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The fact is, if you're really willing to make a change you need to do surgery. And hormones.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I guess it could be boring to someone who has embarked on some spiritual odyssey wherein they've issued themselves carte blanche to mythologize their own existence. But I think everyone would be much better off if they realized that we ARE our bodies. This is it. You won't get a do-over in the dirt. So curate the most fertile time you can manage, and leave the spirituality to the people who are worried about their personal extinction.

You obviously have been reading too much Dostoyevsky and Nietzche, so stop trying to force your opinion of a purposeless, pointless bleak existence upon others. I've heard this shit way too many times. I suppose the abyss has been looking back at you? I've been there.

We get it. Life is shit and we are shit. It's boring. And not necessarily true.

Yes and no. You are what you are, you just get better at it with age.

brain tumors can radically change who you are

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Originally posted by de+ brain tumors can radically change who you are

Exactly. You ARE your fucking frontal lobe. You can't negotiate around this fact however much you try.

Yeah well I stopped taking Hal's opinion seriously after the marriage.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Exactly. You ARE your fucking frontal lobe. You can't negotiate around this fact however much you try.

As opposed to?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred As opposed to?

A menagerie of gaseous pareidolic anthropomorphisms?

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson Yeah well I stopped taking Hal's opinion seriously after the marriage.

Well, you know your assessment is airtight when it falls in line with IGK's.

I thought we were those too?

Maybe it was just me, then.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay Yes and no. You are what you are, you just get better at it with age.

First practical answer so far.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Well, you know your assessment is airtight when it falls in line with IGK's.

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Originally posted by Robotrance i have changed as much as Windows have changed from XP to Win 10 (me too also skipped version 9 and learned that every second version of myself is a failure, also my biggest faulty personality was during Vista days, I guess 2006/2007-ish?). i wouldnt call it change, more like evolve/adapt to new times. im still the old me, but with a 64bit shell.

Since I know you're going to delete this soon, I'm quoting it for the archives.

LOL

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson It's very easy to break humans down through psychology, neuroscience, etc. and come up with an answer.

No its actually very difficult. Its in fact still impossible to do so with our current understanding of the brain

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And a little unromantic? Pffft.

Even if we did have a full understanding of the brain, i dont see why it has to be unromantic. This argument somehow reminds me of people clinging to religion because its comforting and not because its true. Its childish

"Inspect every piece of pseudo-science and you will find a security blanket, a thumb to suck, a skirt to hold." - Isaac Asimov

Meh. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

According to psychiatrists, the genesis of the persona is done between 19-24, so basically the way you react/act at about that age will determine who you are. But without a shadow of a doubt can dramatic events change the way one sees life.

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Originally posted by Robotrance i wouldnt call it change, more like evolve

So, has the world as we know it changed or just evolved?

Make a track about it.

I'm just biding my time until the singularity occurs.

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Originally posted by Robotrance i have changed the last 12 years as much as Windows have changed from XP to Win 10 (me too also skipped version 9 and learned that every second version of myself is a failure, also my biggest faulty personality was during Vista days, I guess 2006/2007-ish?). i wouldnt call it change, more like evolve/adapt to new times. im still the old me, but with a 64bit shell.

Lol, I love it when you ask an engineer to fathom the meaning of life. They'll tell you what OS is relates to.

I'm agreeing with SystemJ on this one, but one thing no one is mentioning is how we change due to predefined genetics over time. Sure we're products of our environments and experiences, but certain aspects are somewhat preprogrammed. I worked with someone who was an adopted twin. At age 21 she found her adopted sister and they arranged to meet.

They had grown up in completed different socioeconomic situations and on other sides of the country. The both wore the same top to their first meeting. It turned out they had interests in all the same sports, same literature and even had similar work interests. I freaked them both out.

Granted twins may be an acute example, but we all carry behavioral traits from our parents and grandparents regardless of nurture.

Do people change? yes. Everything from my desires to intentions to behaviour. I was clinically hyperactive as a kid to the point they wanted to put me on tranqs. I mellowed out by the time I was 20. Many fo the thing I wanted so badly in my teens I have no desire for now. Many of the things I wanted in my early 20's hold little interest now and things I want now were not even a consideration a few years ago.

Part of it is growing, but part are things we want to affect and can, and part of it is influence that we have no control over such as genetics or environment.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I freaked them both out.

I bet you did

If you change, are you still you? How big or small of a change? What makes you, you? Personal identity, dammit, what is it?

Fun stuff, with no objective answer, of course. I don't really like your answer, though, Jenny, that somehow there is A person buried underneath all of this garbage. Seems rather teleological, no? Or, suggesting that there is an ultimate 'you' that you are supposed to become. Due to what? I doubt you'll say soul, so I'm guessing genetics? But why are the life experiences we suffer/enjoy, that make observable changes in our personalities, not as real as our genetics/soul/essence? There may indeed be certain people who never change, perhaps who are incapable of change, but can't we agree there are many examples of prominent people who have had dramatic experiences that substantially altered who they were - by altering the intentions/desires/attitudes/beliefs/etc that make us who we are.

Denying people change seems rather myopic.

And in regards to the twin topic, there are plenty of studies that have shown that many things are indeed genetically based, but there are also plenty of things that are not. Nature v nurture, blah blah blah.

Well what if I WAS going to say soul?

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