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OK whoever posted this is dumb, and I just want to prove this to you, and how you have been brain washed if indeed you think this is true.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike 1) Rejection of the Kyoto agreement. Producing huge amounts of pollution, instance on manufacturing and driving cars that use double of the petrol of any other car of the same side made outside of the US.

The USA is only one of many nations which rejected the treaty. The fact is the treaty would have went into action with agreement of other nations (some 60% or so, can't recall specifis). Yet many saw it the same way the US did, as a very unfair unbalanced treaty.

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2) State executions, including executions for crimes committed as a minor, and for the fact that the system is grossly racist.

First crime is apparently very racisit, as most of those who commit it seem to be from one 'race', therefore the system reflects this. Furthermore other nationas have executions and are not critizied heavely for it. Furthermore this is an internal policy of the USA, you don't for instance see the USA critizing many nations for not having a death peanlty.

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3) Coming late into the second world war, when it had already been all but won and needlessly killing thousands if not millions of innocent German civilians.

Why do you not critize nations who did not come into the war at all? Such as the spanish, the dutch, the swiss, the russians, and then other sides actually allying themselves with the Germany such as Italy, Iraq, and other arab nations??

And if you truly think that WWII was all but won before the USA came into the picture then you are of the mind who has been washed.

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4) Starting the Vietnam war because of their insane and misguided fear of communism, attacking civilians with napalm, etc.

You can not say it was misguided or insane. It followed the established doctorine of deterance.
Aside from that they had won a phyric victory (or loss) in Vietnam, and won the war against communism. We can not fortell how the world would be like today if it were the reverse. Personally, I don't think it is a world I would wish to live in.

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5) Greedy Mr Bush wanting to capture Iraqi oil interests for his stupid family, his hidden financial wrongdoings, his hidden cocaine and alcohol additions.

Right, lets slip into conspiracy theories shall we? If so they're are a ton I can throw back at you, from the Russians, Chinese, Western Europeans, Arabs, etc.. how come these conspiracies aren't critized as stronly as those of alleged american officials? Again, very selective.

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6) Starting practically every war over the last 100 years, fighting to capture the oil, or against communism, basically attacking whatever is not beneficial for the country at the time.

Now if you truly believe in this point, then I think your mind has been bleached. First of all, most the wars that happened in the past 100 years you probably can't name. The majority of them are in regions where we could care less, namely we care less because the USA is not their. The wars we know are the wars the USA has chosen sides in, but this is the vast minority of wars and conflicts, espeically in the scope of a 100 years. This is such a BS point, I don't feel any need to go beyond the above counter.

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7) The hugely biased & inward looking media. The lies they tell their people, and what their people believe, even though through the internet they can find out pretty much anything they like - just not believe it. Americans deny truthful things just because they haven�t seen it on �Fox News�.

Oh sorry, this is coming from a man who believes the USA started all wars in the past 100 years. Apparently they have not heard of all the wars in asia, africa, latin america.. for crying out loud, who is inward looking now?

And damn, if Americans tend not to believe in conspriacy theories because they believe their politicans are usually dumb and not capable of such grand schemes as opposed to the rest of the world believing what any undocument unbacked source will tell you then fine, so be it.

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8) American sanctions on Iraq

What american sanctions on Iraq? I didn't know america had sanctions on Iraq... I thought it was only the UN, hmmm funny.

And lastly, what the hell does this have to do with airport security?

I don't know.. but I'll add one sentance in here that does:
The US airport security and INS do not RACIALLY discriminate, the NATIONALLY discriminate, and this is fine and moral. Discrimination does not mean EXCLUSIVE just with a TILT or BIAS.
Ok two sentances then.

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Originally posted by jdat In Isreal all Arabs get profiled And many other places which I can't think of right now

jdat you bring up good points. Indeed many here are critizing only the USA for such policies when it is MUCH worse in many other nations.

For instance, being an Israeli if I would be killed (as a spy no less) if I tried to get into many arab countries, detained indefinetly in others. But this is ok, nations can chose their enemies.

The problem is me being jewish, I am barred from entry into many arab gulf states. Does not depend on my nationallity, only me religion. Now if that an't racial profiling I don't know what is. No questions, no detention, no get on on the next plane. Simply you can't get in, your a jew. But you don't hear me complaining. (and this post isn't a complaint, its just a counter argument)

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Originally posted by Izzy yes it is a solution. a solution being an idea or concept that solves a problem. by burning the house down you get solve the problem of a few cockaroaches. its definitly not the best solution or even a morally right solution but it is a solution.

dude you defiently like playing with words, you know exactly what I meant but you prefer undermining my opinion with your idiotic childish remarks. the worst you keep doing it everytime you can't answer back to someone having a good point in these forums... you keep attackin the form, while what people care here is the content. people then loose intrest in the discussion and leave, then you have your last word believing you are the victor or whatever you want to call it.

I'm gonna rephrase my sentence to please some of the syntaxical freaks over here.

burning down a house because of a few cockaroaches is not a valid solution.

in other words, persecuting and harrassing millions of individuals because a handful of men did wrong is unacceptable. and that is in any situation, period of time and country.

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Originally posted by Yoepus For instance, being an Israeli if I would be killed (as a spy no less) if I tried to get into many arab countries, detained indefinetly in others. But this is ok, nations can chose their enemies. The problem is me being jewish, I am barred from entry into many arab gulf states. Does not depend on my nationallity, only me religion. Now if that an't racial profiling I don't know what is. No questions, no detention, no get on on the next plane. Simply you can't get in, your a jew. But you don't hear me complaining. (and this post isn't a complaint, its just a counter argument)

you can't get in some arabic countries cause technically israel and some arabic countries are still at war, the first in mind is Syria.

also, even a Christian can't enter Saudi Arabia... only muslims because it is a holy land. I know that if you have a work permit there you can stay in Saudi Arabia but only in some areas of the country.

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Originally posted by Yoepus What american sanctions on Iraq? I didn't know america had sanctions on Iraq... I thought it was only the UN, hmmm funny.

because the US pushed forward with sanctions, some countries like france, china and russia wants them removed, but the US and its dog the UK vetoed everything.

the US and UK are the only countries that enforce it on a daily basis by bombarding Irak and not letting boats get thru, also they will sanction any country doing buisness with Irak.

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And lastly, what the hell does this have to do with airport security?I don't know.. but I'll add one sentance in here that does: The US airport security and INS do not RACIALLY discriminate, the NATIONALLY discriminate, and this is fine and moral. Discrimination does not mean EXCLUSIVE just with a TILT or BIAS. Ok two sentances then.

yes they do discriminate on a racial basis, if you look like an arab, pakistani, or anything not white, then they'll systematically harass you. thats the whole point of the furry of many people all over the world... ever heard the term "_racial_ profiling" ?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek dude you defiently like playing with words, you know exactly what I meant but you prefer undermining my opinion with your idiotic childish remarks.

dude chill out... wasnt meaning anything agianst you.
if i wanted to undermine your opinion i would quote that specific opinion and give an arguement agianst it. i chose that specific one call it childish i dont care... maybe you and I know what you meant, but those reading didnt, just maybe

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the worst you keep doing it everytime you can't answer back to someone having a good point in these forums...

im not embarassed to say when someone has a good point. specifically take this thread, my first post said that i belived that the US airport security has gone beyond the bonders of common sense. moving on i then go and argue for or agianst other side issues that arise. ie your cockroach house scenerio

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you keep attackin the form

i am not attackin the form, i am only exersicing my freedom of speech.

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while what people care here is the content.

ill be the first to say i care about content more then anything else. in fact most the topics i am particularly strong at i use direct refernces (from quotes, books, statistics, etc) to back up what i say. but after all this is a forum and although content is important thats not say there shouldnt be a personality or identity to give this forum some spice, some life, which in my opinion translates into more people being interested and not bored away.

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people then loose intrest in the discussion and leave, then you have your last word believing you are the victor or whatever you want to call it.

is that really what you think? as if i care about a "virtual win" if anything when a thread is ignored what i leave with is a feeling of, 'well at least i put my opinion out there and hopefully widened the views of those reading, even if they dont agree'. the only way i would even fantom a win would be if i see a post such as 'wow, in light of what you just said, i do think your opinion is more right then what i thought' sadly i've never seen a post like that, hehe.

sorry if i've ranted away to much especially off topic, call me crazy but i seriously enjoy these forum here.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

just curious have you ever gone to an american school? and if so how is it that you have managed to escape this american propoganda bullshit. this is just totally rediculous. like other countries don't hate america because of propoganda. look at the middle east and the anti america shit you find there? thats the whole problem...america is different from the middle east and they find our lifestyle a threat to their own because slowly their people see the benefits of it and so they attack us. all of this its not fair crap...well boo fucking hoo...if you don't like it, to bad. us policy is created to protect the majority and if that means selective checks at an airport because in the recent past a certain group has been killing americans then thats fine with me.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek you can't get in some arabic countries cause technically israel and some arabic countries are still at war, the first in mind is Syria.

Yes, I'm ok with this. But I pointed out the US is 'technically' at war with Iraq, North Korea, and Iran as well. After all Syria signed and armistice treaty with Israel, and should actually be at a state of 'cease-fire'.

The other, was I am noting other nations, such as Oman, UAE, and so forth, where they just bar you if you state you are 'Jewish' on the checkpoints to entry. This has no national barring, simply religious or race.

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even a Christian can't enter Saudi Arabia... only muslims because it is a holy land. I know that if you have a work permit there you can stay in Saudi Arabia but only in some areas of the country.

No Christians, can not enter select areas of Saudi Arabia such as the 'square rock' mosque in mecha, and I'm sure similar mosques in medina. In essence they are barring non-believers from entry into their holy places. Something only their religion seems to do.

Yoepus,

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The USA is only one of many nations which rejected the treaty. The fact is the treaty would have went into action with agreement of other nations (some 60% or so, can't recall specifis). Yet many saw it the same way the US did, as a very unfair unbalanced treaty.

Yes, but the US by far the largest polluter in the world, so they should cut down their pollution more than other countries. If US pollutes more than the other countries, it should cut back polution more than other countries.

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Right, lets slip into conspiracy theories shall we? If so they're are a ton I can throw back at you, from the Russians, Chinese, Western Europeans, Arabs, etc.. how come these conspiracies aren't critized as stronly as those of alleged american officials? Again, very selective.

Bush has been caught drunk driving, and some of his family had used cocaine.
And if you really believe Bush is such an altruist, you are being very naive. Oil is energent on which every countries economy relies, and it would be stupid to believe that the US indeed doesn't care about it.

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Oh sorry, this is coming from a man who believes the USA started all wars in the past 100 years. Apparently they have not heard of all the wars in asia, africa, latin america.. for crying out loud, who is inward looking now?

America does have inward looking and biased media. Maybe not so biased as some other coutries, but definitely inward looking.

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No Christians, can not enter select areas of Saudi Arabia such as the 'square rock' mosque in mecha, and I'm sure similar mosques in medina. In essence they are barring non-believers from entry into their holy places. Something only their religion seems to do.

Here I agree with you though, their religious laws are idiotic.

Maxim303,

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And with the mid-east, well, they were again the source of agression in this case.

First, the whole of middle east cannot be the agressor. You are making a discriminatory generalization here.
Second, US has been involved in middle east for long enough time that it is very hard to say who the agressor and who the victim is. In the 11.9. incident, the agressors were the terrorists, but overall I think the agressor was the US, for its continual involvement in most of the middle eastern countries' internal affairs.

In my opinion agression won't solve anything, but on the contrary, it will make both sides even more polarized. Arabs didn't hate the US 30 years ago. Only through continual US interference and US supported uprisings did this happen. That's why I don't feel sorry for the US, because many of those terrorists were before supported by the US.

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First, the whole of middle east cannot be the agressor. You are making a discriminatory generalization here. Second, US has been involved in middle east for long enough time that it is very hard to say who the agressor and who the victim is. In the 11.9. incident, the agressors were the terrorists, but overall I think the agressor was the US, for its continual involvement in most of the middle eastern countries' internal affairs. In my opinion agression won't solve anything, but on the contrary, it will make both sides even more polarized. Arabs didn't hate the US 30 years ago. Only through continual US interference and US supported uprisings did this happen. That's why I don't feel sorry for the US, because many of those terrorists were before supported by the US.

you obviously think that america is wrong for 'policing' the world, but in circumstances such as the middle east when the conflict has gone on for decades if not centuries without resolution, then what is the fault in trying to end the blood shed? its not like the us is trying to take over the gaza strip or something. and don't say because we are friends with isreal that yes that is exactly what we want to do because that is crap...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you obviously think that america is wrong for 'policing' the world, but in circumstances such as the middle east when the conflict has gone on for decades if not centuries without resolution, then what is the fault in trying to end the blood shed? its not like the us is trying to take over the gaza strip or something. and don't say because we are friends with isreal that yes that is exactly what we want to do because that is crap...

The united states is "friends" with israel whether you like it or not. And dont take the word friend for its literal meaning... acknowledge the socio-economic backdrop involved.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The united states is "friends" with israel whether you like it or not. And dont take the word friend for its literal meaning... acknowledge the socio-economic backdrop involved.

if israel is reeking in all these great benifits from being the US's friend, why dont the other arab neighbours aspire to be friendly as well?

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Originally posted by Izzy if israel is reeking in all these great benifits from being the US's friend, why dont the other arab neighbours aspire to be friendly as well?

Becuase the US doesnt want to be friends with them. And Israel is a kiss ass.. unlike the arabs.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Becuase the US doesnt want to be friends with them.

why wouldnt the US want to be the arabs friend? really why? i mean one good reason to be friendly is that the arabs possess oil, with is like heroin in the american industry's vien.

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And Israel is a kiss ass.. unlike the arabs.

im suggesting maybe they should, they'll BOTH benifit from it

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Originally posted by Izzy why wouldnt the US want to be the arabs friend? really why? i mean one good reason to be friendly is that the arabs possess oil, with is like heroin in the american industry's vien. im suggesting maybe they should, they'll BOTH benifit from it

I see it this way. Israel and America are the big bullies in the playground... they are mean and demanding and beat up anyone that doesnt listen to them. America is the bigger bully and isael is the smaller one.. being taught by the US how to strategically fight... even giving them a bat and a knife to do it. They benefit each other by learning how to bully and help each other bully the rest of the kids.

Nobody likes the bullies.

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you obviously think that america is wrong for 'policing' the world, but in circumstances such as the middle east when the conflict has gone on for decades if not centuries without resolution, then what is the fault in trying to end the blood shed? its not like the us is trying to take over the gaza strip or something. and don't say because we are friends with isreal that yes that is exactly what we want to do because that is crap...

This conflict has been going on since industry started to rely on oil. The US's only goal is not trying to bring peace and democracy to Iraq, nor to end the bloodshed. It is there to take over, but not territory, it is there to take the oil. Taking territory in global politics is an outdated idea, because with territorry come people of which you have to take care of.

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Becuase the US doesnt want to be friends with them. And Israel is a kiss ass.. unlike the arabs.

It is necesarry for Israel to support US, because it is surrounded by many hostile arab states. To do otherwise would lead Israel into it's downfall. America is therefore using Israel as it's base in the region

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im suggesting maybe they should, they'll BOTH benifit from it

Some arab states are on good terms with US, mainly Saudi Arabia. Those which tried to be independent are now screwed up and are not friendly.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike 2) State executions, including executions for crimes committed as a minor, and for the fact that the system is grossly racist.

haha, found this while surfing and this is the closest i could relate it to.... anyways nice to hear iran is coming along
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...s_the_stone_age

granted there are economic reasons for who our friends are, but further then that i think we are isreal's friends because of the result of ww2...we helped cause the problem so by changing sides it would be like acknowledging a mistake. besides the oil isn't in isreal...the oil is in other areas like azerbaijan and other arabian countries.

why doesn't the us wants to be friends with arabs or vice-versa ? look at the hordes of zionists working in the us press, hollywood and politics... any of you seen any movies portraying badly israelis beating the crap out of a palestinian?? but what you'll see is wanna be arabic rambos running all over with ak47 trying to wreak havoc before getting killed by the good american and all this while having a jewish director making the movie.

bleh.

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the oil is in other areas like azerbaijan and other arabian countries.

But the presence of Israel in the region, together with american support for the extremist groups leads to instabilitiy in the whole region, and makes governments of those countries agree to nonfavorable trade treaties with US in exchange for the US military/intelligence support.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek why doesn't the us wants to be friends with arabs or vice-versa ? look at the hordes of zionists working in the us press, hollywood and politics... any of you seen any movies portraying badly israelis beating the crap out of a palestinian?? but what you'll see is wanna be arabic rambos running all over with ak47 trying to wreak havoc before getting killed by the good american and all this while having a jewish director making the movie. bleh.

Eh...good ol' jealousy. I do not think that the jews in general have the justify their own success. So, they "control" a great part of media after having established huge film studios/ press agencies/newspapers/tv-chans.. I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt have cared if Chinese or Irish immigrantes had done this instead. What's your definition of "zionist" btw ? And..could u name some of those jewish propaganda movies where Arabs are shown as evil mosnters ?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek why doesn't the us wants to be friends with arabs or vice-versa ? look at the hordes of zionists working in the us press, hollywood and politics... any of you seen any movies portraying badly israelis beating the crap out of a palestinian?? but what you'll see is wanna be arabic rambos running all over with ak47 trying to wreak havoc before getting killed by the good american and all this while having a jewish director making the movie. bleh.

looks like someone is a fan of the elders of zion...one of the world's biggest propoganda publications. i don't know if you've read this book or not, but it sounds to me like if nothing else you've probably heard the image portrayed in it. basically for those of you that haven't...its about how jews are secretly planning to take over the world. the most interesting part of jewish history, something that is now held against them, is the fact that in the medieval ages, jews weren't allowed to hold regular respected positions in society because they were considered inferior to christians so they were forced to take jobs as money lenders because that was something that was not allowed for christians because they were not allowed to collect interest. so really one of the biggest stereo types in the world today is really the result of our own doing.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Eh...good ol' jealousy. I do not think that the jews in general have the justify their own success. So, they "control" a great part of media after having established huge film studios/ press agencies/newspapers/tv-chans.. I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt have cared if Chinese or Irish immigrantes had done this instead. What's your definition of "zionist" btw ? And..could u name some of those jewish propaganda movies where Arabs are shown as evil mosnters ?

True Lies....Under siege....and a Halle Berry/Kurt Douglas movie about airplane high jack.

so i'm at the airport in Amsterdam (schiphol) and heading back to the US. i'm not a US citizen, rather a Croatian citizen who lives in the US (perm). so they interrogate me like no tomorrow, just like all the rest of the non-US citizens. and it's all good cos i sure as hell wouldnt want some jacKfuck coming on the plane and blowing me to shreads. security measures i guess...how they're administering them is another story.

eh, my story isnt going anywhere.

>JM<

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Originally posted by fastmp3 home of the brave , land of the free , that's what a country says knowing the fact that they built it on the indian genocide and the black racial segregation , and many horrible things outside the american continent , shame shame shame ...

shut up with that garbage, you are saying it like the whole country of the present did that. most of the people in the usa dont agree with what is going on. i think it is retarted. all that stuff about the indians and the blacks was int eh past, it cant be fixed, so just shut up with that.

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