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Thanks for the great points Yoepus and Drewfactor!

Drewfactor brought up a good question i used to always ask... Why is it that the other 20 or so Arab countries dont take the so called 'palistinians' into their country as opposed to letting them stay refugees.
So many years and they still dont want the... please xplain to me why israel would - esspecially after the violence you wage against our beautiful country!

Cant wait to go back to my homeland where i was born. to see the beautiful mediterainian coastline from my apartment in Haifa.
How long should i visit this time... 3 weeks? 2 months... no, probably May to Sept, so perhaps 4 months!!
Cant wait to kiss the ground when i get off the plane in Israel. the home of every Jew! Where we feel free to be who we are. we could walk down the streets wearing a 'kippah' and not be spat upon or discriminated against... If it we're not for Zionism and its mission to free the jews of the world, i would, along with every other jew, probably be extinct right now!

G-d bless Israel and those nations who support it!
Amen!

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G-d bless Israel and those nations who support it! Amen!

>JM<

VIVA PALESTINE!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King VIVA PALESTINE!!!!!

What are we making victory speechs now?
Well then fine!

"A people should know when their conqured"

Oh wait, no that was just a quote from Gladiator. damn.

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Originally posted by drewfactor Actually, I read in a book about the middle east and apparently the in the early days of the Zionist movement, when palestine was a british colony, the jews actually resorted to terrorism. If I can remember, there was a group called the Irgun who were a more militant and radical part of the Zionist movement. Their acts of terrorism against arabs and the british was not condoned by the whole Jewish community. You are right, they didn't use suicide bombings though.

I'll expand just a bit more.
Some Jewish groups (not the mainstream ones, such as the Jewish Agency and the Haganah) did use tactics similar to "terrorism". And some can be termed directly such, especially according to your own persuassion. Attacks by the Irgun and many however were usually still strictly against the British adminstrative and military targets during their occupation of the area the Jews were fighting for independence. Attacks against Arabs, however, did include civilians (again civilian is an easy term to apply to any individual of a none formal national army, which neither the Jews or Arabs (of palestine) had) but were usually retaliatory in nature. Say, if Arabs would come in at night and kill several in a Jewish village, these groups would take it upon themselves to return the favor and the next night kill several in the responsible Arab village.

It is fair however to consider them a gurrellia and resistance movement, as these are undeinable. The problem with terrorism it is so losely defined, and so overused it has lost any of its value.

To put it simply, Jewish "terrorist" actions at those times, would be a far cry from any standard of today's Palestinian "terrorist", the latter of course being much worse and redefining the standard itself.

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Basically if you would agree with me and still keep with your point, you think the locating of a Jewish state here is wrong... Do you?

Yes, that is exactly my point. Israel is a racist state, how can it not be if its purpose is a homeland for jewish people.

If I were to say to you, my suburb only allows Anglo-Saxons because we Anglos are afraid of other ethnic groups, what would you say I was. Not half obvious. A racist.

Yet Israel gets away with it by perpetually claim its people are historical victims. Anyone who criticises Israel is a racist. By Jewish logic We should we have an ethnically pure homeland for the Armenians, the Kurds, the Romani.

I seem to recall another leader who relied on fear and hatred of 'outsiders' to gradually isolate, alienate and ultimate exterminate. He said look at us we are the victims but its not our fault its the Jews and the Communists who are to blame. And people went along with it because they were afraid or secretly enviously of the Jews and they thought they might profit if they suffered. What was the result. In the long run did Germany benefit from going along with the Nazis and their race based idelogy.

A two state system or how it is now is not economically viable.

Just remember the white south africa of the apartheid era was just as racist as Israel. They gave up control voluntarily. There are still white people in South Africa and they still control the economy. It is always a mistake to judge others by the standards that you hold yourself.

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Originally posted by rupert I seem to recall another leader who relied on fear and hatred of 'outsiders' to gradually isolate, alienate and ultimate exterminate. He said look at us we are the victims but its not our fault its the Jews and the Communists who are to blame. And people went along with it because they were afraid or secretly enviously of the Jews and they thought they might profit if they suffered. What was the result. In the long run did Germany benefit from going along with the Nazis and their race based idelogy.

Well, for once, a large Jewish group or organization that is up for expending territories through war and conquer in order to give the jews a larger living area to reproduce in and rule the natives is yet to have risen.

Any official organization with racist views has also never had any influence, and as much as I recall the last one that got close to it was the "KH" party who whore dissaproved of the right to be voted at the elections a decade and a half ago because they were too extreme.

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Originally posted by rupert Yes, that is exactly my point. Israel is a racist state, how can it not be if its purpose is a homeland for jewish people. If I were to say to you, my suburb only allows Anglo-Saxons because we Anglos are afraid of other ethnic groups, what would you say I was. Not half obvious. A racist. Yet Israel gets away with it by perpetually claim its people are historical victims. Anyone who criticises Israel is a racist. By Jewish logic We should we have an ethnically pure homeland for the Armenians, the Kurds, the Romani.

Well, if you would ask for my point of view, it IS wrong to have a Jewish state, but for one reason: I'm far from being a religous person. Once people stop taking notice of a person's religion (And in Hitler's case, he defined the Jews as a race but that was lame, as I thin we could all agree), Jews could live anywhere as freely as they want.

That is not possible in the near future though, and as I've said, history slapped us hard time and time again, with the riots in Russia, St. Silvester and the inquisition, even these days with many Neo - Nazy movements in the United States.
Add the still hurting wound of Adolf Hitler and you have enough evidence to show that no matter how advanced and free-minded you think society is, as long as religion is considered, the ancient differences will rise at tough times and the outsider WILL eat shit.

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