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Originally posted by inversoundzzz maybe back n 1970, you caould call using an arp odyssey electronic music....but today, it is basically an acoustic instrument.

From the 'other' forum

My chronic flatulence is electronic nowadays.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Let's put it this way. How much does the analog vs digital debate matters if you're producing dubstep?

jack shit just like "warmth" is just a sign of incompetence within dubstep

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb...loguewarmth.htm


read this if you get a chance, it should settle the confusion on what "warmth" actually is to you guys that have never worked with analogue or the like.


it all really comes down to , does it matter to YOU ?

That sure ain't nothing, i just got these bad boys for warmth for my set up.



My parents just got it for me, 16,000.

http://www.thecableco.com/Product/Siltech-Empress-Double-Crown

Now all my au and vsts will be warm, idk about you guys but this is what I reckon with.

What do you reckon with?

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Originally posted by PaULiN0 That sure ain't nothing, i just got these bad boys for warmth for my set up. My parents just got it for me, 16,000. http://www.thecableco.com/Product/S...ss-Double-Crown Now all my au and vsts will be warm, idk about you guys but this is what I reckon with. What do you reckon with?

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Let's put it this way. How much does the analog vs digital debate matters if you're producing dubstep?

How much does anything matter if you're producing dubstep?

Wow, what the fuck is going here guys. Let's keep the fucking c0r, er in the fucking c0r.

It's not actually a bad thread idea, but the entire premise is flawed.

"Warmth" in the traditional sense comes from a complex of electrons moving between conductors in controlled vacuum environment and...(Rann bores everyone to shit explaining how tubes work so time to FFWD). THis is an entirely electrical (not electronic) process that happen to an analogue signal.

Therefore any "warmth" anyone speaks of outside of that one true process is nothing but emulation; It's not warmth - it's just applied coloration to attempt to achieve simulated warmth.

Invariably, these do create more problems that they're worth as real warmth is an incredibly subtle thing.

Ever used say a 1940's Neumann SM2? Then thing doesn't even sound like it should until it's been on half an hour and that tube is nice an hot. Even then it's an incredibly esoteric thing describe.

You start getting in to gearslutz territory where people start using words like "round" and "smooth" and "open" or "deep" to describe audio signals.

My take is, unless you really fucking know what you're doing, and can also do it in incredible minute and nuanced detail, stay the hell away from trying to attempt to add digital warmth to your tracks.

You'll get 1000% more out of picking better samples and learning great EQ technique than you ever will by slapping the PSP vintage warmer on your mix and thinking it sounds better. It doesn't.

One thing though (and not to completely contradict myself), there is a gray area and somewhat a ghost in the machine; When you listen to a lot of the older tracks from EDM (early-mid 90's) there's something about them that has an energy and warmth, that despite today's obvious incredible advancements, our music these days doesn't capture.

Sure some can be down to slightly innacurate midi timing (which psychoacoustically makes us think it's more natural or organic) but maybe there's something to using to using real synths and recording their outputs that imparts a tangible difference that you just don't seem to get entirely ITB.

Still, a lot of perceived 'warmth' is negated by the digital top end so rolling off those highs that you can't hear but do add up is a step in the right direction.

Mentioned it already many many times
Digital is better in CLEAN mixing.
stay away from "analogue" plugins
EQ subtractive
keep your levels sane.

Your recording will sound "warmer" because you have a cleaner mix, with less soft clipped shite and harsch artifacts.
with healthly transient response rather than mushy peas due to "analogue" plugins.

let's put this to bed for once and for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUd8EH11dBc

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Originally posted by Raphie let's put this to bed for once and for all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUd8EH11dBc

How does $40k worth of analogue moogs, played back through shitty youtube flash compression prove anything?

even at shitty 128kbitrate it already sounds better than vsti's ever will

Actually, there is no real difference sound quality wise. The advantage hardware synths have over software, is the tactility. On a VST, you edit the parameters by clicking with a mouse, dragging with it, in a rather slow and inflexible manner. With hardware synths though, there is much more of a flow going on, moving your hands from one knob to the other.

The real issue is preset dependence.

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Originally posted by pointPi Actually, there is no real difference sound quality wise. The advantage hardware synths have over software, is the tactility. On a VST, you edit the parameters by clicking with a mouse, dragging with it, in a rather slow and inflexible manner. With hardware synths though, there is much more of a flow going on, moving your hands from one knob to the other. The real issue is preset dependence.

lol


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see this is the problem people making post like this

there is a difference sound quality wise TO MUSICIANS, because in a analogue synth the electronics, inside of the box behave like a actually instrument when activated. When a band is on stage the real thing is always going to be better then a software emulation. More often than not people want to recreate that in the studio

this is what software can't recreate because no matter what you do , you are always messing with dialled in numbers there is a limit 0, but to your everyday edm producer the modulation capabilities and wavetables in massive (which is not trying to emulate anything btw and is its own beast) far out number any sort of benefit you can get from pushing a moog to get that saturation goodness..

so all in all what's been regurgitated in this thread already its just different.

https://soundcloud.com/steeboo/vavsanalog/s-RmmCe

Take your pick,,, difference is very clear to me,

One thing I noticed is that not all analog gear sounds warm to my ears. Each synth has dif sound character and once you buy you're either stuck or trade or sell alright and now I'm using all my outboard hardware to max use and for about maybe 5-8% quality difference and I'm talking about Bass Station 2 to Harrison EQ to Analog Delay to Lynx Thunderbolt in mixer. For the most part its def about workflow and tactile control, who knows maybe i'll hear more of a difference when my traps and panels come. My 02 No Pun.

I would love try raphie's setup and have a session going but he lives to far.

Sell some of your expensive stuffs and you got a round trip to Almere, NL covered no probs. If I'm not mistaken Raphie lives there.

Reckon or not I'm selling all my audiophile products that i bought because all I wanted was warmth when their def better ways to get it. Anyway which it includes 1,000 IC XLR's. One 600 Thunderbolt cable and EM Cell Conditioner which took more away than let out,

Yeah see I made the most the dumbest decisions here on prod board probably and now i'm trying control my impulse purchases and do research first and ask around.

Yeah I fell into the rabit hole.

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Originally posted by Robotrance analog sucks. there i said it. its always something unpredictable with an analog machine destroying the sound of some sort, almost as unpredicable and destructive as humans. i like perfect math, exact numbers and 100% control. i could never get that with analog. but with digital i know that when the knob says 87 it is fucking 87, not 87 and a half and sometimes 86,9 even without touching it. this magic that is analog aproximately thinking is of no use to me, same as electronic calculations was 10 years ago at engineering school compared to digital technic and programming. things must be exact and in systems, mathematicly correct - music too. and not to mention how much easy it is to back up, edit, copy-pasta. digital hands down wins. and it can too be "warm" whatever hell that is.

you're very disconnected from reality

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Originally posted by Robotrance that may be but my conviction gives results. its not always about right or wrong but stick to your own believes and forget everything else to be able to focus on end results.

If you're happy, that's what it's all about in the end.

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Originally posted by Robotrance that may be but my conviction gives results.

What results? Have you ever tried to produce with analog machines?

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its not always about right or wrong but stick to your own believes and forget everything else to be able to focus on end results.

Nobody's talking about right or wrong.

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Originally posted by Robotrance yes. but no not analog synthesizers but virtual analogs like clavia, virus, microq and jp8080...

That's not analog.

Nobody's discrediting your preferred modus operandi, if you feel digital is right for you, you should stick to it.

I'm surprised nobody is getting flamed< i remember when i started these discussions, holy hell, was i bashed into a stone pit.

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Originally posted by Robotrance its current and volts coming out of the synth after its DAC - aka analog.

If it were analog, I doubt it would be called "virtual analog." Brandon Spivey used to use Cubase to sequence his analog machines, so I don't think one has to go 100% analog or digital. You can also connect the x0xb0x nowadays via usb to your DAW, if you wanted to make some Acid. And I'm pretty sure this analog synth sounds more genuinely "acidic" than any vst or digital synth you can find.

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