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Originally posted by srussell0018 lol @ suzuki being 4 I misspoke. Your brakes failing won't cause you to drive into a wall, it's the gas pedal getting stuck to hardware on the floor. 2.17 million cars.

Oh, thought that that happened because U.S. Prius drivers can't drive

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February 22, 2011 � US: Toyota recalls an additional 2.17 million vehicles for gas pedals that become trapped on floor hardware

You make it look like 2 million cars had the throttle issue. No, there was a brake issue which Toyota found themselves. They were so embarrassed they recalled every single prius that had it to fine tune them and I believe the CEO quit over it as well.

The throttle thing is bullshit. There was one guy who reported it, and even after extensive testing under the same conditions they were never able to reproduce it. Besides, even with a jammed throttle he would still have been able to stop the car either by using the bloody brakes (which work even with full throttle because they interrupt the fuel flow) or by putting it into neutral.
After that every accident that happened with priusses were blamed on this issue for no reason. It only appeared to happen in the US, what a coincidence.

Right, because a massive multi-national company would recall 2 million vehicles for no reason you fucking dolt.

They recalled them because of a self found brake issue, as a precaution. And because they're Japanese, and they really care about these things.
Most manufacturers wouldn't bother with something like that. There are plenty of examples of manufacturers selling fatally flawed cars without a care in the world.

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Originally posted by Bierheld The throttle thing is bullshit. There was one guy who reported it, and even after extensive testing under the same conditions they were never able to reproduce it. Besides, even with a jammed throttle he would still have been able to stop the car either by using the bloody brakes (which work even with full throttle because they interrupt the fuel flow) or by putting it into neutral. After that every accident that happened with priusses were blamed on this issue for no reason. It only appeared to happen in the US, what a coincidence.

This.

Bierheld, don't try arguing with Stephen. He's a nice enough guy, but fucking daft as all hell on occasion.

It is done. 2010 Audi Q5, 20k miles, $29k. Thanks, all, for the help!

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 It is done. 2010 Audi Q5, 20k miles, $29k. Thanks, all, for the help!

Nice.

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 It is done. 2010 Audi Q5, 20k miles, $29k. Thanks, all, for the help!

Awesome!

Uuuuuuuh..... Lancer Evolution!??!? But if you want a family car and have lots of kids stay away from it, if you're single a willing to live life in the fast lane without a doubt get the Evo IX, or if you like the newest one get the Evo X.

It's funny that you keep using this brake argument over and over when the recall of over 2 million vehicles had absolutely fuckall to do with brakes, and everything to do with gas pedals that got stuck to the floor.

Also, lol at you thinking Toyota recalled 2 million cars because of one person's incident which they were never able to reproduce in their own testing.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I can't read. / I don't understand Japanese culture.

fixed that for you

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February 22, 2011 � US: Toyota recalls an additional 2.17 million vehicles for gas pedals that become trapped on floor hardware

I guess the spelling of gas and brake is interchangeable in Japanese.

Listen man, I confess that I was talking from memory and that even though the brake issue recall did happen, it wasn't the one you were talking about. Which is my bad.

Still, you are wrong. The quote you keep posting is not supporting your claims.

There are still no confirmed cases of the sticky pedal issue actually having occurred with fatal consequences. Nor has it occurred disproportionally to cars from other manufacturers:

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Toyota is not the only automobile manufacturer that has issued recalls for unintended acceleration problems. In December 2009, Consumer Reports analyzed 2008 model year NHTSA data for sudden acceleration among Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, GM, Honda, and Nissan, finding 52 complaints involving Toyota vehicles or 41% of complaints among these makes,[240] and every other major car maker is affected.[241][242] Consumer Reports noted that the media publicity around Toyota led to an increase in complaints for 2008 models.[243] In February 2010, National Public Radio obtained the full NHTSA database of 15,000 unintended acceleration complaints over the past decade, and determined that among all manufacturers, Volkswagen had the highest rate of unintended acceleration complaints in 2009 and 2008 (11.5 and 21.6 per 100,000 vehicles respectively), while Suzuki had the highest rate in 2007 and 2006 (27.4 and 24.9 per 100,000 vehicles respectively).[238] Toyota had 7.5, 6.8, 15.2, and 9.7 complaints per 100,000 vehicles in those years.[238] According to NPR's analysis of the NHTSA database, Jaguar, Volvo, and Honda also had high complaints depending on year.[238][244] In February 2010, Edmunds.com released its findings on a review of all NHTSA complaints from 2001 to the present day, conducted in light of the Toyota recall crisis. The review found that despite the recall, during the previous decade Toyota ranked 17th among the 20 major car makes in number of complaints per vehicles sold, with a lower rate of customer complaints from its U.S. customers than the Detroit Big Three, along with Honda, Subaru, Hyundai, Nissan, Isuzu, Suzuki, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Volvo, Volkswagen, and BMW.[245][246] Edmunds.com also noted that any individual can file a NHTSA complaint without providing a Vehicle Identification Number (VIN),[172] which can lead to misleading statistics as "not all NHTSA complaints are created equal" and range from legitimate to nonsensical.[14] On June 5, 2010, NHTSA shut down online access to its complaint database following revelations of redundant, unverifiable entries and improperly secured personal data.[247]

Still, Toyota, as a manufacturer when imposed with such hysteria is hardly in a position to fight these claims and chose to handle it the safe way.
What they actually found was that the optional all-weather floor mats, when fastened incorrectly after a service may have a chance of getting stuck under the gas paddle. They could fix this by making some minor adjustments, so they did by means of a voluntary recall for those concerned about it. Even though there is no evidence to this having caused any sort of accident.

Still, when you put things in perspective it has really been a total non issue. The affected Toyotas were still by far and away some of the safest cars you could buy:

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Odds from Car and Driver indicated that the alleged fatality risk was about 1 in 200,000 recalled Toyota vehicles, versus a 1 in 8,000 risk of a fatal car accident in any car in the U.S.,[18] while Consumer Reports stated a 1 in 10,000 chance of anunintended acceleration complaint out of 20 million Toyotas on the road.[17]

There are many more kinks, you can read the full story here.

I just don't buy it considering the circumstances. If you do I'd like to see why.

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 It is done. 2010 Audi Q5, 20k miles, $29k. Thanks, all, for the help!

Good choice, good deal, was I they only SUV voter?

Happy drivings


srussell0018, Bierheld is right.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Good choice, good deal, was I they only SUV voter? Happy drivings

Thanks! Yes, it seems you were the only SUV voter. I didn't even plan to make it an option, but threw it in as a third choice. And yet here I am!

I'll post a vid with the sound system shortly. Next upgrade:

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 Hmm maybe I'll have to reconsider, but the Dart doesn't seem to do it for me. The Outback has the clearance I'd want for hiking, but the 2.5 is slllooww and the 3.6 is $$$ (the local dealerships only carry the Limited editions, and run $35-37k. I'm surprised there's no car with AWD, automatic, and decent acceleration for under $30k.

Suzuki Kizashi. Awd only comes in auto. No turbo either but its supp to be a fun drive. Otherwise i would say smth audi ish. But unless it is under warranty or extended warr you should double the purchase price for general upkeep. The 08ish RS4 is easily one of the best cars i have driven gf needs to learn stick tho

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