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aw man, no vacation in Iraq? (Tearing up my flight ticket)
it makes me a bit angry to see the US walk around like King Shit and dicate how the world should be run. the world was around long before these mof's and will continue to revolve once they have left.
today's empires, tomorrow's ashes. amen.
Well, noow that Iraq is allowing UN inspections into the without stipulations means that they are not hiding any weapons of mass destruction. And lets just hope that they find nothing so it just proves that the US was wrong all the time. Look at Canada, and the rest of the world, hardly anyone is supporting their cause for the war against Iraq, and why? because of the fact that not enough hard evidence against Iraq. The thing that really pisses me off though is that whole thing about Bush saying that Muslims are peacefull people, but eversince 9/11 he has done nothing but attack muslim people. What about the three Muslim student who were on their way to the hospital and said some things in their own language and some bitch claimed that they said some shit about 9/11. What the fuck is that. To me, the US just keeps blaming others when they should be blaming themselves. The Demon has spoke.
a lot of what is said here if just wrong. as for america being a bully wakened by 9/11, trust me, they knew of the terror factor long b4 that. american embassies and establishments have often been targets of rejects like bin laden. the fact that it happened on US soil is what alarmed the people of our southern neighbor.
but hey, the world would do just fine without such a horrible and igotistical superpower right? WRONG. the US supports the world. whose economy do you think the whole fuking planet depends on? who supports small nations and underpriveledged regions with money and materials? america might have its own interests in the gulf (OIL), but don't you think that part of the rational behind us action is streamed toward compation for people? saddam kills his own women and children...israel is constantly attacked by the un-educated and the brainwashed. dont you think that the millions of kids in the middle east would be better off learning about science and economics instead of where to stand in a room to kill as many schoolchildren as possible with the bomb strapped to their chest?
people often criticize americans for comming in and intruding on smaller nations. telling them how to run their government. they are hated because of this. YOU GUYS hate them because of this. all they are doing is helping.
they have sent troops to the Phillipines (sp?) to combat a terror group that has gathered tens of millions of dollars through the kidnapping to tourists, they have helped diplomatically ease the conflict in ireland, they have supported everything that has had even a tint of democratic and humanistic spirit. they arnt all that bad.
canadians are pissed because the US doesnt really care about their support. but the thing is...canadas suport doesnt really matter in an international sense. canada is not needed for anything besides herb and thats pretty much a known fact. but maybe we're better off that way. americans are needed everywhere to help people and countries survive. and they are hated globally.
Amen to Oceanlab. I don't understand how people can say that George Bush has policies that attack muslims. Let's look at the fact: All the terrorists are muslim extremists, so naturally, precautions have to be taken against all the muslims that are suspected. Before Sept. 11, these Al-Queda members were able to infiltrate American society and orchestrate a terrorist attack of enourmous magnitude completely un-obstructed. In a post Sept. 11 world, if some of those civil liberties have to be taken away from muslims who are deemed a threat, then so be it. It's all for the greater good. And it's no wonder that no one in world politics takes Canada seriously. One thing, our economy is insignificant, but did anyone hear the speach that Jean Chretien gave where he criticized Western Nations for their arrogance and greed as the cause of 3rd world poverty? Billions and billions of dollars a year are sent in foreign aid to poor nations from richer nations like Canada and the US and low and behold all that money is absorbed by the tyrannical regimes that run these countries whether it be in Iraq or Zimbabwe (and the people still starve). Then, as soon as the US makes any mention of regime changes in these places, they are lambasted. Why? Because it's seen as putting their foot in other people's business? NOt to say that the US can not have it's own gain in mind regarding all foriegn policy, but we can't forget that the US wants to help other countries aswell. I think that as Canadians we need to spend more time criticising our own Federal government and Prime Minister who seems to be allowed to shoot his mouth off about anything, no matter how little sense it makes. I think he's worse than bush and an embarressment to our country.
i wish i could express my point of view clearly, but i dont want to unnessecarily raise any anger.
the above tunnel vision ideas are pretty disturbing
the only reason y i dont support them is because i HAVE LIVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND BEEN TO MANY OTHER PARTS OF ASIA AND KNOW WHAT REALLY GOES ON.
now are u gonna call me a muslim extremist without knowing who or what im about???
im not siding anyone in this debate but the debate originally started with the hype over 9-11....
this world has become too materialistic and people should look within themselves first before pointing any fingers....
seriously, it was only a matter of time
Nah i don't believe the US has ANY ANY ANY sincere intentions on making the world a better place. Everything they do, and everything they involve themselves in, is for their own interests. I mean everything. If for some reason they appear sincere, it's all about public relations. Look at what went on in Rwanda ...wars in Sierra Leonne ...elsewhere too ...what did the US do ??? Not much. Why were they in Yugoslavia ??? Because they were protecting the world from a tyrant ??? Ya right. It was for their own interests ...they want a stable Europe for their economy ...they don't care what goes on in africa because they have nothing to offer ...and in the countries they do "help", don't think they're not getting a huge share of the profits (eg ...capital intensive work like mining). Their presence in the Gulf ...well that's obvious. Israel getting attacked by the uneducated ??? New York getting attacked by the uneducated ??? Ya right ...most suicide bombers are university students and graduates ...even the 9/11 attackers. Why did the US help Japan after the 2nd world war ??? Because they felt sorry for what they did. Nope...to ensure there was a symbol of Capitalist success amidst Communist countries and the Cold War. The point is ...the US does things for their own interests ...and that means staying on top. It's only a matter of time before they get dethroned, it's inevitable ...no great empire in history lasted forever ...nothing's forever ...that's what scares the US. It doesn't matter that the world economy revolves around the US at all ...they've made it like that, and don't want rivals ...and they'll do anything to keep it that way. That doesn't justify the attacks ...but it makes me care A LOT LESS.
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| Originally posted by drewfactor Let's look at the fact: All the terrorists are muslim extremists, so naturally, precautions have to be taken against all the muslims that are suspected. |
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| Originally posted by Mako_2k2 ummm... no. there are irish terrorists, basque separatist terrorists... rebels in chiapas mexico which the government regards as terrorists... in other words what you said is not true... |
talk is cheap, here's some facts about US foreign aid:
fiscal year 1999.
if anyone wonders why egypt has such a high aid, its because their border with israel is now definitive. i.e. us buying peace for israel.
also look at the poor countries mostly in south america and africa... they are the ones really suffering... blah who cares right?
p.s. the graphic looks all screwed up... look it up here http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.or...ael.html#Figure 5
After the first World War, the League of Nations was formed to ensure that never again would a country have the ability to pose a threat to the whole world. Obviously this body focused on Germany as their prime concern. In 1936, before the heaviest of the rearming had begun, Hitler decided to test his fate against the rest of Europe. He sent troops to the Rhineland (on french border) with nothing but empty guns. His troops wern't even armed! The Rhineland had specificaly been noted as an area to be kept under Allied control. Hitlers orders were to retreat if so much as a rock was thrown at them from the French side. He just wanted to see what his enemy would do. The French immeadiatly contacted London. The British told the French NOT to act. Hitler knew from that point on that Europe WOULD stand idely by while he built up his forces far past the resolutions set by the Treaty of Versailles. I can only hope that a modern version of the League of Nations (the United Nations) won't follow the same path. Saddam has broken 16 of the UN resolutions following the Gulf War. If he does make a nuke, none of you believe that there is a chance he might sell it to terrorists?? How can Americans not act? Who cares what US aid is aimed at, whether it be public relations or a better world, they shouldn't sit on their hands while Iraq makes nuclear weapons. Next time it won't be 3,000 people, there will be tens maybe hundreds of thousands dead.
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| Originally posted by oceanlab After the first World War, the League of Nations was formed to ensure that never again would a country have the ability to pose a threat to the whole world. Obviously this body focused on Germany as their prime concern. In 1936, before the heaviest of the rearming had begun, Hitler decided to test his fate against the rest of Europe. He sent troops to the Rhineland (on french border) with nothing but empty guns. His troops wern't even armed! The Rhineland had specificaly been noted as an area to be kept under Allied control. Hitlers orders were to retreat if so much as a rock was thrown at them from the French side. He just wanted to see what his enemy would do. The French immeadiatly contacted London. The British told the French NOT to act. Hitler knew from that point on that Europe WOULD stand idely by while he built up his forces far past the resolutions set by the Treaty of Versailles. I can only hope that a modern version of the League of Nations (the United Nations) won't follow the same path. Saddam has broken 16 of the UN resolutions following the Gulf War. If he does make a nuke, none of you believe that there is a chance he might sell it to terrorists?? How can Americans not act? Who cares what US aid is aimed at, whether it be public relations or a better world, they shouldn't sit on their hands while Iraq makes nuclear weapons. Next time it won't be 3,000 people, there will be tens maybe hundreds of thousands dead. |
oh yeah..and one more thing oceanlab....
y do u have PLUR in ur signature if u support dictatorship??
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| y do u have PLUR in ur signature if u support dictatorship?? |
First of all this forum should've been dedicated to victims of 9/11 and the victims from other countries like Russia, and Israel. Terrorism shouldn't be tolerated in ANY country.
If feel pain when Russia was attacked by terrorism and the world did nothing, completely nothing.
As for Canadians, wake up US is not your enemy, we depend on them more then you know it, and our economy and way of life is thanks to them, they do things not so perfectly, but in this world if it wasn't the US it would be someone else.
Everyone thinks US is the big bully, well it's life, it's just the way it is, there isn't much you can do about it, you're asking for a pefrect world, any country in power would do the same or worse, it's always about the money, you have to realize it's not the US, it's the world to blame for, it's our nature for the need for money and power, not that it's right it's just real.
I think this thread has gotten out of hand, time to delete it from history, as i feel pain from the outcome, I saw gournd zero 3 months after the attacks along with my friend ziggy, will not comment, got pictures will not post, it's never fair when people die, we should always remember and never forget the victims of 9/11, Russia, Israel, and many other countries where terrorism took innocent lifes.
Peace
ESO
drewfactor... i lived in the United Arab Emirates...
UAE has a stand not to be involved in any sort of war and have been that way since it was formed in 1971.
Im not Arab. Im Indian even tho i was born and raised there. Its not just sand and camels as all those elsewhere in the world are made to believe.
The people over there are extremely friendly. for example- if u are in the elevator with a local arab, wther u know them or not, they acknowledge ur presence by saying hello and start a conversation with u. however over here, ive noticed, even if u commute all along the subway from one end to the next and ur sitting beside someone the whole journey, they act as if u dont exist and if u say hello or try to start up a conversation, they get paranoid and look at u wierdly.
Everyone around the world is good..there is no bad person. Its just the greed that is driving the goverments all over the world right now
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| Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee The people over there are extremely friendly. for example- if u are in the elevator with a local arab, wther u know them or not, they acknowledge ur presence by saying hello and start a conversation with u. however over here, ive noticed, even if u commute all along the subway from one end to the next and ur sitting beside someone the whole journey, they act as if u dont exist and if u say hello or try to start up a conversation, they get paranoid and look at u wierdly. Everyone around the world is good..there is no bad person. Its just the greed that is driving the goverments all over the world right now |
. I Always find that a shocker for some reason. But Arabs are very Friendly ppl and I do give LKD the right to that.
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