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Posted by Suzaku on May-22-2001 06:47:
Remember the trance scene is still very young compared to the other genres. You know how trance has only truly been around since the early to mid nineties, and already there is a huge amount of diversity in the different styles of trance... goa/psychidelic, uplifting, progressive, epic, dark, tech etc. Well, house got it's start in the early eighties, nearly 10 years before trance. Imagine the amount of variation in the trance genre 10 years from now.
It's no wonder some of you say "House is crap", the house you are listening to probably is crap... but that doesn't mean that good house doesn't exist.
Even if you go through the entire house genre and find you don't like anything at least you'll know your history. You'll learn the different genres, and educate yourselves. Show them that trance isn't just a phase, show them that it isn't just music for little pill-munching kids.
Posted by patticus on May-22-2001 11:07:
soulstar, get the Essential Mix by Sasha 2-27-00
he's normally trance but there's some excellent buildups and deep house in the set.
icq 36738410 (i could send it to you if you like)
Posted by tu_face on May-22-2001 11:38:
infinity & suzaku said it all... 
peace
Posted by Renegade on May-22-2001 13:28:
Some of you really are displaying a pretty worrying degree of ignorance. It's no suprise that the ones who are proclaiming to dislike house are also the ones who know the least about it. Let me dispel some myths:
- Hard House isn't house - just because it has the word house in it's title it doesn't mean it's anything like house music. Hard House's musical roots are with the old-school techno genres, not with house.
- For the same reason, NU-NRG isn't considered house music.
- Phats & Small are vaguely considered house, but only in the same way that Fragma are considered trance. Don't judge an entire genre on the exploits of the few.
- Robert Miles definately isn't a house artist. The few tracks that I have heard from are trance in one guise or another, but certainly not house.
- True, house has it's roots mainly in disco music (with the vague influence of rap - black americans were instrumental in shaping house music in the late 80's into what it became later on) but house music isn't just confined to this sound. As many people have said before, house music has spread into many different genres (which I'll go into later) even in recent times, let alone back in the early 90's. Like Tu_face said, if anything, techno and trance can probably be traced back to house music influences if we go far enough back along the musical family-tree.
- To whoever said it before, Jeniffer Lopez isn't house, she's pop. If J-Lo is house, then Steps are trance.
Why am I defending house then?
Well, actually, I was once one of those people who didn't really like house much at all. I used to listen almost exclusively to trance, and knew house only as that Phats & Small type crap that they used to play in clubs occasionally. Put simply, if the song wasn't remixed by Ferry Corsten or one of his euro-trance counterparts, I wouldn't listen to it.
But then, about a year ago, I started getting into progressive music as it started to become more popular. I went, very quickly, from thinking that Sasha - Xpander was boring and slow, into thinking it was a far more emotional and engaging track than any of the pure trance tracks that I'd been listening to. From these sort of tech-trance roots I slowly moved into what you'd class as somewhere between tech-house and progressive: guys like Cass & Slide (who someone mentioned before), Halo Varga, Steve Porter, Timo Maas and so on. In fact, come to think of it, it may have been the inexplicable popularity of Timo Maas that propelled me towards the progressive genre. Then I drifted slowly towards the house genre by listening to deep house music (like Deep Dish and Satoshi Tomiie) and more pure tech house music (i.e. without much element of trance left - guys like Danny Tenaglia).
From here, it took just one man to inspire me towards listening to true house music: Olav Basoski. Someone mentioned him before, and I'm telling you now, the guy is a fucking god. For those of you who don't think house music can move you, for god's sake download Olav's remix of Mirrorball - Given Up. I haven't been afforderd the opportunity of listening to it in a club yet, but my god if I ever did I would seriously lose the plot.
From Olav I had a place from which I could begin exploring the rest of the house genre, and I have really been getting into it of late. A couple of really good house dj's along the way sealed the deal, and while I'd still say that progressive is my first genre (I can't get enough of the stuff) house is coming a pretty close second. In fact now when I look back, pure trance music seems pretty dull to me. It's a good place for everyone to start off when first listening to electronic music (basically because it's simple and energetic) but that's about it really. Trance in it's pure sense (and I'm talking the kind of music produced by Corsten, AVB, Tiesto, PVD and so on) has nowhere left to go, and that's why it is slowly having to become more progressive (just take a look at Tiesto's Flight 643). You find that people who listen to trance exclusively generally do so simply because they haven't experienced the other genres enough to properly imerse themsleves in them. Take a look at me for instance: I hated house and only listened to trance but then the second I was actually able to experience progressive and house music I quickly realised that trance music wasn't the one for me.
Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy trance music to a degree - and I'll quite happily put on a Matt Darey record or summit whenever I want to go a bit crazy (hell why else would I be in a trance lovers forum) - but the point is by experiencing everything else there is to offer, I was able to make a more informed decision and went down the progressive and house path. And, fair enough, I know that that path may not be for everyone, but for god's sake give the other genre's a chance. If you experience these other genres and dislike them then fine, you can stick where you are, but you at least owe it to yourself to broaden your horizons a bit. In fact listening to other genres of music may, in your cases, strengthen your love of trance music, because you finally have a ground of reference in order to compare and relate trance music to. You have to want to experience these other things though - if you have a closed mind (as many of you seem to) you're not going to experience much, in life in general, at all.
Finally, don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, because I said, the majority of my grounding in electronic music is in the trance genre, and I'm willing to bet that I know more about it many of you. I'm only trying to open up your minds, and hope that you can experience what I experienced when I dragged myself away from the exclusivism of trance music and allowed myself to open up to a whole new world of sounds.
Be open-minded with these sorts of things guys, you'd be suprised: you might actually like what you hear.
Posted by Utopia1278 on May-22-2001 14:31:
actually the cheezy hard house genres you are refering to are usually taken from old rap and r&b tracks!
Posted by da_MynDLesS_one on May-22-2001 19:13:
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Originally posted by Renegade
Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy trance music to a degree - and I'll quite happily put on a Matt Darey record or summit whenever I want to go a bit crazy (hell why else would I be in a trance lovers forum) - but the point is by experiencing everything else there is to offer, I was able to make a more informed decision and went down the progressive and house path. And, fair enough, I know that that path may not be for everyone, but for god's sake give the other genre's a chance. If you experience these other genres and dislike them then fine, you can stick where you are, but you at least owe it to yourself to broaden your horizons a bit. In fact listening to other genres of music may, in your cases, strengthen your love of trance music, because you finally have a ground of reference in order to compare and relate trance music to. You have to want to experience these other things though - if you have a closed mind (as many of you seem to) you're not going to experience much, in life in general, at all.
Finally, don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, because I said, the majority of my grounding in electronic music is in the trance genre, and I'm willing to bet that I know more about it many of you. I'm only trying to open up your minds, and hope that you can experience what I experienced when I dragged myself away from the exclusivism of trance music and allowed myself to open up to a whole new world of sounds.
Be open-minded with these sorts of things guys, you'd be suprised: you might actually like what you hear. |
Geez, you make it sound as if we're all completely ignorant of all other music except for trance... I can't speak for everyone, but I've heard most of what's out there... I'm not bashing house, but trance is the only genre that does it for me... I'm sure the reason a lot of us got into electronic music to begin with was because we were open-minded... so no offence or anything, but a lot of us really don't need to be told to open our minds...
Posted by patticus on May-22-2001 19:19:
well, olav is good, but that's just disco house. or "house" as many people know it. anyways, i cant stand satoshi tomiie or tenaglia, im very much into deep house but that's just stuff that puts me to sleep. halo/hipp-e and moonface, etc. is good shtuff (that american cactus label)
tenaglia's probably the only kind of house i DONT like.
and no one said that hard house was house
i was just saying that its one of those names which confuse people
Posted by Daffer on May-22-2001 19:57:
I like house but progressive and a bit of acid, commercial house is almost totally off my book.
Posted by Suzaku on May-22-2001 20:02:
Very well written Renegade... I couldn't have said it better myself 
Posted by Renegade on May-23-2001 01:47:
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Geez, you make it sound as if we're all completely ignorant of all other music except for trance... I can't speak for everyone, but I've heard most of what's out there... I'm not bashing house, but trance is the only genre that does it for me... I'm sure the reason a lot of us got into electronic music to begin with was because we were open-minded... so no offence or anything, but a lot of us really don't need to be told to open our minds...
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I'm not saying that all of you are ignorant of all other genres of music. I'm sure that plenty of you have experienced all sorts of music, but came back to trance because it was the genre for you. And that's fine, each to their own.
All I'm trying to emphasise is that a lot of people (like I used to be) are fairly ignorant about house music and this would go a long way to explain their paranoid distaste towards it. Again, I'm not pointing fingers, and I'm sure that the vast majority of you don't fall into this catagory, but I'm simply saying that many of you don't know as much about house as you may think, and that the only way you can possibly say that you don't like it (or staunchly prefer trance to it) is to experience it properly first.
Posted by Paul_Van_Trance on May-23-2001 02:01:
eyy peepz..
back after a long layoff due to exams nshit..
will get back to that shortly.. so i'll be off for another 2 weeks.. but i'm peepin in here every now and then to check out whats up..
nyway..
onto the topic:
House is fukin awesome man.
These are the MAIN forms of house:
Progressive/Hard/Tribal/tec/Funky house
you prolly don't know much bout them.. and in fact u could be listening to LOTS of house.. simply not knowing that it is house.
Sasha/Diggers Northern Exposure & Communicate were progressive house. Their laetst work (Digweeds GU) is Tribal-tec House (my favourite genre of music)
Funky house.. ppl confuse it alot.. and those who confuse it the most are the guys in record shops. They classify Funky house as this amazing beats track that makes you dance all nite.. and some classify it as belonging to these 80s disco tunes mixed into a housey beat (the shite type). The first classification is amazing, and for me personally, I like that type of funky house plus Tribal House.
I listen to prog stuff every now and then, and thanks to tu_face my interest in it is growin
but I can rip a couple nice funky choonz to u guys, plus some tribal stuff off my vinyl collection... and trust me u'll love it.
House is the bomb..
laterz
Posted by Paul_Van_Trance on May-23-2001 02:11:
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Originally posted by infinity
tribal.. ahhhhh
now ur talking
the likes of Dave Seaman..
mmmmm yes.. Renaissance Crew.. oh yeaaaa......
1999 Tribal trance was the best =p |
oh ya.. someone knows!!
who better than infinity..
back to 99.. get Anthony Pappa's Sessions Volume 1
fukin great stuff.. dunno if its late 99 or early 2000 though..
Renaissance.. the last 2 dave Seaman stuff is the best.
Check out Renaissance "the awakening" from last year and the newly released Renaissance also mixed by Dave Seaman.
the best shit u can hear.
Posted by breakdown on May-23-2001 02:11:
tribal.. ahhhhh
now ur talking
the likes of Dave Seaman..
mmmmm yes.. Renaissance Crew.. oh yeaaaa......
1999 Tribal trance was the best =p
Posted by u4ea:[soulstar] on May-23-2001 02:26:
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Originally posted by patticus
soulstar, get the Essential Mix by Sasha 2-27-00
he's normally trance but there's some excellent buildups and deep house in the set.
icq 36738410 (i could send it to you if you like) |
ok.. lemme search around for it.. thanks
Posted by u4ea:[soulstar] on May-23-2001 02:51:
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Originally posted by Utopia1278
actually the cheezy hard house genres you are refering to are usually taken from old rap and r&b tracks! |
.. if i had the choice between that and britney spears, i'll take the former anyday of the week!!
[RENEGADE]
Nice post. Flexibility is the operative word. I wouldn't mind if you recommended me something artists/titles for house you listen to. I've realized for a long time I need to expand my musical tastes. Variety for the taste buds is very good. Cause sometimes I can just get sick of trance and need a diversion. It was just hard for me to find good house music.
For everyone else who thinks House sucks the big one, well gotta learn to appreciate the different sound and themes of trance and house. Cuz then you realize House is not just in the ballpark as Trance. Its not even in the same sport.
like House has more sex appeal (bump and grind) while tRance can be more sensual and romantic. Two different games, two different macks! get it? ahahah
in truth both great genres need each other, to push the limits and beyond the sound and spirit of this subculture.
Personally, if i was a producer i would listen to both, so i have a solid foundation to make music.
Posted by Renegade on May-24-2001 11:03:
For u4ea:[soulstar] :
Drop me a line on either icq or e-mail and I'd be more than happy to send you a few tracks to sample, as well as giving you any other information you might want. Same goes for anyone else who's interested, feel free to give me a beep, always happy to help out:
icq# 13526835
e-mail: [email protected]
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