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Originally posted by tubularbills plant protein ftw!

Hmmmmmmmmeh.

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Originally posted by Lira As for the kidney stones, should my grandfather and I be strong candidates by now?

Like I said, there are tons of genetical parameters, but you shouldn't worry about it. I think my initial comment was taken a bit too strong by the community. Besides, there are papers that argue the exact opposite of my statement (debate among experts). I didn't mean it as "you shouldn't drink milk" as much as "you shouldn't overdo it", personally knowing people that drink 5+ litres a day.

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Originally posted by Lira As for the kidney stones, should my grandfather and I be strong candidates by now?

Kidney stones are overwhelmingly a genetic predisposition, not due to too much calcium intake. Yes, the more common variant of a kidney stone is primarily composed of calcium, and milk has calcium, but this is about as straightforwardly wrong as the eating high cholesterol (like eggs) gives you high cholesterol myth.

So long as milk doesn't cause digestive or breathing (asthmatics) issues for you, it can be an excellent source of vitamin D and calcium, and a very good source of protein. Yes, it contains animal fats and proteins, but these are excellent for your health and musculature, and like anything else, the fat content will not harm you so long as you realize its a calorie-rich food product, and consuming more calories than you burn causes your body to create fat.

Skim is really lame and unnecessary unless you're needing to lose huge amounts of weight and can't stand to give up milk. But there's also probably a slew of other things you can't *stand* to give up if you're needing to lose a huge amount of weight, huh?

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Originally posted by BTG How many of you still drink milk? I've polled a bunch of people I know and it's about 50/50. Most people have strong opinions for or against it. My gf think milk is fucking disgusting, I however can drink a whole fucking bag without even thinking about it. MMM.

I drink, what they call, Raw Milk. I call it milk and the stuff you typically buy at the grocery store, rice water. That stuff is downright nasty.

I only use it as a solvent for hash. A good warm cup with some chocolate milk powder is ideal for coma-ing your way through a boring or miserable winter day.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I just can't imagine drinking that much milk Between my fianc�e and I, we maybe go through 3 litres in a week combined. Mostly though, closer to 2 litres.

Well, duh! Of course Lira drinks that much milk. Haven't you seen how much that man loves breasts??

Also, I only drink almond milk. I don't like the taste of soy milk. I will drink regular milk if I'm out of town and eating cereal or something.

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Originally posted by Chimney Milk is bad for your health once you've reach adulthood.

Looking at animals you can see they stop drinking milk after childhood as the body doesn't need milk. The kidneys have to work hard if they would continue drinking milk, so from that point your right and it's the same for people. But the reason is not for kidney stones.

I used Google translate for this:

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Lactose intolerance The vast majority of the world is indeed ill from drinking milk, they are lactose intolerant. This means that the milk sugar, lactose, can not properly digest. Although breast milk also contains lactose, babies do digest it. This generally stops when stopped breastfeeding. Except for Europeans and North Americans, they have evolved so that they can continue to drink milk. But that was the intention of Mother Nature? Ninety percent of Asians, seventy percent of Africans and fifty percent of South Americans are lactose intolerant. While only fifteen percent of whites not against drinking milk can. As many as seventy percent of the world population can not tolerate milk. And it is striking that if you stop drinking milk, your body naturally lactose intolerant is. Scientists are convinced that the human body is not built to drink milk

So in general milk is bad for your health and most people will get ill from drinking it daily. For the reason mentioned above System-J doesn't get ill, but he can't read it as I'm on his ignore list.


I drink milk every morning, drink it in coffee and like Latte Macchiato.

Drinking milk is not bad for you.

I'm still trying to comprehend why milk is sometimes sold in bags.

Bags.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Drinking milk is not bad for you.

You really need to define YOU here!

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Originally posted by Trance-MB So in general milk is bad for your health

So do you. Pretty much everyone in my family drank milk every day for between 25-55 years, and are perfectly fine.

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Originally posted by Acton I'm still trying to comprehend why milk is sometimes sold in bags. Bags.

It's cheaper to package and "better" for the environment.

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Originally posted by Intellekshual

tried to post the same thing before but couldnt be bothered to search for it on my phone. Lewis black and David Mitchell talking sense in this thread.

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Originally posted by Moongoose tried to post the same thing before but couldnt be bothered to search for it on my phone. Lewis black and David Mitchell talking sense in this thread.

I love them both so much.
I watch this regularly and I'm in tears every time.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Looking at animals you can see they stop drinking milk after childhood as the body doesn't need milk.

Quaint reasoning, but I am sure it has something more to do with the fact that it's terribly maladaptive for the females of the species to constantly be lactating to feed every member of the herd from birth to death because every member has a strict nutritional dependency upon it that never waned. It makes more sense that near to sexual maturation and autonomy, members grow to procure their own food through hunting or gathering, so that their mother can devote social and biological resources toward new offspring, furthering their genetic line. Nou, are you writing this down?

The evolution of humans from hunter-gatherers to agriculturalists was not exactly uniform across all societies, and that could be due to innumerable geographical and psychosocial factors. For example, perhaps (speculation, here) the damp soil or fauna of eastern Asia prevented cattle husbandry to the point where milk would have been a cost-effective resource- perhaps smaller animals such as pigs and goats were more conducive to the satellite farms of their family and cultural dynamic, making meat from said animals a better source of nutrition than allowing them to live as milk machines.

In contrast, the rocky ground of Europe and thus the Northern European descent into North America produced a stock of people who came from an environment and culture that came to value particular agricultural techniques conducive to their topography; one actual example I know of is the presence of butter and cream in Northern Italian cooking versus the presence of olive oil in southern Italian cooking. The terrain shift and the ability for Northern Italy's soil to handle large, hooved animals like cattle has everything to do with this dietary shift as Southern Italy's soft, wet soil would tend to make a poor environment for those same beasts.

Obviously there is a ton of conjecture on my behalf, but I think it's mere circumstance and evolutionary artifact that many humans have evolved an almost programmed intolerance for certain dairy. The fact is that if it doesn't affect you adversely, it's not only safe, but a nutritional, vitamin-rich product that many humans have certainly re-adapted to consuming once agricultural means developed to the point they are at in our current age.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 So do you. Pretty much everyone in my family drank milk every day for between 25-55 years, and are perfectly fine.

No I don't, did you read the part I quoted?

In general it's bad as most people on earth will get ill because they are lactose intolerant, expect Europeans and North-Americans who adapted to drinking milk after childhood.
That's the explanation why your and my family didn't get ill from drinking milk. I'm daily drinking milk for 38 years now.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB No I don't, did you read the part I quoted? In general it's bad as most people on earth will get ill because they are lactose intolerant, expect Europeans and North-Americans who adapted to drinking milk after childhood. That's the explanation why your and my family didn't get ill from drinking milk. I'm daily drinking milk for 38 years now.

Nothing about milk is bad for people in general. It is only certain people's bodies that are incapable of properly digesting it.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Quaint reasoning, but I am sure it has something more to do with the fact that it's terribly maladaptive for the females of the species to constantly be lactating to feed every member of the herd from birth to death because every member has a strict nutritional dependency upon it that never waned. It makes more sense that near to sexual maturation and autonomy, members grow to procure their own food through hunting or gathering, so that their mother can devote social and biological resources toward new offspring, furthering their genetic line. Nou, are you writing this down? The evolution of humans from hunter-gatherers to agriculturalists was not exactly uniform across all societies, and that could be due to innumerable geographical and psychosocial factors. For example, perhaps (speculation, here) the damp soil or fauna of eastern Asia prevented cattle husbandry to the point where milk would have been a cost-effective resource- perhaps smaller animals such as pigs and goats were more conducive to the satellite farms of their family and cultural dynamic, making meat from said animals a better source of nutrition than allowing them to live as milk machines. In contrast, the rocky ground of Europe and thus the Northern European descent into North America produced a stock of people who came from an environment and culture that came to value particular agricultural techniques conducive to their topography; one actual example I know of is the presence of butter and cream in Northern Italian cooking versus the presence of olive oil in southern Italian cooking. The terrain shift and the ability for Northern Italy's soil to handle large, hooved animals like cattle has everything to do with this dietary shift as Southern Italy's soft, wet soil would tend to make a poor environment for those same beasts. Obviously there is a ton of conjecture on my behalf, but I think it's mere circumstance and evolutionary artifact that many humans have evolved an almost programmed intolerance for certain dairy. The fact is that if it doesn't affect you adversely, it's not only safe, but a nutritional, vitamin-rich product that many humans have certainly re-adapted to consuming once agricultural means developed to the point they are at in our current age.

All true, but I didn't want to go that deep. My parents both grew up at a farm.
Mostly I drink low-fat milk by the way.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Nothing about milk is bad for people in general. It is only certain people's bodies that are incapable of properly digesting it.

For Europeans and North Americans yes, world wide no.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Nothing about milk is bad for people in general. It is only certain people's bodies that are incapable of properly digesting it.

From what I understand, there is an enzyme in milk, before pasteurization, that helps your body digest the milk without you getting a stomach ache or feeling ill. When milk is pasteurized, that enzyme is essentially burned out of the milk. Of course, the milk at your typical grocery store has to be pasteurized, considering the condition it is in when it comes out of the cows that are used because those cows are raised in conditions that make them sick and the milk contaminated with a lot of things that will make you as the consumer sick once it enters your body. Milk that comes from a cow that is grass fed and is allowed to move around on a field is a lot safer to drink.

I've given milk to people who think they are "lactose intolerant" and they were fine after drinking it. Again, it's the milk that is pasteurized that is going to give these people problems because the enzyme is gone and their body just can't put it down properly.

As for me, I just love the taste of milk that comes out of a properly raised and fed cow that goes directly to the bottle.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I used Google translate for this:

You�ve copied that straight from a site that is full of absolute nonsense (and not a single reference). Get a clue.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT From what I understand, there is an enzyme in milk, before pasteurization, that helps your body digest the milk without you getting a stomach ache or feeling ill. When milk is pasteurized, that enzyme is essentially burned out of the milk. Of course, the milk at your typical grocery store has to be pasteurized, considering the condition it is in when it comes out of the cows that are used because those cows are raised in conditions that make them sick and the milk contaminated with a lot of things that will make you as the consumer sick once it enters your body. Milk that comes from a cow that is grass fed and is allowed to move around on a field is a lot safer to drink. I've given milk to people who think they are "lactose intolerant" and they were fine after drinking it. Again, it's the milk that is pasteurized that is going to give these people problems because the enzyme is gone and their body just can't put it down properly. As for me, I just love the taste of milk that comes out of a properly raised and fed cow that goes directly to the bottle.

Again, source? Pasteurization does effect some enzymes in milk, but nothing to suggest this has anything to do with a human�s ability to �put it down properly�.

Bags. bags.

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