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Originally posted by CocaineAudio I don't really know if he still makes music now, but When he made his hits.. He was using sounds that were hot during that time period.. If your listening to his old stuff.. of course it will sound old to you.. synths of that time period don't sound like synths we use in todays edm world.. and rap music ? really? so your saying beats tupac and biggie rapped on sound like what's being put out today? your an idiot lol

what the fuck am I reading

Daft punk is a duo and most of their stuff is rearranged samples from 80s records

most of their stuff is overcompressed 909s and 303s imo.

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Originally posted by CocaineAudio I don't really know if he still makes music now, but When he made his hits.. He was using sounds that were hot during that time period.. If your listening to his old stuff.. of course it will sound old to you.. synths of that time period don't sound like synths we use in todays edm world.. and rap music ? really? so your saying beats tupac and biggie rapped on sound like what's being put out today? your an idiot lol

sort this shit out!

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Originally posted by clay most of their stuff is overcompressed 909s and 303s imo.

can you name 1 track apart from da funk that uses the 303 as an important element ?

He quoted when I said that a producers biggest mistake is using Old SOunds

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Originally posted by vercetti Didn't do Daft Punk any harm, or every hip hop producer ever.

he said that and my response is..

In rap music.. Producers arent using the same sounds that were hot 10 years ago feel me? Timbaland isn't in high demand now a days.. Pharrel stil kinda is.. but their not as relevant in hip hop music as they once were..

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Originally posted by shpanda Very good points here. My biggest mistakes are the same already mentioned: - Using presets (and using HUGE amount of time going trough the presets and trying to find the right one - instead of learning how to make the sound) - Tweaking one tiny detail for hours and never finish the track.

There's nothing wrong with using presets. As long as you use them to make a good song. You can make and tweak and design as many fucking sounds as you want, but if your melody and arrangement and creativity are not there... There's no point!

Make good music, with whatever you have.

I hate this elitist shit going on online where if you don't design your own sounds than you suck.. Well avicii is making millions and touring the world.. And he uses prests in almost all his productions... He's doing something right

Are you going to criticize bethovens work because he didn't invent cellos?

the focus and skill in classical music was elsewhere. In dance, the only thing you are adding to the musical canon is production. So it isn't a fair comparison and I think using presets is something producers do because they lack the ability , concern or patience.

And regarding Beethoven, he wrote for the cello in ways others didn't. So even in that regard, he wasn't copying.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the focus and skill in classical music was elsewhere. In dance, the only thing you are adding to the musical canon is production. So it isn't a fair comparison and I think using presets is something producers do because they lack the ability , concern or patience. And regarding Beethoven, he wrote for the cello in ways others didn't. So even in that regard, he wasn't copying.

Doesn't matter how he wrote.. He using that instrument. It makes the same sound and he was creatively using it.

A sound is a sound.. Whether you produce the sound or not.. The song is all that matters at the end. Nobody gives a shit at the end of the day how the sound was constructed. People value the end product.

what percentage would the cello account for the intellectual weight of his work ?

Sound creation is one of the few things EDM is adding so it is somewhat important for me that an artist is someone that has their own sound.

Some people have low standards. That is your prerogative. I don't' expect you to have the standards I do. But to me, it matters. Hearing productions that use dated presets is just something that bothers me because i care how it sounds. I've the sounds are the same, the track has no purpose. Because that is all EDM is adding. production.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney what percentage would the cello account for the intellectual weight of his work ? Sound creation is one of the few things EDM is adding so it is somewhat important for me that an artist is someone that has their own sound.

You are pigeon holing Edm as the genre where sounds should be made by artists, what about other genres. Why the double standard?

If an Edm artist started using elephant noises in his songs and it worked, and the song was well produced, there's really nothing wrong with it. This can be applied with all songs. A sound is a sound at the end of the day, it's how you use it that makes it creative.

If sound design was as valued as the creation of a song, we would see many famous preset designers headlining parties.. But that's not the reality.

like i said, your standard is not my standard.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney like i said, your standard is not my standard.

There's the elitist attitude I was talkin about

never said you were not entitled to your standard. And yes, i suppose you could say I favour better made music. That fits the criteria of elitism. Thank god there are enough musicians that also have an aesthetic that is better , more refined and more valuable as art. Elitism is only bad when used to prevent or dissuade others in sharing something you love.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney never said you were not entitled to your standard. And yes, i suppose you could say I favour better made music. That fits the criteria of elitism. Thank god there are enough musicians that also have an aesthetic that is better , more refined and more valuable as art. Elitism is only bad when used to prevent or dissuade others in sharing something you love.

you mean like when you dissuade people from posting by creating this persona that they can never know won't shit on them for speaking their mind or sharing their art? cause for some reason i think it'll suddenly be "well then they should grow up, I'm always right, it's not even art they're so shit" and not "you're right, i'm stifling discussion in the whole forum by being overly aggressive wherever I go".

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the focus and skill in classical music was elsewhere. In dance, the only thing you are adding to the musical canon is production.

In which genres are artists still able to add melodies to the musical canon? Or is it a case of "every melody has been made, don't use melodies"? For someone who wants to compose melodies, which genre is acceptable to work in?

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Originally posted by wayfinder you mean like when you dissuade people from posting by creating this persona that they can never know won't shit on them for speaking their mind or sharing their art? cause for some reason i think it'll suddenly be "well then they should grow up, I'm always right, it's not even art they're so shit" and not "you're right, i'm stifling discussion in the whole forum by being overly aggressive wherever I go".

i understand this little crusade of yours started right after I commented on a few of your posts which probably involved you saying something inaccurate and me fixing your gaff. Rather pathetic and childish. When you take your ball home, tell your mom I say hi and that the rash that seems to have taken residency in her vagina wasn't from me.

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Originally posted by derail , which genre is acceptable to work in?

Are you really asking for permission ? Dude what ever the fuck you want to do.

To answer your question, you would have to use microtonal tuning, you would have to not use western tradition and the end result will sound so foreign that most will think it is rather shitty.

But if you are going to stick to western tonality, just accept that its been done. I don't see the problem. If you find it interesting, then who cares.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Are you really asking for permission ? Dude what ever the fuck you want to do.

No, not asking for permission. Just pointing out that your "the only thing about dance music is production" opinion is just that - an opinion. If that opinion works for you, great, but many people don't share it.

But as you say, you're welcome to your opinion!

it is an opinion shared by the greatest composers of all time. Schoenberg and all the modernists didn't ditch tonality because it was hard, they realized there was nowhere to go. Jazz also pretty much fizzled in the late 60s.

After that, the only thing that has been changing is aesthetic. Why do you think every single track lately is some reboot ? Because there is no point. Its been done. Just do the original with a twist.

Those that don't know music history, theory and whose vocabulary of music comprises 10 years are those that think those melodies they are doing are fresh.

I also never said melody doesn't count. I said that what is changing in music is not melody related. Good art is new art and what is new in music is production. I never said it wasn't possible, but you aren't going to do it using western tonality.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i understand this little crusade of yours started right after I commented on a few of your posts which probably involved you saying something inaccurate and me fixing your gaff. Rather pathetic and childish. When you take your ball home, tell your mom I say hi and that the rash that seems to have taken residency in her vagina wasn't from me.

not at all, that's not the pattern by which i operate and i don't think you've corrected me anything important yet. i just think you're a pompous shithead who lies at least 50% of the time and trolls the other 50, and you're making this board worse with your presence, real knowledge or not. take your fake degrees and your fake asperger and fuck off, make all of our lives better.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I also never said melody doesn't count. I said that what is changing in music is not melody related. Good art is new art and what is new in music is production. I never said it wasn't possible, but you aren't going to do it using western tonality.

Okay, fine. I guess I'm trying to understand why you're singling out EDM - following your logic, what is any genre these days "adding to the musical canon" besides "production"?

In any case, my point is that whether or not the only thing being added is production, a lot of listeners don't care about it. For me, if a song doesn't have a strong melody, it can be as original and creative as it wants, production-wise, and it's not going to mean a thing. On the other hand, if it's just a guy with an acoustic guitar, same "production" as has been heard a billion times, but playing a great melody - yeah, I'd much rather spend my time listening to that.

And that's fine - we all like what we like. Some people like certain sports, some people like certain foods, some people like new production techniques. Each to their own.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney never said you were not entitled to your standard. And yes, i suppose you could say I favour better made music. That fits the criteria of elitism. Thank god there are enough musicians that also have an aesthetic that is better , more refined and more valuable as art. Elitism is only bad when used to prevent or dissuade others in sharing something you love.

Da Vinci used egg yolk in his paintings.

Get over yourself

i used shit in my productions earlier obtaining shit productions somehow.

I can't be arsed reading through seven pages so I will butt right in with my opinion. The worst thing a new producer can do is aspire to be/sound like/suck up to anyone else. And secondly , not to be drawn into what to 'use'. That argument is now boring.

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