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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Sounds like 1993.

perfect

pretty much the downfall of the entire trance genre is down to advances in technology - the insatiable need to use it, and for the others to conform. everything needs to sound "tight" and "clean". it sucks the soul right out of the music.

it's like a women who over-preens herself. just stop already. you looked good, now you look like a circus freak.

of course, my tracks sound like this on purpose

Okay then.

I will do 1 hours Melbourne shuffle dance practice this year and then post a video of my efforts for feedback..., such a huge sacrifice on my part has to be worthy of peoples attention

I knew it he would take it as a compliment

why wouldn't it be?

to say something sounds like 2016 trance is the absolute worst possible thing you could say about a track.

it has never sounded shitter than it does right now - and that trend seems to be going in only one way. it isn't even the music per se, it's the so called production values.

i'd like to hear some modern trance unmolested, before it was sent through all these compression and mastering techniques. even the simple process of changing out the kick - a two second job - to something more natural could improve some tracks no end.

i believe modern trance tracks would actually sound a lot better 'unfinished'. producers today need to take a step backwards and realise why their music sounds so crap... why there has been NO classics in the past ten years - and why the ten years prior were jam packed with them. even melody master ferry corsten has failed to produce anything that inspires. his last track of worth was pulse - festival, whenever that was!

All I see is a bunch of loops and no tracks. You want us to critique your loops? One of them sounds OK, but I don't see the purpose of creating a thread dedicated to loops. That's what the WIP thread is for.

I also create music "just for fun," but I don't post every loop and pattern I'd just created. It seems like you're just seeking attention at this point, rather than honest feedback.

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Originally posted by rubez to say something sounds like 2016 trance is the absolute worst possible thing you could say about a track. it has never sounded shitter than it does right now - and that trend seems to be going in only one way. it isn't even the music per se, it's the so called production values. i'd like to hear some modern trance unmolested, before it was sent through all these compression and mastering techniques. even the simple process of changing out the kick - a two second job - to something more natural could improve some tracks no end. i believe modern trance tracks would actually sound a lot better 'unfinished'. producers today need to take a step backwards and realise why their music sounds so crap... why there has been NO classics in the past ten years - and why the ten years prior were jam packed with them. even melody master ferry corsten has failed to produce anything that inspires. his last track of worth was pulse - festival, whenever that was!

Except what you're doing sounds more like techno, and there's plenty of good techno being put out nowadays.

It's not "attention". It's the overexcitement of a virgin girl who got its first dick. "yeaaaah, look, i produced something".

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Originally posted by rubez when i get to the stage of releasing, every track going out will be perfect

Crica 2007

Re: critique this amateur track

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Originally posted by rubez i am looking for more experienced producers to critique this - on what is there, what is not, and where to go next.

Where to go next? Finish a damned track. It's not hard. As soon as I bought some hardware, I wouldn't stop working on a loop/pattern(s) until I finished a track with it. It's simple. But you have to put in the time and effort.

Note: no track will ever be perfect. There's no such thing. If it's perfect, it'll probably sound bland and tasteless. Is art perfect? If so, it is only because of its imperfections. So just try the best you can, and if you are somewhat satisfied with it, finish it. Then move on to the next one. The more you do this, the easier it'll become. Less thinking, more doing.

Many producers can finish tracks within a couple of hours or less (it's usually a "live" one-shot, as they call it). Many classics were produced like this. When you have some programmed patterns, try mixing them around, with various synth patterns, and see if anything sticks. It often will.

What is there: some basic loops, maybe a motif or two at best.

What is not there: a concrete musical idea, a vision, anything musically interesting.

Where to go next: the drawing board.

As just about everybody else here has already mentioned, there's nothing here to critique. It's the equivalent of asking people to critique your painting of a landscape immediately after you painted your first brush stroke.

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Originally posted by rubez my freshly shaven nutsack has more hair than your head i've spent an accumulative, estimated 24 hours playing with various drum machines and hardware synths in the last year. and probably no more than the same again in the last 10 years with a DAW. JDXI was the first time playing a keyboard. i don't take it seriously... i do it for fun (don't know about you) the real sad thing is if you are taking this seriously, thinking there is some sort of future in this beyond having fun. there isn't... where has the last decade of toying with DAWs and VSTs gotten you? exactly. where are my critiques anyhow? JDXI is a great little groovebox/synth keyboard.

Have you actually heard any of MSZ's tracks?

I'd probably say he's on of the most talented producers on TA. He'd probably be fistumping right at a rate of $100k a night right now if he'd of jumped on the EDM badnwagon.

It's a little strange to coat someone who is lightyears ahead you, when you're the one asking for for a critique on a bunch of loops.
My rectum makes more interesting sounds than are on your soundcloud and I would argue that it's also better at engineering.

Per you own words, you spent 10 hours making 64 tracks. That's just about 9 minutes per track. How about spending 10 hours on one track and then ask us in the WIP thread if it's any good?

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Originally posted by rubez why wouldn't it be? to say something sounds like 2016 trance is the absolute worst possible thing you could say about a track. it has never sounded shitter than it does right now - and that trend seems to be going in only one way. it isn't even the music per se, it's the so called production values. i'd like to hear some modern trance unmolested, before it was sent through all these compression and mastering techniques. even the simple process of changing out the kick - a two second job - to something more natural could improve some tracks no end. i believe modern trance tracks would actually sound a lot better 'unfinished'. producers today need to take a step backwards and realise why their music sounds so crap... why there has been NO classics in the past ten years - and why the ten years prior were jam packed with them. even melody master ferry corsten has failed to produce anything that inspires. his last track of worth was pulse - festival, whenever that was!

That... that is not how mastering works.

There is no point of reasoning with him, if you take a look at his other posts, he gets off at making insults and never shows any remorse. Reminds me of my dark days.

like the terminator, i can't be reasoned with

jdxi only does 4 bar loops. yes they are loops.

the meat of any (trance) track can be boiled down to a 4 bar loop... "vision" give me a break, you're creating amateur trance, there is no vision. if it were pro trance, the same would still apply.

fleshing these out to full blown tracks (i shouldn't have used that word in the thread name, peeps be getting hung up on it) seems a bit anal. i don't know. everyone here seems to take themselves too seriously... maybe that's why you have the patience to make full length tracks.

also, what one sounds alright? JDXI 3, one slut says

like the terminator, i can't be reasoned with

jdxi only does 4 bar loops. yes they are loops.

the meat of any (trance) track can be boiled down to a 4 bar loop... "vision" give me a break, you're creating amateur trance, there is no vision. if it were pro trance, the same would still apply.

fleshing these out to full blown tracks (i shouldn't have used that word in the thread name, peeps be getting hung up on it) seems a bit anal. i don't know. everyone here seems to take themselves too seriously... maybe that's why you have the patience to make full length tracks.

also, what one sounds alright? JDXI 3, one slut says

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Per you own words, you spent 10 hours making 64 tracks. That's just about 9 minutes per track. How about spending 10 hours on one track and then ask us in the WIP thread if it's any good?

you kind of answered your own question. 64 different loops (which can be played out indefinitely) with different styles, different synths, different basslines. or one big track. guess we have different ideas of fun, which is ok. that's what makes the world go round.

Juan Paulino, is that you? Why do you hack people's profiles you little psycho?

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Originally posted by rubez fleshing these out to full blown tracks (i shouldn't have used that word in the thread name, peeps be getting hung up on it) seems a bit anal. i don't know. everyone here seems to take themselves too seriously... maybe that's why you have the patience to make full length tracks. also, what one sounds alright? JDXI 3, one slut says

So everyone who puts in the time and effort into making full tracks takes themselves too seriously? Does that mean everyone (including "pro" producers) who's ever finished a track takes themselves too seriously and isn't having any fun? What exactly are you trying to say here?

If you're just fucking around and making loops, why even ask for feedback, then? Since you're not actually planning to finish a single track, ever, why bother wasting our time?

Are you mentally ill, by any chance? I don't mean to be offensive, just curious.

Okay...

You have no talent. You have no artistic vision. You don't even seem to have the slightest idea on what you're doing. You're just doodling like a three year old on an etch-a-sketch.

You claiming to "only do it for the fun" and "not giving a fuck" is simply the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever read anywhere ever. If that was really true, you would not be asking for critique in the first place, let alone getting your panties in a bunch when people tell you how pointless your four bar loops are.

I wish I could call you a troll, but the sad fact is that would be an insult towards trolls. You are a sad, pathetic individual who has no idea about the fact that nobody likes you or wants you anywhere.

Even Juan managed to make a complete track at least once, for fuck's sake.

someones toys came flying out their pram, didn't they?

"okay..."

getting ready to unload like a little bitch

Awesome thread.

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Originally posted by rubez jdxi only does 4 bar loops. yes they are loops.

So did every electribe ever made, but somehow some clever people figured out that if you make the next 4 bars a little a different, then the next one after a little different again....you have what is called a track.

It's a shame that you didn't figure that out after 10 years of practice.

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Originally posted by rubez the meat of any (trance) track can be boiled down to a 4 bar loop...

Says who? Any of the trance worth listening to is where the whole track shines, not just a 4 bar loop after the 2nd breakdown.

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Originally posted by rubez "vision" give me a break, you're creating amateur trance, there is no vision. if it were pro trance, the same would still apply.

Pro trance you say? please do explain. I cannot wait to hear what "pro" trance is.

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Originally posted by rubez fleshing these out to full blown tracks (i shouldn't have used that word in the thread name, peeps be getting hung up on it) seems a bit anal. i don't know. everyone here seems to take themselves too seriously... maybe that's why you have the patience to make full length tracks.

Your asking for you music to be critiqued and you're posting up sixty four 10 second loops, then wondering why you're getting ridiculed?

And to Mystery's point - to finish a track you have to take yourself "too seriously"? That's the qualification to finish a full track? Bizarre. Everyone that's ever finished a full track must have serious issues. I mean, if they were normal they'd have just put out a 4 bar loop and be done with it.

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Originally posted by rubez you kind of answered your own question. 64 different loops (which can be played out indefinitely) with different styles, different synths, different basslines. or one big track. guess we have different ideas of fun, which is ok. that's what makes the world go round.

You're talking bollocks becuase: A) none of these are a full tracks, B) None of them are worth turning in to a full track in teir current state C) If you had turned any one of them in to not even a full track but just something with say 2 mins of structure, that might be something, but you haven;t, so it's not and D) You can't just slap a few of these together and you magically have a track worth listening to so the parts don't equal any kind of sum.

If you want advice, make something someone can critique (Hint: make sure it's longer and more interesting than four bars).

Since you don't seem to respond to the constructive criticism here, what's the purpose of this thread?

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Originally posted by rubez someones toys came flying out their pram, didn't they? "okay..." getting ready to unload like a little bitch

Yeah, just about what I expected.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Pro trance you say? please do explain. I cannot wait to hear what "pro" trance is.

Yeah, I'm waiting to hear this one, too.

Fancier unicorns?

Armin inadvertently Jesus-poses when he hears it?

More and/or bigger cocks at the "professional trance" cockfests?

Deadmau5 knows your name?

Saws that aren't just super, they're fucking fabulous!?


Am I in the ballpark, rubbiez? Oh, and is it OK if I call you rubbiez? It makes you seem more huggable. PLUR, dude.

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Originally posted by cryophonik PLUR, dude.

LOL !! I just spit my food out reading that!

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