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Originally posted by Rodri Santos well hardcore is more listeneable than hardstyle, hardcore is the new eurodance a lot of people love it, in fact when a dj drops a few hardcore tunes the energy of the floor rises incredibly, for long people start leaving but all crowds stand it for some minutes.

Hardcore is the new eurodance? Okay, I really am getting old.

Did notice 149. Evil Activities.

Take this for example, lyrics are in italian but i've listened to it in Spain, Italy (ofc) and Germany so imagine how popular it is...



What's the difference with eurodance? a bit faster i don't see any evident difference...

I can guarantee you that kids listen to this and tracks by Italobrothers,manian,dj gollum... that stuff

I just wonder how DJ Mag are going to continue justifying these acts in their little write-ups for each entry. Do they actually cover these kind of names? It must look pretty fucking incongruous if they don't.

Skrillex is both on the top guitar list and dj. Nice.

43. Infected Mushroom

do they even dj? doesnt they play heavy metal live now?

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Originally posted by clay 43. Infected Mushroom do they even dj? doesnt they play heavy metal live now?

Moved to dubstep bandwagon.

After thinking about it a bit more, the reason why I dislike polls like DJmag's is because it's pure media logic in action.

What they're always trying to do is turn everything into a competition, even if it's clearly irrelevant. The way the actual dance music industry should work is to have scenes with like-minded people, bound either by location or musical preference. Who, unlike with politics for instance, should really have nothing to do with each other. There is no battle for absolute artistic supremacy, only journalists who are trying to justify their position as leaders of opinion, their relevance. We're all playing by their rules after all.
What you eventually get is that their lists become self fulfilling prophecies. The results of this poll and mainly it's top spots will be copied by other media without a slither of scepticism, leading to an increase in fame for those who managed to attain the top spots solidifying their positions even more. Which is why we see the top ten barely changing at all from year to year.

Now, if it turns out there was no legitimacy to their ranking in the first place, which is clearly the case since it can only ever be a representation of a small group of people's preferences (i.e. the people who know of the poll's existence and could be bothered to vote), you get a thoroughly fucked up situation.

So who actually is the top DJ or most popular DJ? It's all dry statistics. You would have to measure bookings and show attendees, album and single sales, prevalence in media from all over the world to get anything remotely accurate. Or you'd have to ask every single person in the world. It's not going to happen, just let it go. The scene would get much healthier if the whole globalist megalomania would end and DJ's would have to rely on word to word or local journalistic promotion. Actual talent would rise to the top rather then PR expertise. But that's just dreaming I guess.

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Originally posted by Bierheld After thinking about it a bit more, the reason why I dislike polls like DJmag's is because it's pure media logic in action. What they're always trying to do is turn everything into a competition, even if it's clearly irrelevant. The way the actual dance music industry should work is to have scenes with like-minded people, bound either by location or musical preference. Who, unlike with politics for instance, should really have nothing to do with each other. There is no battle for absolute artistic supremacy, only journalists who are trying to justify their position as leaders of opinion, their relevance. We're all playing by their rules after all. What you eventually get is that their lists become self fulfilling prophecies. The results of this poll and mainly it's top spots will be copied by other media without a slither of scepticism, leading to an increase in fame for those who managed to attain the top spots solidifying their positions even more. Which is why we see the top ten barely changing at all from year to year. Now, if it turns out there was no legitimacy to their ranking in the first place, which is clearly the case since it can only ever be a representation of a small group of people's preferences (i.e. the people who know of the poll's existence and could be bothered to vote), you get a thoroughly fucked up situation. So who actually is the top DJ or most popular DJ? It's all dry statistics. You would have to measure bookings and show attendees, album and single sales, prevalence in media from all over the world to get anything remotely accurate. Or you'd have to ask every single person in the world. It's not going to happen, just let it go. The scene would get much healthier if the whole globalist megalomania would end and DJ's would have to rely on word to word or local journalistic promotion. Actual talent would rise to the top rather then PR expertise. But that's just dreaming I guess.

Well phucking said.

Hear hear, Bierheld. Going to point your quote out to a few other people.

I don't care about the list, but Swedish house mafia isn't in the top ten?

I came to know the final results of this years poll through Swedish media going all "EHMAHGERD AVICII!!!".

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Originally posted by Bierheld After thinking about it a bit more, the reason why I dislike polls like DJmag's is because it's pure media logic in action. What they're always trying to do is turn everything into a competition, even if it's clearly irrelevant. The way the actual dance music industry should work is to have scenes with like-minded people, bound either by location or musical preference. Who, unlike with politics for instance, should really have nothing to do with each other. There is no battle for absolute artistic supremacy, only journalists who are trying to justify their position as leaders of opinion, their relevance. We're all playing by their rules after all. What you eventually get is that their lists become self fulfilling prophecies. The results of this poll and mainly it's top spots will be copied by other media without a slither of scepticism, leading to an increase in fame for those who managed to attain the top spots solidifying their positions even more. Which is why we see the top ten barely changing at all from year to year. Now, if it turns out there was no legitimacy to their ranking in the first place, which is clearly the case since it can only ever be a representation of a small group of people's preferences (i.e. the people who know of the poll's existence and could be bothered to vote), you get a thoroughly fucked up situation. So who actually is the top DJ or most popular DJ? It's all dry statistics. You would have to measure bookings and show attendees, album and single sales, prevalence in media from all over the world to get anything remotely accurate. Or you'd have to ask every single person in the world. It's not going to happen, just let it go. The scene would get much healthier if the whole globalist megalomania would end and DJ's would have to rely on word to word or local journalistic promotion. Actual talent would rise to the top rather then PR expertise. But that's just dreaming I guess.

Utopic, in a world without internet, and media in general talent would be prominent as you'd need a local fanbase and management could do less for you, now with some investment and ghost production you can be in the top 100 in 2-3 years maximum.

Morons would still exist, it's just that won't be so easy to climb for them but true talent would still be neglected and kicked out from big scenarios.

THe real problem is not journalists or media, it's money. Money is above media if djs began to play for free and the ticket fee was just to cover the expenses of equipment, electricity etc... 5$ for example then media won't have so much attention and they would eventually move to something else.

It's already happening, in fact has happened since the beginning, that raves or small underground parties doesn't get any fuzz nor hype, djs are playing for free, venue is sometimes free, someone is lending his equipment... cost is 0 maybe they just get something from drinks. And this is the true edm

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Take this for example, lyrics are in italian but i've listened to it in Spain, Italy (ofc) and Germany so imagine how popular it is... What's the difference with eurodance? a bit faster i don't see any evident difference... I can guarantee you that kids listen to this and tracks by Italobrothers,manian,dj gollum... that stuff

You can call it Eurodance, that's fine, but not hardcore. It's very popular in Germany otherwise Scooter wouldn't be there any more after almost two decades. Actually it's popular all over Europe, even coming from Sweden:

It should be renamed Top 100 cheaters.

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Originally posted by Bierheld After thinking about it a bit more, the reason why I dislike polls like DJmag's is because it's pure media logic in action. ... So who actually is the top DJ or most popular DJ? It's all dry statistics. You would have to measure bookings and show attendees, album and single sales, prevalence in media from all over the world to get anything remotely accurate. Or you'd have to ask every single person in the world. It's not going to happen, just let it go. The scene would get much healthier if the whole globalist megalomania would end and DJ's would have to rely on word to word or local journalistic promotion. Actual talent would rise to the top rather then PR expertise. But that's just dreaming I guess.

Maybe if you would have a look at bookings and show attendees and all of it the top maybe wouldn't be so different.
I'm not convinced word to word or local journalistic promotion would give a more accurate result.
Regarding talent I guess you know who 'discovered' Armin?

In general I think polls aren't accurate, but even political elections aren't. The Eurovision is a pretty good example too.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Maybe if you would have a look at bookings and show attendees and all of it the top maybe wouldn't be so different. I'm not convinced word to word or local journalistic promotion would give a more accurate result. Regarding talent I guess you know who 'discovered' Armin? In general I think polls aren't accurate, but even political elections aren't. The Eurovision is a pretty good example too.

Are you familiar with the TV series called medialogica? They air on Holland doc. In the third episode they had a look at how the media circus influenced the last election. How their hunger for idols-esque polling and mano e mano debating wrought havoc on general campaign plans and open discussions about governing and ideology. How the whole Roemer-Rutte confrontation completely changed the game even though it was caused by what was basically a small misunderstanding bundled with poor moderation. How debaters were hailed as "winners" by winning viewer polls, even though it is obvious that peoples judgement is mostly decided by their political orientation.

These are things that are unfortunate but cannot really be avoided when you have something as big and consequential as a political election, the result of which affects everyone. As opposed to a DJ election, which affects no one. That's why it doesn't exist.
So why have a poll at all? The only result would be statistical data on a certain group's preferences. Which is fine if that's your goal, but DJmag has the intent of finding "the world's number one DJ". You can't do that with a simple internet poll.

Now, to be clear. I honestly don't care who makes it to the top or how much money they make. It's not about the results themselves, but about there being a faulty process leading to said results.
I have no doubt that without the poll Armin would still have had a formidable fanbase. If that's what makes them happy then everything's cricket to me. I just find it silly that with there being so many styles of music and so many ways to DJ, you would want to dumb such a unique and pluralistic cultural movement down to a simple competition.
There's absolutely no point and the only winners are a select group of DJ's and the journalists themselves. EDM fans win nothing and small-time DJ's are dealt the rotten pears.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Are you familiar with the TV series called medialogica? They air on Holland doc. In the third episode they had a look at how the media circus influenced the last election. How their hunger for idols-esque polling and mano e mano debating wrought havoc on general campaign plans and open discussions about governing and ideology. How the whole Roemer-Rutte confrontation completely changed the game even though it was caused by what was basically a small misunderstanding bundled with poor moderation. How debaters were hailed as "winners" by winning viewer polls, even though it is obvious that peoples judgement is mostly decided by their political orientation. These are things that are unfortunate but cannot really be avoided when you have something as big and consequential as a political election, the result of which affects everyone. As opposed to a DJ election, which affects no one. That's why it doesn't exist. So why have a poll at all? The only result would be statistical data on a certain group's preferences. Which is fine if that's your goal, but DJmag has the intent of finding "the world's number one DJ". You can't do that with a simple internet poll. Now, to be clear. I honestly don't care who makes it to the top or how much money they make. It's not about the results themselves, but about there being a faulty process leading to said results. I have no doubt that without the poll Armin would still have had a formidable fanbase. If that's what makes them happy then everything's cricket to me. I just find it silly that with there being so many styles of music and so many ways to DJ, you would want to dumb such a unique and pluralistic cultural movement down to a simple competition. There's absolutely no point and the only winners are a select group of DJ's and the journalists themselves. EDM fans win nothing and small-time DJ's are dealt the rotten pears.

No, never saw that, but I must have a look, sounds interesting.

I understand your point, I also don't care who's most popular, to me it's just a fun poll. With political elections I think it's stupid that the 40% of people (recently in Holland) who didn't vote probably would have influence on the results if they would have. Besides that the fact that many voted strategic and then the fact that many don't know what 'strategic' means.

Regarding the DJ poll, well, at least there will be a pretty large number of people be happy that the one they voted for is high at the list and some went up. Yeah, searching for something positive
But is a DJ poll that strange, everyone grew up with Top x lists in music? Voting of course is easy, but would e.g. a Top 40 list be that accurate? Maybe more people like a different track but don't buy it.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB You can call it Eurodance, that's fine, but not hardcore. It's very popular in Germany otherwise Scooter wouldn't be there any more after almost two decades. Actually it's popular all over Europe, even coming from Sweden:

If you ask people about this track many people would say this is trance rather than hardcore, i don't know which year this is but in ~2002 it could have been made by Airscape,Vengaboys ranging between trance/euro.

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