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I still don't understand how the only thing you EVER contribute to any thread in MD is to praise Christopher Lawrence and J00F, or to bash commercial trance jocks. Your taste is so one dimensional you must be boring as fuck.

I've really been digging Neelix, DJ Fabio & Moon, and Interactive Noise for the past couple of years.

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Originally posted by flapman9 I've really been digging Neelix, DJ Fabio & Moon, and Interactive Noise for the past couple of years.

neelix is great, also john o'callaghan, astrix, lisa lashes, coming soon, day din. many other producers but often time its just a couple of releases put out under pseudonyms.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I still don't understand how the only thing you EVER contribute to any thread in MD is to praise Christopher Lawrence and J00F, or to bash commercial trance jocks. Your taste is so one dimensional you must be boring as fuck.

people tend to fall back on a few artist far too often which is why you get a lot of butthurt people in the scene. Just learn to enjoy trance as a hole and stop praising a single entity all the time. It's good to have legends and your idols from time to time. However, try to find new talent.PS Christopher Lawrence is one big arrogant douche. His Mr.& Mrs Smith project sucksass. He's a Mr. I know trance wannabie...Don't give a fuck about his views but he's a cocky mother ******. Dude bashes swedish house mafia but a few months ago he remixed LMFAO...Hypocrite asshole.

I generally love songs that have depth and build an atmosphere of feelings in my mind. As for psy and goa if the the track is structured and sounds good, it can be brillant. But i have heard some that are just all over the place, particularly goa :O

Found this beauty 9 months ago still as good as the first time i set my ears upon her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOjjnIPwd7c

Also anyone know any songs similar to this ? Sounds a bit like infected mushroom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5f3bjWKrY

I've been listening to psy for a couple of years now and it's probably the music I listen to the most. Some of my favourite and most listened psy artists are currently:
- Ovnimoon: Magnetic Portal, Geometric Poetry and Family Of Light are my favourite albums
- Vibrasphere: I like all albums, but Archipelage is my favourite one
- Human Blue
- E-Clip
- Lyctum
- Liquid Soul


I'm also listening more and more to psychill/ambient/downtempo music.
Artists I like to mention here are mostly coming from the Ultimae Records label:
- Solar Fields
- Carbon Based Lifeforms
- HUVA Network
- Asura
- Aes Dana

now you say ektoplazm if you have not done yet and like fast driving psy go check Cybernetika's "The scythe of orion" album, really really cool. I have cut the instrumental intros because are a bit senseless when you've listened several times the album but apart from that is ace.

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Originally posted by FCB_Fanatic I've been listening to psy for a couple of years now and it's probably the music I listen to the most. Some of my favourite and most listened psy artists are currently: - Ovnimoon: Magnetic Portal, Geometric Poetry and Family Of Light are my favourite albums - Vibrasphere: I like all albums, but Archipelage is my favourite one - Human Blue - E-Clip - Lyctum - Liquid Soul

archipelage is one of my all time favorite albums. there is so much cool psy ambient around and it doesnt get much recognition.

nicola copobianco (liquid soul) is an excellent producer.

Actually, I think Archipelago is generally regarded as a classic album in the psy scene, although personally I prefer Exploring The Tributaries.

I personally started off with many of the progpsy/morning artists (don't get me wrong, I'm still a huge fan) although my tastes have moved into a slightly more psychedelic direction. Not into Darkpsy but stuff with a higher tempo like Dick Trevor, Aphid Moon, Laughing Buddha, Master Blasters etc. More of the cross between Morning-Full On and more traditional psy.

I recommend Sonic Species to pretty much everyone who are sort of in between the Trance/Psy world. I saw their live PA at Sunrise in a Festival not to far from here and its incredible Trance influenced stuff. Here are some vids of their live PA from the festival and elsewhere.

This..

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic You really do turn into an asshole yourself when you convert yourself like some of the picky people in this forum. I nearly went into that region but stopped myself. Instead, I tried to see the positive side, instead of bitching about the shitty music.

Then this..

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic Christopher Lawrence is one big arrogant douche. His Mr.& Mrs Smith project sucksass. He's a Mr. I know trance wannabie...Don't give a fuck about his views but he's a cocky mother ******. Dude bashes swedish house mafia but a few months ago he remixed LMFAO...Hypocrite asshole.

just listened to christopher lawrence's lmfao remix, what a piece of utter shit, he tried to made something in between his progpsy and the commercial electro and the result is a track that anyone could do in less than a year of training.

Who cares? Listen to what you like and don't worry about what "scene" you're in.

I like psybreaks when I'm really fucked up and partying.

although I always frown when it comes to entire genre's based on a single gimmick, I will admit that at the right occasion it really is partying perfection.

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Originally posted by Bierheld although I always frown when it comes to entire genre's based on a single gimmick, I will admit that at the right occasion it really is partying perfection.

Oh, and which gimmick might that be?



You guys should check out the album "no more x" by "loud". It's great progpsy, and that track has an interesting video clip+the original is 7 minutes full length.

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Originally posted by InnerReflection Oh, and which gimmick might that be?

Well, I'm sorry to have puzzled you my good sir, allow me to elaborate.

The main gimmick consists of, what I can only describe as a warped and tribalistic, oriental influenced sound palette derived from ye old goa. Combined with coining the ambiguous term "psychedelic", even though it's no more or less psychedelic then any other form of music. Which as a whole sets a precedence that exceeds the actual musical content. Since there are other genre's that operate in the same domain of dark atmospheres that have a far more varied and interesting choice of soundscapes and rhythmic structures, like industrial for instance.
Although I can understand that if you're overly imbued with the genre a simple change like swapping out the rubbery baselines can sound like an enormous musical invention.

- Hence the term gimmick.

Now it's worth noting here that I'm not trying to bash the genre, as I said I enjoy a good party with it. I liked the track you posted too, and a lot of my friends have a fondness for the genre as well. Or at least the ones that grew up in the nineties, which is understandable since it fits in perfectly with the whole new age vibe that was floating around back then.

If I would narrow down the entire psytrance genre to three of the most famous labels I would go for Twisted Records, Flying Rhino and Dragonfly Records. These three labels defined the whole genre more than anyone else.

Twisted with Simon Posford, a music prodigy which pioneered the whole scene with his Hallucinogen sound. Also you simply can't go wrong with the other inhouse names such as Shpongle, Ott, Younger Brothers and Prometheus.

Dragonfly with Martin Glover aka Youth. Amazing names here such as Seb Taylor aka Shakta, Pleidians and UX.

Flying Rhino records with James Monroe. You simply can't go wrong with names such as Green Nuns of the revolution, Darshan, Planet BEN, Blue Planet Corporation and Technosommy.

Behold!

john 00 is a legend def one of my fav trance producers/dj's

I agree with the trance scene goin a bit candy shop in areas, there's sum really brilliant darker psy stuff out 2 i play in my darker dj sets

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Originally posted by Bierheld Well, I'm sorry to have puzzled you my good sir, allow me to elaborate. The main gimmick consists of, what I can only describe as a warped and tribalistic, oriental influenced sound palette derived from ye old goa. Combined with coining the ambiguous term "psychedelic", even though it's no more or less psychedelic then any other form of music. Which as a whole sets a precedence that exceeds the actual musical content. Since there are other genre's that operate in the same domain of dark atmospheres that have a far more varied and interesting choice of soundscapes and rhythmic structures, like industrial for instance. Although I can understand that if you're overly imbued with the genre a simple change like swapping out the rubbery baselines can sound like an enormous musical invention. - Hence the term gimmick. Now it's worth noting here that I'm not trying to bash the genre, as I said I enjoy a good party with it. I liked the track you posted too, and a lot of my friends have a fondness for the genre as well. Or at least the ones that grew up in the nineties, which is understandable since it fits in perfectly with the whole new age vibe that was floating around back then.

Not that I'm that annoyed or anything but:

I fail to see how describing the overall moods a genre tends to have makes that a gimmick of the genre. If that's the case then house/disco is all gimmicky because lots of it attempts to be "funky". Most certainly the different moods displayed in psy is more varied then mainstream trance by far, and possibly even more so than techno.

As for what's psychedelic, well first off there's no real concise meaning of what psychedelic music is, apart from that it sounds good on acid, and psytrance is far far more tailored to sound good on acid than industrial is. From the many many tracks that have a darker mood but with occasional happy vibes (to create the feeling of the world is crazy/dark but beautiful) to the fact that the bassline is generally somewhat steady but other elements are changing it's highly like that.

If we're talking about a thought provoking sortof mood... well that's subjective. More importantly... it sounds a lot like the arguments I had when I was 15/16 (only 3-4 years ago for me) about people who said that electronic music had no emotion because when they listened to it it had no emotion, but metal did. Ofcourse the fact that for me at the time it was the other way around was to them irrelevent. Regardless... that sortof debate does my head in and if I have to have it in my life ever again I'm going to kill myself.

ALSO, in terms of "varied moods" and industrial... umm, have you been to any goth clubs lately? There is way way more variety in psy than there is in the average ebm/industrial track. If you're comparing underground industrial to generic full on psy... well that's not a fair comparison.

As for the full on baseline, having the same bassline for the entire night (but not the exact same, some tracks have heavier basses/varied kickdrums) can be a hypnotic/meditative experience. It's a little bit more complicated than simply producers being lazy. Also, people listen to psy to dance or for the moods. It's not the same as listening to house music that's "interesting". You can't get the exact same mood with a different bassline, so if someone wants to write a track or only tracks that go "dun uhh uhh uhh" "or DUH UHHH" then it just wouldn't be the same mood with a different bassline.

Although certainly, I'll pay the term gimmick for the full on bass, it makes a lot of sense to call it that at least.

As I've said to a few people before, just because I write a lot in an argument/discussion doesn't necassarily mean I'm mad or care a lot about the topic. However hopefully stuff I've written allows people to understand the mentality of the music more/is generally interesting to read.

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Btw, does anyone have dj eccentric's psycho therapy, or know how to contact him? His username on here is s3nate. That mix is fucking great, and way better than anything by j00f.

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Originally posted by InnerReflection As for the full on baseline, having the same bassline for the entire night (but not the exact same, some tracks have heavier basses/varied kickdrums) can be a hypnotic/meditative experience.

Or it can be extremely boring. And usually is.

With all respect to Israelis on TA, Israel will always be known for Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Or it can be extremely boring. And usually is.

There's definitely some really boring full on out there. The rest of the track needs to have an interesting enough rythmn and melody.

All i know is, I seem to be able to find plenty of decent psy albums, I seem to be able to find decent psy sets (if I download 5 and discard 3 of them immedietly it's not really that much effort) and when I go out to psy stuff it's very rare the music that's played is shit.

Really depends on what you mean by "usually" I guess(what types of tracks and albums are you looking at? where do you discover them?).

Also, generally with this thread, there just aren't enough posters in it, the opinions on psy are pretty obvious by any particular poster after usually one post, and if no one's asking for recommendations or has an interesting discussion topic this thread is going nowhere.

I mean I could start a discussion on psy vs darkpsy and whether darkpsy is the next big thing, but hardly anyone on here would even be remotely knowledgeable apart from "I listened to some darkpsy once and didn't like it"

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Originally posted by InnerReflection Really depends on what you mean by "usually" I guess(what types of tracks and albums are you looking at? where do you discover them?).

Slow down. We're not talking about tracks and albums. We're talking about hearing the same full-on bassline for the entire night, so I'm clearly talking about psy trance parties. There are, of course, plenty of brilliant musicians and producers in the psy scene, but from my personal experience, the majority of psy trance parties involve the same full-on sound all night, with the same heavy bassline from track to track. And most people I talk to have the same experience. And I just find that boring, especially because most of the psy nights I've been to have almost no programming to their line-ups: it's almost identical stuff all night, start to finish. You're clearly a massive psy fans, but those of us who aren't don't find such unerring repetition "hypnotic", we just find it dull.

Ovnimoon is shit

I have literally banned myself from listening to Ovnimoon. You have to take into account that I am (or at least that I was) a submissive person, which means that I used to give a lot of tries to tracks that I initially didn't enjoy but that were either hailed as good or appeared to be complex (like most of Ovnimoon's stuff). So what I did with Ovnimoon's tracks is that I played the shit out of them -- like billions of times (I'm exaggerating of course, but you get my point) -- and they did nothing for me. Unfortunately, they did a lot against me -- they literally made me DESPISE psytrance music altogether. I have only now come to realize that I should never really force a track to grow on me, but for most of my life that's what I've been doing, and that's exactly why I almost decended into fucking nihilism.

Thankfully, I'm now recovering from this, and it's only as a way to speed up my recovery that I decided to ban myself from checking out anything Ovnimoon-related.

This has left me thinking why other people enjoy his music? Why is noone out there warning people of how terrible his music is? It's shit. Shit, shit, shit, worst piece of music ever created. I cannot think of anyone enjoying this crap other than fucking hipsters.

This is not to say that there is no good psytrance (there is) but Ovnimoon is an equivalent of Jackson Pollock lol (actually, most of psy/goa trance is, but let's not get into that discussion now).

We have to warn the people of the evils that these modern "prog"psy inventions are.

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