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Originally posted by astroboy Osama wasn't a terrorist yet. He was Mujahadin (sp?) fighter, defending Afghanistan against unprovoked Soviet aggression. He didn't attack any russian civilians, only soldiers.

btw ossama was trained by the CIA... not very smart was it?

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Originally posted by davinox HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAa dies laughing. that was quite possibly the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life.

Mmm what was ? do you have any BASED information to support why you say it ? .. it would be interesting to know.

I was watching Three Kings yesterday.... cool flick. It actually talked about the stupidness of Bush Sr. during the Gulf War, and kinda made you look at it through an Iraqi's point of view.

Entertaining too.

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie what.,.. you are against the fact i just wrote ? What I'm trying to tell is that the ol' meaning of war is stupid. thats what happens when you get into other peoples business... Are you tell us that killin soldiers is right ? they are man... like you and I.

Killing is always stupid. But there is a difference between two sets of equipped and trained soldiers who go into the conflict expecting danger, pain, suffering and possible death, and someone killing innocent civillians - this is the difference between war and terrorism. In my mind a soldier that shoots an enemy soldier during war, is not morally culpable for the death, whereas someone who sets of a bomb in a public are, killing many innocent civillians, deserves no mercy. This was a line that Osama crossed a long time after he was helped by the US.
The US was helping a man who was defending his country from the Russians (in this case the Afghans could either lay down and submit, or stand up and fight - they had no choice). At the time he was being supported by the US, Osama was a soldier fighting for a good cause. When he masterminded and carried out the plans for the attacks on American embassies in Africa and the attack of S11, he became a terrorist.

Perhaps it can be argued that the US has knowingly supported terrorism at some stage, but the example you gave is certainly not an example of such support.

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Originally posted by dj_nomiz btw ossama was trained by the CIA... not very smart was it?

At the time it was in the interests of the US that the SOviet Union didn't get a hold of Afghanistan, as this would guarantee them a monopoly on Caspian oil. Also, there was no way they could have known that he would turn into their most hated enemy. If anything their mistake was not giving enough support to Massoud and his people, this would have created a more balanced power-base and possibly prevented the Taliban from gaining power in the first place.

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Originally posted by Izzy yup and guess who didnt let Bush 1 do the job right the first time? it was the UN and europe who were screaming "overkill, overkill", but at the time everyone was blind to what can happen by letting terror fester and plan out attacks. US should have taken him out then and there... end of story.

right on i totally agree. this shit should've been taken care of in 90. end of story.

oh, btw, europeans, go ahead and bitch and complain about Pres. Bush. Like most of you actually know what's going down...u listen to what the "no free speech" governemt controlled media/tv tells you. way to go!

>JM<

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Originally posted by dj_nomiz btw ossama was trained by the CIA... not very smart was it?

may GOD forgive your soul for coming up with such astronomically false and bullshit remarks. DOOD....does your TV tell you all this great stuff??? i mean, where you all you Canadians, Europeans, as well as Aussies get your info from??? your sources suck ass, not to mention, they're turning all of you anti-American....great....and then when THE USA puts a trade barrier against some of your countries, you bitch and complain...please...you are all a bunch of fukkin wankers who like to bitch and complain and put blame on USA for no real reason - try to understand what is REALLY going down before you speak again.

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>JM<

Actually I've got CNN on my TV. What non-US channels do you have on yours?

This is just another of Bushes ploys for the oil.

I hate the motherf*cker as soon as he said Iran or other countries are terrorists, i mean he has no FUCKING right to call Iran or anohter country a terrorist..

America is a fucking hypocrite, america is the fucking terrorist, they are the ones that are creating this bullshit..

September 11 had a reason behind it, the Afghans are not cold blooded, but they do take revenges options..

The reason behind Sep 11 was a fight between Russia and USA, USA called the Afghans to help, as soon as the Afghans helped then USA fled their own fucking war, bloody chicken shits...

Where do you get your information from? I'm noty anti-US at all, I support any actions against Saddam's regime, I'm just not naive enopugh to believe that the US is concerned about the plight of the Iraqi people. As for the trade barrier thing (are you talking about the farmers' subsidies?), that's just old fashioned, protectionist economic policy, as well as being hypocritical.
Here's an article about wht people are talking about when they say the US supported Bin Laden:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.print.html

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Originally posted by trancaholic Actually I've got CNN on my TV. What non-US channels do you have on yours?

i think we have every single english news channel existing (UK channels too)
we're the news country, too much action

by the way, when's the US next elections? i want the democrats back

I was extremely impressed by Tony Blairs statement about obeying international law, if the UK help the US remove Saddam, something which Bush clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about. Anyone see the anti war protest in London yesterday? 400,000 ppl campaigning against military action in Iraq, and it was organised in less than 48 hours. If it'd been widely advertised, I'm sure the numbers would have been far far more than that. I know I'd have been there

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Originally posted by Juricimo may GOD forgive your soul for coming up with such astronomically false and bullshit remarks. DOOD....does your TV tell you all this great stuff??? i mean, where you all you Canadians, Europeans, as well as Aussies get your info from??? your sources suck ass, not to mention, they're turning all of you anti-American....great....and then when THE USA puts a trade barrier against some of your countries, you bitch and complain...please...you are all a bunch of fukkin wankers who like to bitch and complain and put blame on USA for no real reason - try to understand what is REALLY going down before you speak again. ... >JM<

i make most of it up... God forgive me
btw i did say, i would be pro it... IF it was necesarry
p.s read this: http://www.zmag.org/aliqa.htm after u read that, tell me where U get ur sources from. i hope i shut u up badly the internet obviously says ossama was trained by the CIA may GOD forgive u for being naive... unless the internet is full of bullshit as well? hmmm....
talk about being hypocritical, do some research urself. ur post is full of shit

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Originally posted by Narcotic Mind i think we have every single english news channel existing (UK channels too) we're the news country, too much action by the way, when's the US next elections? i want the democrats back

YEah .. who doesnt..

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Originally posted by Az I was extremely impressed by Tony Blairs statement about obeying international law, if the UK help the US remove Saddam, something which Bush clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about. Anyone see the anti war protest in London yesterday? 400,000 ppl campaigning against military action in Iraq, and it was organised in less than 48 hours. If it'd been widely advertised, I'm sure the numbers would have been far far more than that. I know I'd have been there

You may know o not .. but if you know.. why is BLAIR trying to help Mr. Bush ? why is he acting as STUPID as HE IS ? I mean..whats up with that ? Dont look good at all for publci relations heaving UK helping out with all this nonsense.

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Originally posted by Juricimo right on i totally agree. this shit should've been taken care of in 90. end of story. oh, btw, europeans, go ahead and bitch and complain about Pres. Bush. Like most of you actually know what's going down...u listen to what the "no free speech" governemt controlled media/tv tells you. way to go! >JM<

if u were refering to australia as well... u seriously have no idea wat ur talking about

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Originally posted by fastmp3 and why are you agressive about attacking Iraq ? you like it when innocents die ? sure sadam is bad and should leave , but it's not the iraqi ppl who have to suffer the consequences . and it's none of ur friggin business if i don't have the canadian flag on my profile (to answer you about the other thread) ... DIVERSITY NOT ASSIMILATION

I want to invade Iraq now, because I don't want to wake up one day covered in anthrax or be in the exterior ring of a nuclear blast - that's why. You knew I was reffering to the Hussein administration when I said "Iraq", you didn't have to cry foul. Also, look at the other people in here that support bombing/invading Iraq - you aren't upset at them?

Also, when my country is insulted it very damn well is my business.

-i'm not upset about them because no one said "blow the mother******s" or something of this genre , each one has his opinion which i respect but he has to express it politely
-war = war , if you bomb iraq they will do the impossible to bomb you back
-iraq has no reason to bomb Canada
-no one insulted Canada , so i still don't know why you said that comment

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Originally posted by Juricimo may GOD forgive your soul for coming up with such astronomically false and bullshit remarks. DOOD....does your TV tell you all this great stuff??? i mean, where you all you Canadians, Europeans, as well as Aussies get your info from??? your sources suck ass, not to mention, they're turning all of you anti-American....great....and then when THE USA puts a trade barrier against some of your countries, you bitch and complain...please...you are all a bunch of fukkin wankers who like to bitch and complain and put blame on USA for no real reason - try to understand what is REALLY going down before you speak again.

LOL, canadian television is dominated by American tv channels. NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, we have it all.

Do YOU know whats going on? Osama Bin Laden was trained by the United States to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, Iraqi soldiers were trained by the US to fight against Iran, and your government admits to that. I'm not gonna argue the irony or the motives behind that, but you seem to be talking out of your ass.

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Originally posted by LiquidX You may know o not .. but if you know.. why is BLAIR trying to help Mr. Bush ? why is he acting as STUPID as HE IS ? I mean..whats up with that ? Dont look good at all for publci relations heaving UK helping out with all this nonsense.

With the UK having the 4rd largest Economy on earth, being one of the main diplomatic powers, and having played a large part in the mess that is the Middle East atm, Blairs trying to sort it all out, whether or not he thinks the best way to sort it out is to side with america or not, he's come out and said the UK will stick to international law, thats something Bush has not done

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie I don't have good references but all that I'll post is true. OK here it goes: fact: saddam has chemical and biological weapons and has used them on innocent civilians before fact: saddam got his weapons from guess who ? USA !!! that great land of freedom and seeking for peace. How did that happend ? back in old years... A US General gave Iraq chemical and biological weapons so they could use them on Iran. fact: Iraq never used them against Iran... oups

most of what you posted is true, and i agree with your opinion. However, iraq DID use chemical weapons in the iran-iraq war.

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One of the chemical-warfare instances reported by Iran, at Hoor-ul-Huzwaizeh on 13 March 1984, has since been conclusively verified by an international team of specialists dispatched to Iran by the United Nations Secretary General. The evidence adduced in the report by the UN team lends substantial credence to Iranian allegations of Iraqi chemical warfare on at least six other occasions during the period from 26 February to 17 March. The efficiency and dispatch with which this UN verification operation was mounted stand greatly to the credit of the Secretary General. His hand had presumably been strengthened by the announcement on 7 March by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) that 160 cases of wounded combatants visited in Tehran hospitals by an ICRC team "presented a clinical picture whose nature leads to the presumption of the recent use of substances prohibited by international law". The casualties visited were reportedly all victims of an incident on 27 February.

source:
http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/resear...sheet-1984.html

Iraq has chemical weapons, and will not be afraid to use them, saddamn is a brutal dictator.

This is an interesting thread, i am reading along, just wanted to point out this small inaccuracy.

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Originally posted by Az With the UK having the 4rd largest Economy on earth, being one of the main diplomatic powers, and having played a large part in the mess that is the Middle East atm, Blairs trying to sort it all out, whether or not he thinks the best way to sort it out is to side with america or not, he's come out and said the UK will stick to international law, thats something Bush has not done

Stick to international law ? which is ? cause as far as I know, Blair is wedding to go with the US and attack Iraq weather it is or not aproved by UN. Correct me if Im wrong, but thats what I understant.

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis I hate the motherf*cker as soon as he said Iran or other countries are terrorists, i mean he has no FUCKING right to call Iran or anohter country a terrorist..

honestly i hope iran is next, dont even start telling me that terror organizations arent based out of iran, there are many all the way from al-quida to islamic jihad and everything in between. what does thier government do about it, absolutely nothing, if not even aiding it. btw astro-boy i love your definition of terrorism. thats how i see it exactly
btw iran - iraq - araft link proof:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain523604.shtml
it comes on in 20 minutes here in american im going to watch.

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Originally posted by Izzy honestly i hope iran is next, dont even start telling me that terror organizations arent based out of iran, there are many all the way from al-quida to islamic jihad and everything in between. what does thier government do about it, absolutely nothing, if not even aiding it. btw astro-boy i love your definition of terrorism. thats how i see it exactly btw iran - iraq - araft link proof: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain523604.shtml it comes on in 20 minutes here in american im going to watch.

"Israeli intelligence officials tell Lesley Stahl they can now prove that Iraq and Iran are secretly financing and directing acts of terrorism against Israel. "

Hey... you didn'T read what I post before ?

USA financed Iraq and Bin Laden...
And Isreal is financed by USA and did you knew that every Jew in the world have to give money to Israel ?

SHUTB THE FUCK UP !!!!! ITS ALL AMERICANS FAULT IS EVERYTHING GOES WRONG IN THE PLANET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I remember when the american was spying on some country.. i think it was China... or Japan... tehy were using a airplane and teh plane crashed in the ocean... CHina or Japan picked up the plane... the American authorities asked them to not open or use the material stuff that was in the plane......
They sent the plane back to Americans piece per piece !
Take that preeks !

What kind of idiots give to a potential enemy powerful weapons ?
Americans !!!

And don't tell me that all this was in the past and it doesn't count...
" What we do in life... Echoes in eternity " - Maximus, (Gladiator)

this quote is taken to tell you that they got into shit while back and now they are paying back the shit they made !

And you can tell whatever you want about Arafat ... but he won a nobel price for Peace !!! in your face... and even if now he is into something with Iraq and Iran... HE IS THE ONLY TRUE LEADER OF THE PALESTINIANS !!! and you can't do shit about it ! and the day he'll be killed... the arabs are gonna do a fucking mess all over the place...
and don't like to tell whats gonna happen next... but the israelies and the americans are gonna pay big time .

This is my final word about this topic... u can say this and that about who or whatever you want... but watch what will happen if one of those little mistakes is done.

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