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Originally posted by Lilith Come on man hold up a sec, look at who you're talking to. It's like asking Stu for shampoo and conditioner advice.

Hey come on, you could say the same for Nou, right?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN The constitution is just another set of laws though. you could say that it was nothing more than a �gentlemen�s agreement� because it wasn�t based on anything, either. just because our constitution (and yours) sets out a bunch of stipulations regarding federal and state authorities, doesn't really mean that common law is rooted in the constitution (imo). statute is statute, regardless of the historical basis for/of law.

Yes, but statutes in the UK system and many other former British colonies do not build theirs off a central themed document that can be fallen back on as the ultimate law of the land.

Yes, all laws are gentleman's agreements, but you can make a rational argument that one system can be designed to be more robust and trustworthy and integral than another. The US has a very clear system for determining precedent which is helpful in crafting new legislation. Despite a lot of problems the US legal system actually runs very smoothly because of this.

How did you know her dress size?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yes, but statutes in the UK system and many other former British colonies do not build theirs off a central themed document that can be fallen back on as the ultimate law of the land.

I regard that as a good thing as it doesn't eternally bind us to ridiculous ideological concepts from 250 years ago, like the notion that society is safer when everyone is allowed to brandish lethal weaponry. This "central themed document" is little different to the Bible in that it's an ancient tome written when society was very different that lays down a certain set of guidelines which need to be subjectively interpreted and applied to modern situations. And then it's routinely violated by your own government anyway.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I regard that as a good thing as it doesn't eternally bind us to ridiculous ideological concepts from 250 years ago

yep, this has always been my opinion too. the worship felt by our decadent cousins for their constitution gets up my nose. there were constitutional challenges to random breath tests for motorists ffs (unreasonable search and seizure). and look at the citizens united ruling lol. i'll take imperfect laws in a state of flux than heavy-handed decisions binding everyone for the rest of time, thanks.

australia's constitution is pretty bare-bones, and pretty much just structures the government(s). very dry, boring stuff. gets the job done, but i don't jerk off over it.

Excuse me, but The Constitution was written by God himself before being passed down to our Illustrious Forefathers. I won't sit here and read this blasphemy

Robin Williams certainly displayed the right to bear arms.

Defending the right to use children in a sexual manner, whether in print or otherwise, is quite creepy.

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Originally posted by Srussell Defending the right to use children in a sexual manner, whether in print or otherwise, is quite creepy.

Only if you make an assumption that I also find it morally right as well, which I don't.

You can defend horrible things in a broader context and still not personally find them right.

Then again Russell you strike me as one of those people that cant grasp subtlety like that and probably think defense attorneys are all pro murder and pro rape.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yep, this has always been my opinion too. the worship felt by our decadent cousins for their constitution gets up my nose. there were constitutional challenges to random breath tests for motorists ffs (unreasonable search and seizure). and look at the citizens united ruling lol. i'll take imperfect laws in a state of flux than heavy-handed decisions binding everyone for the rest of time, thanks. australia's constitution is pretty bare-bones, and pretty much just structures the government(s). very dry, boring stuff. gets the job done, but i don't jerk off over it.

That's fine though, your power ultimately rests in the "divine" authority of the Queen/King still. We chose a document, which seems far more suitable for a modern society since it gets rid of all the pointless pageantry of monarchism.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I regard that as a good thing as it doesn't eternally bind us to ridiculous ideological concepts from 250 years ago, like the notion that society is safer when everyone is allowed to brandish lethal weaponry. This "central themed document" is little different to the Bible in that it's an ancient tome written when society was very different that lays down a certain set of guidelines which need to be subjectively interpreted and applied to modern situations. And then it's routinely violated by your own government anyway.

Yea you talk about Americans and the Bible but let's not forget how interconnected the British system is with divinity, the church, and monarchism. Those are all pretty insane concepts and actually enshrined in your government, where as the US explicitly denies the government from doing those things.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Only if you make an assumption that I also find it morally right as well, which I don't. You can defend horrible things in a broader context and still not personally find them right. Then again Russell you strike me as one of those people that cant grasp subtlety like that and probably think defense attorneys are all pro murder and pro rape.

You strike me as one of those people who can't grasp the subtlety of the difference between a girl saying "yes" or "no"

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Originally posted by Srussell You strike me as one of those people who can't grasp the subtlety of the difference between a girl saying "yes" or "no"

I am from Seattle, everything is a no, especially a yes. That goes for everything beyond sex too.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yea you talk about Americans and the Bible but let's not forget how interconnected the British system is with divinity, the church, and monarchism. Those are all pretty insane concepts and actually enshrined in your government, where as the US explicitly denies the government from doing those things.

I'm not talking about Americans and the Bible, actually. My point is that you're talking about the Constitution as if it's some clear and universally applicable legal guideline, but I'm saying it's just like the Bible in that it's actually open to interpretation when it comes to applying it to things that your founding fathers never even dreamed of when they wrote it centuries ago.

And it's funny you talk about things being "enshrined" in our government when your whole point is that UK law isn't actually enshrined in anything and is apparently just "a series of gentleman's agreements".

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And it's funny you talk about things being "enshrined" in our government when your whole point is that UK law isn't actually enshrined in anything and is apparently just "a series of gentleman's agreements".

Something can be enshrined in something shifting and baseless (like power descending from the crown), doesn't mean it isn't a considered sacred part of the tradition or system.


And yes, the constitution is open to interpretation, but the interpretation is limited by the fact that it is a document, where as British legal precedent descends from nobility and ultimately the "power of god" through the crown and Church of England, which to my knowledge has no one binding document more important than the bible, which is not saying much.

Nou, when you clean your fleshlight do you get depressed about it or do you clean it in delight, eager to rub another one off?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Nou, when you clean your fleshlight do you get depressed about it or do you clean it in delight, eager to rub another one off?

Those things are more trouble than they are worth.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby That's fine though, your power ultimately rests in the "divine" authority of the Queen/King still. We chose a document, which seems far more suitable for a modern society since it gets rid of all the pointless pageantry of monarchism.

fuck you talk some shit.

Hey, if we could have a queen come break up our deadlock in congress I'd be pretty fucking happy right now!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fuck you talk some shit.

I can't really say it more neatly than this.

Hmm glad I live in the US where I won't go to jail for internet bullying against the little crown royal subjects.

the most amazing part of the jian story is the fact that he sat down in a board room, with a bunch of high ranking CBC execs and showed them a sex tape. WTF.

everyone is in suits watching a homemade sex tape. these guys sign and decide if you get a pay check or not, how the FUCK can you sit in the same room with them showing that..

"uhh why is she crying jian?"
"ITS OK ITS BDSM GUYS"
*screams in background*
"yeah I think we've seen enough"

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Hey, if we could have a queen come break up our deadlock in congress I'd be pretty fucking happy right now!

Actually, I don't think she can do that

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Hmm glad I live in the US where I won't go to jail for internet bullying against the little crown royal subjects.

Are you sure you're not thinking about Thailand?

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Originally posted by Lira Actually, I don't think she can do that Are you sure you're not thinking about Thailand?

She can dissolve Parliament, not only in the UK but in any Commonwealth country, and did it in Australia under the recommendation of the governor general, who is her representative in those countries.

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