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Originally posted by Galapidate Jeez, can't they wrap things up in Afghanistan and Iraq first?!?! Seriously, all Bush is doing is disrupting the Mideast and is not putting the countries back together after going in. It is obvious he has never heard of post-war reconstruction before in his life.

Here's an interesting article I read on the Iraqi reconstruction effort:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?nav=hptop_tb

At least Iraq is getting more attention than afghanistan.

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Originally posted by occrider Here's an interesting article I read on the Iraqi reconstruction effort: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?nav=hptop_tb At least Iraq is getting more attention than afghanistan.

Well that's quite obvious. But Taliban are seeping back into Afghanistan again.

seeping? bah! they're fuckin mass collecting again. And rebuilding efforts in Iraq? ha! more like more American soldiers have been killed these past few days than during the actual military campaign. They aren't rebuilding shit. the Shiites are going to revolt as soon as a "government" is setup.

Well I used the term "seeping" because that's how the mass media refers to it as.

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Originally posted by Galapidate Well I used the term "seeping" because that's how the mass media refers to it as.

fuck the media! haven't we already established that the media doesn't know its collective ass from its collective elbow?

Re: Deja Vu

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Originally posted by Vesa Indeed, it's time to reassess this topic. Some of my predictions about Iran back in March were right, some wrong, but what's important is that Neocons are now pushing hard for a regime change in Iran. Apparently Neocons are repeating their tactics from Iraq, and they are going to use only CIA, American/British Spec-Ops and propaganda to get a pro-"democratic" popular uprising in Iran: Special forces 'prepare for Iran attack' http://www.thisislondon.com/news/ar...ning%20Standard British and American intelligence and special forces have been put on alert for a conflict with Iran within the next 12 months, as fears grow that Tehran is building a nuclear weapons programme. ... Already CIA agents are known to have been working inside Iran to establish the full range of the Iranian nuclear programme ... A British intelligence official said that any campaign against Iran would not be a ground war like the one in Iraq. The Americans will use different tactics, said the intelligence officer. "It is getting quite scary." Guess who is among the first to agitate US into taking action ... Richard Perle! Rumsfeld Adviser Urges Support for Iran Protests http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...Id=9116&lang=en "There may be change in Iran because the regime in Iran is miserably unpopular," Perle said at the German Council on Foreign Relations. "Young Iranians will find better uses for their limited resources than building nuclear power in a country so rich in oil. We can already see signs that Iranians... would like to see regime change. They should be encouraged." Paralleling their 1990's plans of a popular uprising in Iraq, Neocons are now trying to pass an "Iran Democracy Act": Bush pressed to pursue 'regime change' in Iran http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentS...p=1012571727162 The Iran Democracy Act would be similar in approach to the Iraq Liberation Act passed by Congress in 1998 which adopted regime change in Baghdad as the policy goal. The Iran bill would make it US policy to "support an internationally monitored referendum in Iran by which the Iranian people can peacefully change the system of government in Iran". More than $50m would be provided to support opposition Iranian groups and broadcasters adopting this goal. Mr Brownback said it was possible that a provision for covert operations would also be included. Blair is again supporting the US. The following link didn't work, but the headline says it all: UK Wants EU Ultimatum for Iran (Telegraph article) The US and their lapdog once again want Europe to participate in their adventure. Hostile language is used especially against France: But Perle said Washington needed more backing and called on Germany to help end divisions opened up by the war between some European nations and the United States. "I would hope that you Germans would persuade the French that the situation France is creating by trying to build Europe in opposition to the United States is bad for Germany, bad for Europe and bad ultimately for France." Gentlemen, the cat is out of the bag!!! No more talk about cheese-eating surrender monkeys, but even Perle admits that this is strategical rivalry: US against EU. It's hard to assess the significance of the latest anti-"terrorist" operation in France, but it looks to me like France is defiant even with regard to Iran. So defiant, that they threw sand at Neocons' face by crushing their favourite pet i.e. the Iranian opposition group who might do Neocons' fighting for them Iran's "future president" arrested http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_de...642-1-9,00.html French police have arrested more than 150 people in a crackdown on the People's Mujahadeen, the main Iranian opposition group, including a woman seen by the group as the future president of the country, police said. I'm not sure if the US can protest this action because Bush calls his policy with the name "War On Terror", so France arresting terrorists can't be against US interests, right? Anyway, this group is strategically equivalent to Chalabi/INC in Iraq, so behind the scenes, the US is likely to be very upset, and the US/EU rift is growing very big. EU lately played lip service to the US by demanding Iran allows nuclear inspectors, but I suspect this is really just a stalling tactics to sabotage Neocon plans. Of course, the supporters of regime change in Iran will disguise the latest Neocon actions by saying they are "contingency plans only", so that Anti-War Camp would wake up only when it's too late. But we all know that Neocons may only have one and a half years in power, so they'll do their everything to get a regime change in Iran before the Presidential elections.

thanks for posting those M8!!
but after reading it all,Iam VERY scared and sad at the same time,I mean my people already got the taste of Amercian Influence back in days,and they know very well that America ruined their country by bringing Mollahs.I just hope they make the right decision,and if there is going to be a regime change let the people decide what they want,not America.
I heard recently Reza Shah's son is joining the Mojahedin which is very scary,and believe me thats worst thing that could happen to Iran,Mojahedin are bunch of fucked up people that will be worst then the current goverment in Iran,and they wont bring freedom to iran.I heard some scary stories from my parents,that made me sick to my stomach.
If there is ever going to be a war between EU and U.S,America Attacking Iran would the major cause of that.
Iran means soo much to europe,and there is alot involve with them that I dont even know.
so it is a very scary time right now,I just pray that America would stay the fuck away because if they attack I could say it is a begining of bigger wars.

I watched Pahlavi's son in an interview a couple months ago. He was talking about how he felt it was time for change in Iran because he thinks many people hate the government. Apparently he's conducting something similar to a revolution straight from the U.S. (where he's located now) to Iran.

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Originally posted by Galapidate I watched Pahlavi's son in an interview a couple months ago. He was talking about how he felt it was time for change in Iran because he thinks many people hate the government. Apparently he's conducting something similar to a revolution straight from the U.S. (where he's located now) to Iran.

hopefuly this time people wont let this happen,since they know what could happen if they let US to get involve!!
if there is going to be a new government in Iran,it should be made in Iran from the people who live there,not from someone who hasnt been to Iran for 30 yrs!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer hopefuly this time people wont let this happen,since they know what could happen if they let US to get involve!! if there is going to be a new government in Iran,it should be made in Iran from the people who live there,not from someone who hasnt been to Iran for 30 yrs!!

Well, considering his ability to be in Iran, that is sort of unfair. His father went into exile from Iran, and his family followed. Besides, the irony in that is funny because a minor example of this is demonstrated in the U.S. Why does Hillary Clinton get to be senator of New York if she never lived there? So why can't the Shah's son hypothetically become leader of Iran even though he went with his father into exile 25 years ago.

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Originally posted by Galapidate Well, considering his ability to be in Iran, that is sort of unfair. His father went into exile from Iran, and his family followed. Besides, the irony in that is funny because a minor example of this is demonstrated in the U.S. Why does Hillary Clinton get to be senator of New York if she never lived there? So why can't the Shah's son hypothetically become leader of Iran even though he went with his father into exile 25 years ago.

well I guess anything is possible these days,and hey it might even happen.But I really doubt that you see since 70% of the population there is under 30 yrs of age,most of then dont know how is like having a king ruling their country,and hey lets be honets those days are over,and that was not democracy all the way,in the other hand they all have experienced life under the rules of islam,and its seems that they dont want their country being run by religion.
so Iam very anxtious to see who they want to be the leader and what type of government they choose.
on an interview with Shah's son he said he wants to go to iran and let people decide what they want,but I think he wants to follow his fathers foot steps,and snice I heard that he joined the Mojahedin,I think he is talking shit.

HArdcore.... nice meeting you at MArco V on Saturday.

Anyway.. with respect to the Mujahadin, I beleive they are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are not religious fanatics and infact want equality between all ages, sexes, religions and races there along with the freedom of speech and expression. They outline for a democratic Iran is to me very western, something that the mid east lacks yet in Iran is very much craved. Although they may take extreme measures to go about ridding those pieces of shit in power, I am all for it. The Mujahadin's major beleif is that RELIGION should not govern a nation but a people should.

I still have to read up on this group, but from what many iranians have told me... their leader Maryam... is a courageous woman. That if there is an Iranian revolution....the MUjahadin should come in power as they are the most democratic and realistic.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King HArdcore.... nice meeting you at MArco V on Saturday. Anyway.. with respect to the Mujahadin, I beleive they are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are not religious fanatics and infact want equality between all ages, sexes, religions and races there along with the freedom of speech and expression. They outline for a democratic Iran is to me very western, something that the mid east lacks yet in Iran is very much craved. Although they may take extreme measures to go about ridding those pieces of shit in power, I am all for it. The Mujahadin's major beleif is that RELIGION should not govern a nation but a people should. I still have to read up on this group, but from what many iranians have told me... their leader Maryam... is a courageous woman. That if there is an Iranian revolution....the MUjahadin should come in power as they are the most democratic and realistic.

heey wazup Cyrus!!

I personally dont want the Mujahadin in Iran,I think they are terrorist IMO,do yuo know how many times they bombed Tehran??
based on what I've heard from people around and my parents they'll do no good to Iran.But I need to do more research on this group and see what they area really up to!!
also from what I heard is that even people in Iran dont want anything to do with them,I personally think they should stay out too, I mean look they've been out of Iran since who knows how long,and now they want to be on power regradless of the people in Iran think of them.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer heey wazup Cyrus!! I personally dont want the Mujahadin in Iran,I think they are terrorist IMO,do yuo know how many times they bombed Tehran?? based on what I've heard from people around and my parents they'll do no good to Iran.But I need to do more research on this group and see what they area really up to!! also from what I heard is that even people in Iran dont want anything to do with them,I personally think they should stay out too, I mean look they've been out of Iran since who knows how long,and now they want to be on power regradless of the people in Iran think of them.

I know that they have terrorized and even ended up killing the Mullah's, but they do not kill innocent civilians...only those people in power that have been accused of murdering many people.

And the reason why there are hardly any Mujahadin supporters in Iran is becuase they were either killed, forced out or escaped Iran when these religious rulers began to enforce inequality amongst the population. Many of the supporters of Mujahdin excaped to Europe and America. You can even see now how loyal some of these supporters are when looking at the recent circumstances in France and Germany where fellow supporters set themselves on fire in protest of Maryam's arrest.

But like you.... i still have to do more research on this group.... the last thing we need is another bunch of people telling us lies and then making life very annoying in Iran for another 20 years.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But like you.... i still have to do more research on this group.... the last thing we need is another bunch of people telling us lies and then making life very annoying in Iran for another 20 years.

Yes thats exactly what I dont want to see happen,thats why the popel inside Iran should decide their own faith not some outsiders that havent been to Iran for 30 yrs.
I dont know if you know that or not but American gov cosiders the Mujahadin as a terrorist network,but that could be bullshit,they just dont want to show the world that they support terrorism,but I think they are working with them behind the scene,since theya re the only active group against the Iranian regime.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Yes thats exactly what I dont want to see happen,thats why the popel inside Iran should decide their own faith not some outsiders that havent been to Iran for 30 yrs. I dont know if you know that or not but American gov cosiders the Mujahadin as a terrorist network,but that could be bullshit,they just dont want to show the world that they support terrorism,but I think they are working with them behind the scene,since theya re the only active group against the Iranian regime.

The US government views all Arab groups with weapons as terrorists, let's not get started with that. But, remember what happened the last time the US negotiated with Iranian terrorists? They don't want that, obviously, to happen again.
It comes as no suprise to me that Pahlavi's son would be the one to start a revolution, considering which family he's from and who his dad was.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 The US government views all Arab groups with weapons as terrorists, let's not get started with that. But, remember what happened the last time the US negotiated with Iranian terrorists? They don't want that, obviously, to happen again. It comes as no suprise to me that Pahlavi's son would be the one to start a revolution, considering which family he's from and who his dad was.

yes I remember what happend,they created the Islamic Republic Of Iran!!
and now they dont want them anymore,so they are pushing for another revolution.
About the new regime I say it again,the new governemnt should be selcted in Iran and from the people who live there,and apperantly Pahlavi's son is now part og Mojahadin,so I dont know what effect that could have in the future!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yes I remember what happend,they created the Islamic Republic Of Iran!! and now they dont want them anymore,so they are pushing for another revolution. About the new regime I say it again,the new governemnt should be selcted in Iran and from the people who live there,and apperantly Pahlavi's son is now part og Mojahadin,so I dont know what effect that could have in the future!!

Well, just because Pahlavi's son is part of the Mujahadin doesn't necessarily mean that Iran will be governed my extremists. He might be just using the Mujahidin as a vehicle to start the revolution.

And the other conflict I was referring to was the Iran/Contra affair.

I posted this same argument on a different forum. The US is the biggest terrorist of all. I got there to school and i know first hand what people in the US are like. The majority of the world hates the US, not the people, they are just puppets, have no idea whats going on, because they create all the problems in the world. And lets stop talking about 9/11...3000 people die in the states and its hell on earth. The US has killed millions over the last 50 years and nobody gives a shit. They get what the deserve. Its unfortunate for the people that suffered and i feel for them, but what you do to others you will get back ten fold.....

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Originally posted by che I posted this same argument on a different forum. The US is the biggest terrorist of all. I got there to school and i know first hand what people in the US are like. The majority of the world hates the US, not the people, they are just puppets, have no idea whats going on, because they create all the problems in the world. And lets stop talking about 9/11...3000 people die in the states and its hell on earth. The US has killed millions over the last 50 years and nobody gives a shit. They get what the deserve. Its unfortunate for the people that suffered and i feel for them, but what you do to others you will get back ten fold.....

The reason for all the talks about 9/11 is because so many people died in one day in one attack. Also, it was the first time that America was directly attacked on its own soil by terrorism. Sure, there have been embassies bombed by terrorists and other such acts, but this occurred in the heart of the U.S. in NYC. As for your analysis of the American people as "puppets", how can that be possible if you claim we cause all the problems in the world? I'm sure that we are the root cause of terrorism and terrorist organizations. I bet the U.S. gave Hamas their weapons.

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Originally posted by Galapidate I bet the U.S. gave Hamas their weapons.

NO, everyone knows Israel gave 'em to Hamas! at least that what electronicintifada.com once claimed. Idiots!

haha

Hamas and Hezbollah have traditionally been funded by Iran mainly I believe. Oddly enough they both have done a great deal of humanitarianism in Lebanon and such, creating schools, and hosptials.


Should Iran be conventionally attacked by the U.S I think there would be a great deal of civilian casualties. During the first gulf war, the Iraqi military was crushed out in the middle of the desert, and the U.S was able to destroy what was left of the military in the second gulf war simply becuase there was very little of the miltary left. Although Iran's military is very much focused in and around Tehran and other cities as well as around the borders. The casualties would be countless. Simple looking at this with a media and world opinion perspective the entire world would be outraged by this. There is no chance that the U.S could justify a conventional war with Iran especially now that they still have not found any WMD in Iraq. It'll never happen, though i'm sure covert operations are occuring in Iran as we speak.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe There is no chance that the U.S could justify a conventional war with Iran especially now that they still have not found any WMD in Iraq. It'll never happen, though i'm sure covert operations are occuring in Iran as we speak.

They could say that Iran is hiding WMDs!

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Originally posted by Galapidate They could say that Iran is hiding WMDs!

haha and the rest of the world would believe them like the last time riight??

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe haha and the rest of the world would believe them like the last time riight??

Indeed.

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