and I would suppose you're arguing with everyone who is disagreeing with you. If you can't find your own answer based on their responses, then it appears that you are the delusional one here.

I feel like it's the same as referring to records as "vinyl"

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Originally posted by itsamemario I'm pulling a big blank on "NA cinema", so I'm gonna await commenting until you can elaborate, cus I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with native americans. While the terms film and movie, came about independently, and initially had the same meaning, they are terms that have evolved as to more clearly describe what type of cinema you are watching. And these are the terms used by those that discuss movies on a professional level. I don't give a fuck about what terms Joe Bloggs use, as Joe Bloggs is always ignorant and wrong.

North America. Again nothing you say is wrong except when applied outside of north america. The term doesn't exist. And you are having a discussion with people that are from are not from north america.

I also think you will find the word film used in academic circles because that is term that would translate among all english speaking nations ie the correct term. movie is american vernacular. You don't use slang in academic texts.

Not to mention that this distinction between "low art" (movies) which is primarily entertaining and "high art" (films) that should make you think is fucking useless these days. And I'm not talking about Lady Gaga's approach to this. Some films, like Verhoeven's, use straight up B-movie aesthetics yet if you "turn your brain off" you're probably going to miss a lot of what's going on there. On the other hand, some arthouse films can look sophisticated if they use enough long shots and their narration is "emptied", but there actually may be nothing worth examining under this surface.

Or perhaps the correct argument should be that some art/avant-garde films can also be simply entertaining.

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Originally posted by itsamemario In Norwegian, the word Kino can be used to refer to both the movie theatre and the type of motion picture, as in the term "kino-film".

Source? Kino is short for "kinematograf" and is just the place where the movie is shown. If a movie is a "kino-film" that probably only means that it's been shown at the theatre and didn't go directly to dvd. I've never heard anyone use the term so I wouldn't know. Where in Norway are you from?

Apparently the part where people marry their direct relatives.

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Originally posted by Redd Source? Kino is short for "kinematograf" and is just the place where the movie is shown. If a movie is a "kino-film" that probably only means that it's been shown at the theatre and didn't go directly to dvd. I've never heard anyone use the term so I wouldn't know. Where in Norway are you from?

Oslo represent.

"kino-film" means a type of movie that you go see at a cinema, ie movie with popcorn and i know loads of people who uses this term in this way.. Might be a �stlands-specific term if you haven't heard it in Bergen.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney North America. Again nothing you say is wrong except when applied outside of north america. The term doesn't exist. And you are having a discussion with people that are from are not from north america. I also think you will find the word film used in academic circles because that is term that would translate among all english speaking nations ie the correct term. movie is american vernacular. You don't use slang in academic texts.

Ok, maybe I was thinking of elitist movie reviewer forums, then! :P

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Originally posted by Adam420 I feel like it's the same as referring to records as "vinyl"

I'd argue it's more like when to use 'track' and 'song', or something along those lines

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Originally posted by itsamemario Oslo represent. "kino-film" means a type of movie that you go see at a cinema, ie movie with popcorn and i know loads of people who uses this term in this way.. Might be a �stlands-specific term if you haven't heard it in Bergen.

I think I see what you mean. I guess I use the same expression, but it's not related to what you're arguing about here (the difference between movie and film). A "kino-film" is a movie with cinematography best viewed in a theatre, not necessarily a movie that makes you think. Like the movie Battleship. It's just action with a lot of eye-candy, fast action and effects. Same with Transformers.

I would still argue we only have the word "film" for movies though.

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Originally posted by itsamemario I'd argue it's more like when to use 'track' and 'song', or something along those lines

but song has a specific meaning. A song has words. A track can be instrumental.

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Originally posted by Redd Like the movie Battleship. It's just action with a lot of eye-candy, fast action and effects. Same with Transformers.

I feel like I repeat myself here quite often, but please stop thinking this.

Nothing is "just action" or "eye-candy". Through the way the action is staged, edited and narrated (yes, even action sequences are small "stories" on their own) films always communicate something.

Like, a really simple example from Battleship is that it is very important that the confrontation with aliens is framed in a "game" environment. What usually happens in films with alien invasion is that they immediately attack us without our knowing why, or there is a reason but the act of aggression from their side is inevitable. In Battleship, the aliens are not unambigously established as villains, rather their offensive action is a response to the decisions of us/humans who simply assume they're dealing with someone hostile - just like we, the viewers, assume that they are evil aliens based on our knowing of genre conventions.

Battleship quite cleverly subverts this clich� and blurs the line between good and evil while still remaining a blockbuster movie.

I thought battleship broke some serious ground in how bad a movie can be. I mean even with a big budget and somewhat competent actors, the end result was staggering. It was essentially independence day framed in some weird Hasbro board game universe.

You might as well say "Battleship was a miss!" (DO HO HO) and feel all smart and superior about it.

i was blown away, by how bad it was on so many levels. how was that.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney but song has a specific meaning. A song has words. A track can be instrumental.

But still you have people calling classical pieces for string quartet a song, all the time. And that goes back to my point on Joe Bloggs/Man in the street. People also call SHM techno. Doesn't make it any more true.

I feel like films and movies are different, because of what they set out to do, and because it surpasses genre. I understand not everyone here agrees with me, and I've posted an excerpt of an article to back up my point, so obviously someone agrees with me. Maybe the segregation of the terms is something that has happened too recently for some people to take notice, I don't fucking know. But what I do know, is that you wouldn't have phrases like "a movie that tries to be a film" without there being a difference in meaning of those words.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i was blown away, by how bad it was on so many levels. how was that.

This tells me more about you than it does about the film.

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Originally posted by itsamemario But still you have people calling classical pieces for string quartet a song, all the time. And that goes back to my point on Joe Bloggs/Man in the street. People also call SHM techno. Doesn't make it any more true. I feel like films and movies are different, because of what they set out to do, and because it surpasses genre. I understand not everyone here agrees with me, and I've posted an excerpt of an article to back up my point, so obviously someone agrees with me. Maybe the segregation of the terms is something that has happened too recently for some people to take notice, I don't fucking know. But what I do know, is that you wouldn't have phrases like "a movie that tries to be a film" without there being a difference in meaning of those words.

i suppose. Seems like a silly thing to argue about. I purposefully call anything in the classical realm a joint just to piss people off.

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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo! This tells me more about you than it does about the film.

I knew very well it would suck. But how much was a surprise. I am amazed Liam Neeson signed up for this one. I mean i will be honest i watched less than 30 minutes. But it was painful. I mean this is the type of movie people usually walk out.

I hate you all so much right now.

I personally believe that many US Americans can't find America on a map because they don't have maps.

Again. Oh so funny, Russell. Have you ever considered going into writing? I bet a funny guy like you could make a killing writing jokes for Chuck Lorre or something!

Have you ever considered being correct about something for once? I honestly can't remember the last time that you've said anything that wasn't completely asinine. Extra chromosomes are no excuse.

Haha, you're so funny and cool Russell. I wish I could be like you! I bet all the girls just melt when you go into a room.

Jesus christ.

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