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And you call it fortune-cookie philosophy, I call it the way to live a life in a positive way - spiritually, emotionally, yada, yada, yada. I only speak of my own experience, of course. But eastern philosophy is helping just as much as books like Mate's in overcoming my own insecurities, addictions, etc. Unfortunately, most people treat that philosophy like it came from a fortune cookie and just throw it away without serious consideration or implementation into their own lives.

Sort of on topic, there is a high rate of suicide associated with some orthognathic surgeries (which are not usually done for cosmetic purposes), because the patients aren't able to cope with the extreme/drastic/sudden change in their appearance - even if the new appearance may be perceived as "better."


It's that kind of reasoning which is why I'm personally so off put by the thought of cosmetic surgery and/or changing/enhancing/whatever my appearance. I think I would have a hard time accepting myself/feeling like my authentic self. I just don't know if I would ever get over the whole "fake" aspect of it.

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Originally posted by OrangestO And you call it fortune-cookie philosophy, I call it the way to live a life in a positive way - spiritually, emotionally, yada, yada, yada. I only speak of my own experience, of course. But eastern philosophy is helping just as much as books like Mate's in overcoming my own insecurities, addictions, etc. Unfortunately, most people treat that philosophy like it came from a fortune cookie and just throw it away without serious consideration or implementation into their own lives.

Okay. Well, I'll try to say this in the least confrontational way possible. If such mantras have helped you improve your own mentality then I won't begrudge you that. But I find there's a certain impression of arrogance (perhaps unintentional) in people preaching such wafer thin sentiments as though they have diagnosed the cause of other people's spiritual ailments. And I can't help but notice that it's always the people with the most problems who have the most to say about what others should "implement into their lives".

My point is that the gap between plastic surgery and other forms of appearance improvement is mainly down to practical considerations of cost, results and safety, rather than some grand conceptual distinction. When it becomes as easy to have cosmetic surgery as it is to have a haircut, everyone will start doing it.

Everyone practically already IS doing it. Shit's becoming like Brave New World, and everyone who DOESN'T cosmetically enhance themselves will be considered savages.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Okay. Well, I'll try to say this in the least confrontational way possible. If such mantras have helped you improve your own mentality then I won't begrudge you that. But I find there's a certain impression of arrogance (perhaps unintentional) in people preaching such wafer thin sentiments as though they have diagnosed the cause of other people's spiritual ailments. And I can't help but notice that it's always the people with the most problems who have the most to say about what others should "implement into their lives".

Maybe because those people have usually experienced the darkest and deepest corners of reality as we know it today - at least the westernized version. Usually from birth all the way through their adult lives until they 'snap' out of it, as some would love to put it. And most never do.

When you live on one side of the spectrum all your life and manage to somehow break through that nearly impenetrable wall to the other side, it feels pretty fucking glorious. You want to share that. And yea, I get that it can come off as preachy to those individuals who never had to deal with that sort of reality. But there are commons threads in all of our lives.

Can't we learn from those who have been to the dark side? From those who overcame the harshest of circumstances to become better humans?

I will never 'preach' to others. Preaching never reaches those who need to be reached the most, anyways. I will only share my own story and how I'm managing to overcome the obstacles that I've had to face myself. Considering how fucked my story has been at times, and how much I've lived on that extreme side of the spectrum for most of it relative to where I was born and raised, it's important to communicate what has helped me and how.

Some people are ready and happy to hear it; most consider chalk it off as preaching and want to just say fuck off.

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