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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay i don't buy on beatport. i can't next time, remind your mum about abortions.

Not all of us were unplanned Jay.

then i feel sorry for anyone who's plans fell through.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Okay: and they all sucked.

Right, so you went to Shambhala (and what a world-class line-up it looks like, I might add). I remember you once memorably berating me for lecturing on things I hadn't experienced (namely scenes in other cities). Now you're passing judgement on the entire state of DJing based on one annual excursion to some shitty second-rate Canadian music festival and probably a few podcasts (which generally have nothing to do with the art of DJing).

Of course in the modern scene, with DJ slots being the only realistic way most people make money, there are a lot of producers turning up in the booth without much idea what they're doing. But to say "the art of the pure DJ is dead" is typical jaded older-timerism. I've seen dozens of brilliant DJs in the last year or so, new and old, world-famous and unknown locals.

Regarding this "read the crowd and tell a story" notion... I think "reading the crowd" can be over-emphasised. If you're playing peak time to a busy dancefloor and you've been correctly booked by the promoter (and especially if you're a big name DJ) you're not going to have to worry too much about losing their attention unless you get it drastically wrong. Reading the crowd is most important for DJs who need to win the crowd over initially, which generally equates to opening and warm-up DJs. Theirs is one of the most under-appreciated jobs by its very nature - probably 1% of the crowd at most nights is there right from the start to see the warm-up DJ do his/her job.

As for "telling a story" or "taking you on a journey"... some genres and parties are more conducive to that than others, but again it clearly still happens. Perhaps the best example of that I've seen recently was when I saw Blu Mar Ten close a night with a 3 hour set a couple of months back. He constructed a brilliant narrative of different moods and styles, starting off with furious jungle, going stripped down and minimal into filthy bass darkness and then blissing it out for the final hour.

But overall, as for the question "is a DJ actually needed anymore?", surely you're suggesting that DJs are needed more than ever?

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos on true edm clubs you can find great talent, Digweed,Sasha ,Danny Howells or a good dj in short, may be consistent but djs playing on edm clubs are there for a reason, it's not like the kind of mainstream big club where Pauly D plays once a year headlining an event. In this clubs is all about contacts because the crowd is 100% ineducated and if you tell them "this dj is amazing" they'll be thinking the same after a flat track selection and ear piercing mixing.

I would agree with you, but I guess that's why I don't go to a lot of those shows hehe. I wouldn't even consider someone like Pauly D to be a DJ in the first place unless DJ stands for Douchebag Jackass

he's got nice hair and a big dick. that's ok by me.

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Originally posted by RapidFire you need the human element. a computer can't read a crowd or tell a story with its track selection

I often thought the DJ didn't read us even in the early 90's, and the track selection often wasn't that great either.
That story telling thing I never really understood, even in my early days when I wasn't drinking.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I often thought the DJ didn't read us even in the early 90's, and the track selection often wasn't that great either. That story telling thing I never really understood, even in my early days when I wasn't drinking.

In the Top 40 clubs, I'm pretty sure whatever DJ there is reads the notes from the management.

"These people are dancing too much. Play something boring so they buy more booze."

there is actually some truth to that, sadly

Guide to succes in top 40 clubs:

-Download the top 40
-Play for the girls.

Profit. Thats the art of djing here, but as said this is jukeboxing, the figure of the dj is simply because it's cooler to have something clapping and saying "i love you guys, we gonna rape this club" than a cold pc.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Right, so you went to Shambhala (and what a world-class line-up it looks like, I might add). I remember you once memorably berating me for lecturing on things I hadn't experienced (namely scenes in other cities). Now you're passing judgement on the entire state of DJing based on one annual excursion to some shitty second-rate Canadian music festival...

I guess you've never been to Shambhala, so perhaps you should relax on passing such judgements on something you know very little about.

The Western side of Canada has a thriving and vibrant music scene. It doesn't need a "world class line up". What is that even supposed to mean anyways? More big names is better?

"Shitty-second rate" are words that only people who know nothing of the festival could try and use to describe it.

from saskatoon, any place with a speaker must be exciting.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay from saskatoon, any place with a speaker must be exciting.

Yes Jay, you are still here. Don't worry.

I'm glad to see Ishkurs opinion on everything is just as irrelevant today as it was 5 or more years ago.

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Originally posted by daphunky1 I guess you've never been to Shambhala, so perhaps you should relax on passing such judgements on something you know very little about. The Western side of Canada has a thriving and vibrant music scene. It doesn't need a "world class line up". What is that even supposed to mean anyways? More big names is better? "Shitty-second rate" are words that only people who know nothing of the festival could try and use to describe it.

Well someone who went to the last one just told me that every DJ he saw there sucked, so you should probably be arguing with him.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well someone who went to the last one just told me that every DJ he saw there sucked, so you should probably be arguing with him.

Music's usually inconsequential for most Shambhala attendees.

I've actually no idea if most of those DJs are any good or not, but the few recognisable names don't look too clever. I'm sure a lot of those DJs are just locals and are actually a lot of fun, and probably don't even have any labels or productions to whore out even if they wanted to, and Ishkur is just being a jaded old-timer. But more saliently, I think he's guilty of trying to pass off a big list of names as evidence of him still being a vibrant party-goer, and his ruse ain't fooling me.

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Originally posted by Sykonee In the Top 40 clubs, I'm pretty sure whatever DJ there is reads the notes from the management. "These people are dancing too much. Play something boring so they buy more booze."

If there is nobody at the dance floor the club is fucking boring and people will leave. At least it was like that over here. If the dance floor is loaded you don't have to worry about drinking in my view.
But maybe we just drink more in the south of our little country....

profit is more important than fun. it's why some clubs turn up the heat in july.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay profit is more important than fun. it's why some clubs turn up the heat in july.

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Originally posted by Guest ?

so you buy more drinks.

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Originally posted by Guest ?

in montreal, "underground" dance music tends to take place in an afterhours setting. no booze...just expensive water (aka drugs). back in the 90's clubs used to close cold water faucets making you have to buy more water. it's illegal now due to a few deaths. even booze clubs will do this to get you to drink more. hot = thirsty. in a warehouse

the club opens around 2 or 3am until they decide the skullfuck is over. think of every one of hunter thompson's books, and add more insanity. thereare more than a few pics of me floating around TA where i am melting profusely.

turning the heat up is literal. the more you sweat, the thirstier you are. it's an older gimmick that pt barnum shit.

it's like bikram yoga but more awesome. (except for camel toes in sweaty tights, that is pretty awesome too.)

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Lol, who the fuck does that? No one anymore. Or very, very few DJs do. My comment was also mainly aimed at the commercial/top40 circuit which is just about everywhere, everyone has the same music, a PC could probably do a better job of play listing things based on the venue, crowd, etc. Text in selections and if it's not been played that night or isn't on some blacklist your tune gets played too. PC could prob mix better too. For your super cereal underground story telling nights you can still hav your DJs. But really where are they? Either in deserted little doss holes or they are super huge festival type events, either way no one is telling a story or reading the crowd there. Yes there are successful underground clubs about, but they are few and far between nowadays.

pretty ridiculous to throw a blanket statement like that, then. especially if you're only talking about the mainstream aspect of the culture...one which is as formulaic in DJing as it is in any nearly every other artform.

don't bother with it.

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Originally posted by RapidFire pretty ridiculous to throw a blanket statement like that, then. especially if you're only talking about the mainstream aspect of the culture...one which is as formulaic in DJing as it is in any nearly every other artform.

Okay, who is weaving these legendary tales of music?

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