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I don't think anyone goes to see Troxler play because of his productions, since, well, he really hasn't had any in quite a long time. And I'm guessing that his "crowd" isn't necessarily the most clued up, musically speaking.

I honestly think Troxler is a very likeable guy, and I am absolutely convinced it's one of the reasons he gets booked. Trust me, I know people who have made big records. You really just gotta get your foot in the door. Everything that follows depends on what you do once you have that initial foot in the door, how much you can milk it so to speak. And Seth has been an absolute expert on that front.

Troxler is a c0ck...end of story....

I never seen someone bitch like a 8 year old more then when he did at EDC in NYC back in 2012" wahhhhhh my posse can't come back stage wit me even though I'm not playing today...wahhh this isn't booze I like"




then last year, he makes a joke a bout Sept 11th. real fuckin funny

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Stop me if this is just too difficult to follow...

Ugh, you're such a predictable cunt.

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...but maybe - just maybe - Seth Troxler has a few too many "off-nights" due to his extra-curricular activities to warrant being considered anywhere near the 4th best DJ in the world.

That's fine, that's your opinion and that wasn't my point. Maybe you're the one having difficulty following. My point was that he's fucking great when he's on, one of the best I've ever seen do it. That is all.

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Originally posted by MR STROKE Troxler is a pretty poor DJ technically. Every set I have seen or listened to of his has sloppy mixing. Listen to any of his live mixes on Soundcloud and it sounds like shoes in the dryer.

Mixing snob #847163287462309872234

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Originally posted by Guest which is absolute proof that production ability trumps mixing skills in DJ world. If you make great tracks, which Troxler surely does, people will come to see you. End of story. See also, the relatively short shelf life of Eddie Halliwell who could mix circles around Troxler in the booth, but did not produce.

Really got your finger on the pulse there, Mark.

As Jack likes to put it, did you guys ever think that maybe he's that far up the list and people come see him because he plays good fucking tracks and knows how to rock it? I'm a music nerd too, but you guys are taking it to a whole other level.

wahhhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry, just an observation. Instead of thrashing dj's why don't we talk constructively about the whole thing?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Sorry, just an observation. Instead of thrashing dj's why don't we talk constructively about the whole thing?

All you ever do when you talk about DJs is say they "rock it" and "drop bombs". When people actually point out that Troxler is weak technically even when he's sober your retort is "mixing snob" and you accuse everyone of being a "nerd" for criticising a DJ. And you're the one calling for constructive debate?

How about you actually explain some of the things that make Troxler a great DJ despite his shoddy technical skills and his tendency to take too many drugs and shit the bed? And try not to sound like an 18 year old discussing their favourite EDM superstar, for a change.

LOL we're all nerds, I'm not accusing anyone. People like you just have too much esteem for your "criticisms" to ever talk constructively about this shit. I meet too many kids in my outings like you still ranting about washed up old timers like Sasha and Diggers, paying way too much attention to transitions, having no fun at all. It's kind of pathetic.

I don't have to explain shit, but for the sake of argument I think he has impeccable taste in music and has vision. He's not always on, not even most of the time these days, but if he is he kills it. What the fuck else is there to explain? I heard him tell great stories, you condescending prick, that's what makes him a great dj to me.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I meet too many kids in my outings like you still ranting about washed up old timers like Sasha and Diggers, paying way too much attention to transitions, having no fun at all.

Swing and a miss. And you can call me a "kid" all you want, you'll always be the little piss-streak.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What the fuck else is there to explain?

You might talk about the records he plays, what makes his selection different, how he constructs a set, heaven forbid you might actually talk about a time you saw him play and highlight some things he did you thought were special.

I don't think I enjoyed a single Tale of Us set this year. Other than a couple decent Maceo Plex remixes this year, the Innervisions/Ellum/L&D sound has become stale and piss-boring IMO.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Swing and a miss. And you can call me a "kid" all you want, you'll always be the little piss-streak.

Lol Shut the fuck up, we're like the same age. And you have SO much "cred".

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You might talk about the records he plays, what makes his selection different, how he constructs a set, heaven forbid you might actually talk about a time you saw him play and highlight some things he did you thought were special.

If you're that interested go fucking see him (again), I don't know what else to tell you. I don't understand why I have to sit here and jab at my keyboard trying to yammer and express in language my opinions about some dj to you honestly. I'm not trying to get forum credibility for my perspectives through extensive rants and factual evidence. lol

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Lol Shut the fuck up, we're like the same age. And you have SO much "cred".

Even if I wasn't 3 years older than you you'd still be a little streak of piss. Just listen to you. "Cred"? Fuck me.

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I don't understand why I have to sit here and jab at my keyboard trying to yammer and express in language my opinions about some dj to you honestly.

Because you called for "constructive" discussion, and this is a discussion forum. And yet all you've done is accuse anyone who doesn't agree with your piss-streak opinion of not having heard Troxler enough, and then when people point out there are dozens of sets available online showcasing Troxler DJing poorly you just call them names. See? Total piss-streak behaviour. So how about you dry your eyes, wipe your nose, unclench your little fists and actually raise an argument in defence of Seth Troxler that doesn't make you sound like a little bitch? It's really not much to ask.

Or alternatively, you could accept that people have every right to rag on a DJ who you admit can't even get it together most of the time and fuck back off whence you came.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Or alternatively, you could accept that people have every right to rag on a DJ who you admit can't even get it together most of the time and fuck back off whence you came.

Indeed they absolutely do have the right. In your projective diatribe you forgot to process the thought that I never said otherwise.

Constructive discussion to me is talking about things like the general perception of things like this poll and where we go from here as a culture. Where does the music go. Not defending my opinions of some dj to some people who obviously have their own opinions.

Yes you did, you prat. You said anyone hating on him either hasn't heard more than one set or that they're just going on his personality. In other words, denying anyone the right to legitimately think he's a poor DJ. You can try and retcon that all you want, your words are there for all to see.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You said anyone hating on him either hasn't heard more than one set or that they're just going on his personality. In other words, denying anyone the right to legitimately think he's a poor DJ. You can try and retcon that all you want, your words are there for all to see.

Which is vaguely my opinion, and probably true, that if you've seen him on a good night he's undeniably great, yes anyone with ears would say so. So again you're wrong and jumping to conclusions. If you've seen him a handful of times and still think he's shit you have the right, but I also have the right to tell you you're deaf. That's all this comes down to. I don't have to defend myself any further than that. Take it or leave it.

But since you're so keen on arguing today and talking about Troxler, let's talk about this:

https://soundcloud.com/outputclub/o...01-seth-troxler

Poor DJing? Get a hold of yourself.

I don't deny he can be great, but that doesn't mean he is great.

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Originally posted by OrangestO I don't deny he can be great, but that doesn't mean he is great.

Very true, I like that. But it also doesn't mean he is not.

In an objective poll - one in which people don't vote based on the events they have on their calendars - he wouldn't be ranked that high.

Why not, his touring schedule is gruesome.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I meet too many kids in my outings like you still ranting about washed up old timers like Sasha and Diggers, paying way too much attention to transitions, having no fun at all. It's kind of pathetic.

I would really like to meet some of these "kids". Sounds like they have good taste.

The most basic think a DJ is supposed to do is have a good transition. That is like step 1. If he is fn up transitions, might as well have karaoke dj night and let random people in the crowd pick the next song.

The other thing is to not confuse how much fun the party was with who the DJ was. Some of the best parties I ever went to involved Ferry Corsten DJing cheesy early 2000s epic trance which I dont even like. But it was tons of fun as the crowd ate it up. That doesnt make Ferry a great DJ and it doesnt mean I cant have fun at that party while still saying Sasha was and is way better.


I am not arguing that Troxler on a good night with a good crowd cant throw a fun set that has the crowd rolling. But that doesnt make him a great DJ. I can have tons of fun watching a michael bay's transformers but that doestnt make him Orson Wellles and his movie as good as citizen kane.

The main argument from posters on this thread has been that Troxler is overrated in this poll and there are superior DJs way below him. Troxler has mastered the look. A lot of his popularity lays in the fact that he is a young guy and looks and acts like the kids at his shows and plays records that his audience knows and loves.

So do a lot of other DJs. When it comes down to the best of the best, we get our microscopes out.

And that's why he's not great.

He loses points for his professionalism before we even start nitpicking about anything technical and beyond.

That's fine, I humbly disagree.

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul

You must really think an idiot of me if you assume I confuse any of those things when discerning whether a person is good at playing music or not, at the same time they are all interrelated. I think you're completely wrong though.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Troxler is like the Jack Black of the RA scene, and I think the hul-lariously ironic novelty act is really beginning to wear off; he's gone from unconventional to just downright unprofessional, and I doubt his health will permit him to keep this up much longer.

lol he looks like a pear. Anyone watch his RBMA interview last year? Really awesome talk, but he was hiccuping for 2 hours.. hes legit gonna have a heart attack soon.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Which is vaguely my opinion, and probably true, that if you've seen him on a good night he's undeniably great, yes anyone with ears would say so. So again you're wrong and jumping to conclusions

No I'm not. In your bratty little tantrum you missed the fact I've never taken issue with your assertion that Troxler can get it together and play a blinder. I've been taking issue with your claim that all criticisms of Troxler in this thread come down to sheer ignorance. I pointed out a perfectly good reason why people might be hating on him in the context of this Top 100 poll, and you agreed it was valid. Therefore, you shouldn't have come into this thread and written off all Troxler criticism as ignorance. That is the behaviour of a piss-streak.

If a DJ can't even cue a record up properly half the time he plays because he's too fucked up, people have a right to shit on him when it comes to a poll ranking him as one of the best DJs in the world. Being great is about consistency. You're Brazilian. Troxler is like Hulk. On his day Hulk can be spectacular and look like a world-beater, but a lot of the time he's ineffectual and mediocre. He's not one of the best players in the world. If Hulk came out #4 on a poll of best players, you bet your ass people would be hating on him, and with good reason.

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Originally posted by corjay9 lol he looks like a pear. Anyone watch his RBMA interview last year? Really awesome talk, but he was hiccuping for 2 hours.. hes legit gonna have a heart attack soon.

Shit like this was funny...in 2010. The hipsterdom breaks down to reveal very little that's actually worth listening to.



To his credit (in his defense?) the guy really does aspire to a bit more than this. During Hawtin's ENTER tour, on the few gigs he played, he would actually go raid the local record store and pick out new, offbeat vinyl before he went on (or so I was told), though I can't say if that's just more of the same ironic fluff. He just reminds me of that friend who is incapable of being serious for fear of being exposed as ultimately quite dull.

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