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nutty!

this posting went nuts!!!!

I learned some new things! But I still mainly remain the same... My views on the jewish reasons behind the holocaust are mainly the views that jews who are observant share as another example of what happens when we Jews lose our way...

It's a sad history tale. If you want to learn about it, its widely known....

The jews have always been assimilating into foreign cultures, and it always backlashes on us. You can go far enough to say its a phenomenon!!!!!! And when you see how repetitive the theme of assimilation --> punishment/expulsion| is then you will agree with me that the observant jewish view is a very good one for jews to have to 'if anything' keep the jews realizing that by going away from our way of life we will ultimately suffer. Because history shows that is what happens.


Thank you for your comments and sharing guys!!!

Shlomo Eliyahu Baron

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Originally posted by melech_mike NFA quote: DROP PILLS NOT BOMBS -- No, drop pills, get them fucked off they're ass, than drop the bombs before they feel they're come downs!! Hey, at least show them you care!

well i was going to say something before but didnt. now that you've said something..here i go

should be:

DROP BOMBS NOT PILLS

gets rid of the ignorant more effectively, and faster too!

>JM<

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Originally posted by JM well i was going to say something before but didnt. now that you've said something..here i go should be: DROP BOMBS NOT PILLS gets rid of the ignorant more effectively, and faster too! >JM<

nice one! congratulations JM, a very useful post for us all, a real pearl of wisdom. thank you 4 showing us what u're truely made of.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 That depends. Prior to Hitler's rise to power France had occupied the richest german industrial region (Ruhr). That's why I think German attack on France was partially justified.

Yea except the Germans got the Ruhr back in the mid-20s in exchange for a demilitarization of the Rhineland ... which they subsequentely violated in 1936.

Essentially by the mid 30's the Germans were ignoring all the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles anyway ... so they didn't go to war to escape the treaty at all.

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Originally posted by occrider Yea except the Germans got the Ruhr back in the mid-20s in exchange for a demilitarization of the Rhineland ... which they subsequentely violated in 1936. Essentially by the mid 30's the Germans were ignoring all the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles anyway ... so they didn't go to war to escape the treaty at all.

there is also the fact that in the 1930's global depression, hitler's solution for job creation was the construction of weapons. having built them, he need to use them. (i see a worrying similarity here with what the bush administration is doing now that it has increased it's already scary defense budget.)

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine. look at this palestinian legislator threatens US with suicide bomber! these dirtbags need to be stomped on. Everything on the east side of the jordan river was designated to its rightful owner. But these pigs can't handle that and the baby world cries whenever any justice is served!!! Well we are slowly losing our country, our pride, and our way of life, just to conform to the worlds demands. Would Russia do this in our place? Or Germany? Or Sweden? Or America???? I doubt it. Jews are the worlds punching bag, as long as jews don't realize who they are, A PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROUD, not a people who should hide in the dark and 'clothe' themselves in foreign ideologies. Jews should act like jews, after all they are the only civilization that exists from the biblical ages, (as noted by christians around the world, and muslims in fact too!) I'm sure with thousands of years of leadership and stories and books, and laws, (jewish law was what the ancient babylonians based their laws from, and thus we have the roots of todays modern laws) so why don't the jews act according to their own laws? but instead take a 'remixed' version done by whatever handful of countries that they can dwell in? puzzling questions. I think when things are foggy, and unclear in a moment like now, in a few years when someone is gonna take a risk out there, leadership wise, and try something new, we will see the fog start to clear. what part will we play?? SHLOMO

Who are the ones living in refugee camps decades after they were kicked them out of their homes in Palestine?? Certainly not the Jews!!!! I feel so sick that my country sells bullets and missiles and planes etc. so that Israel can murder children throwing rocks...

Israel is NOT a decocracy, it's a theocracy!

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Originally posted by occrider Although I will say that arbiter presents a very convincing and coherent argument. I won't go so far to say that I understand what kind of situation that they are in that would warrant such tactics, however I will say that perhaps their method should be examined more so than their cause.

I agree. I'm not saying I support terrorism @ all. The palestinians need someone other than a terrorist to lead them in their struggle for dignity and equal treatment.

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Originally posted by NFA there is also the fact that in the 1930's global depression, hitler's solution for job creation was the construction of weapons. having built them, he need to use them. (i see a worrying similarity here with what the bush administration is doing now that it has increased it's already scary defense budget.)

Why would you need to use them once they're there? Trust me Hitler's reasons for invading Europe wasn't because he had the tools to do it. And I don't think that Bush is stupid enough to engage in a war simply because he can.

Re: as usual.. ignorance!!!

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech get a clue!!! a few of you, like Arbiter , sounds like they know what they are talking about. but for the rest of you, no offence, but you in the world, I know because you live like me in a free society, you feel you have the right to stick your nose whereever you please and add your 'needed' two cents, but lets be honest guys! most of you from what your saying have no idae what your talking about!! Firstly, the 'occupation' is full of crap!! the P.L.O. was established in around 1963, AROUND 4 YEARS BEFORE ISRAEL CONQUERED THE AREA OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL, IN A DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!! lol ISrael is the only country to get scorned from what it conquered in a DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!! LOLOLOLOL How can any of you say anything? and that little 'not like what they did in 1948'! YOUR SO IGNORANT I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!!! HOW ACN WAKE UP EVERYDAY NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT!?!?!? ISRAEL WAS CREATED FROM HANDFULS OF JEWS COMING FROM THEIR CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!! And thank you for comparing me to the nazi's you successfully established yourself as non-intellectual-filth-spewing hate filled individual, that when seeing something they're weak mind can't grasp because they are only listening to one side of the story they spew out filth, just to personally hurt the person behind your unfounded anger. Btw, it was the arabs themselves that told their families to move from the holy land of Israel (thank G-d we have again, it has been over 2000 years since we made the mistake of betraying our ways as jews and we lost it!!! but never again!!!). None of you can touch this subject against me. I was mearly posting that about the palestinian. But as we always see, even when Israel is mentioned, but the SUBJECT IS ABOUT PALESTINIANS THREATENING AMERICA, we find that it comes back to bashing jews and israel. Give it up you anti-semite lowlives!! YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE JEWISH NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BUT IT NEVER WORKED!!! LOLOLOL keep it up, you'll go down in the history books as another 'society to bash the long living jews who did more the world then any other nation!' and ill BACK THAT UP TOO WITH FACTS! you want to see more facts??? READ THE LINKS I HAVE ON MY SIGNATURE!! YOU WANT MORE? OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINEU BASHING MY PEOPLE BASED ON YOUR MISINFORMATION??? I WILL GIVE YOU HUNDREDS OF RESEARCHABLE AND BACKABLE QUOTES FROM ARABS ABOUT THE TRUTH I see two kinds of people. Those that know the truth, even if their IQ is 20, or 500. And those that think they know, basing their information on a few sources, (like cnn LOL) and then spreading the misinformed hatred! You make me sick! but we know there are great people out there that don't listen to either side, but do their own objective searching, and Thank G-d for them they make sure we dont go down in a bloody war of lies and deciet!!!!!! LOVE YOU ALL AS USUAL!!! SHLOMO and i've part of this board when you were in diapers on the trance world... I knew swamper and crap from the efnet days of #bpm, #pow and others ... plus we all from TORONTO CANADA SO BOOYA!!! cyrus king : LOLOLOLOL YOU DONT KNOW THE HALF OF IT BIG BOY not that it matters, but cyrus you downloaded a sweet set from me on DC++ the other day... not that you'd remember i hope u enjoy!

That is such bullshit about being a "free society!" Like I said above...if I were a Muslim I would be treated as a second class citizen.

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Originally posted by occrider Why would you need to use them once they're there? Trust me Hitler's reasons for invading Europe wasn't because he had the tools to do it. And I don't think that Bush is stupid enough to engage in a war simply because he can.

yes, of course it wasn't the only reason. i was just adding to the ones already mentioned, all of them valid.
and no, bush is not hitler, and he has other reasons 4 his actions. it's just that there is a slight similarity, and some of us find the situation rather scary, when u consider that the US could almost take on the rest of the world, and it's president barely knows where the rest of the world is.

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Originally posted by NFA yes, of course it wasn't the only reason. i was just adding to the ones already mentioned, all of them valid. and no, bush is not hitler, and he has other reasons 4 his actions. it's just that there is a slight similarity, and some of us find the situation rather scary, when u consider that the US could almost take on the rest of the world, and it's president barely knows where the rest of the world is.

The massive buildup of US military stems back to the Cold War times. I believe that the military planners built up the military enough so that it could fight two (Vietnam sized) regional conflicts at the same time. It makes sense if say something like the Gulf War were to happen at the same time as an invasion of S. Korea.

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Yea except the Germans got the Ruhr back in the mid-20s in exchange for a demilitarization of the Rhineland ... which they subsequentely violated in 1936. Essentially by the mid 30's the Germans were ignoring all the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles anyway ... so they didn't go to war to escape the treaty at all.

That is true. But that was after Hitler was elected as chancellor. Those actions commited by France were the reasons that allowed NSDAP to get in power. What Hitler did later was mostly not justified, but I was more thinking of the reasons that got him in power in the first place. Besides, if he weren't elected, Germany would probably be paying its debts to these days.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 That is true. But that was after Hitler was elected as chancellor. Those actions commited by France were the reasons that allowed NSDAP to get in power. What Hitler did later was mostly not justified, but I was more thinking of the reasons that got him in power in the first place. Besides, if he weren't elected, Germany would probably be paying its debts to these days.

Hitler became chancellor in 1933 which stemmed from the complete collapse of the German economy in early 1930s. The French occupation of the Ruhr was brief (and partly justifiable in my opinion) and I don't think you can say it had a causal effect on Hitler coming into power 8 years after the event. Anyway you could argue that if it had such a huge impact then why wasn't there a change of leadership immediately following the event? I don't think anythign hitler did can be justified with the exception of turning around the German economy. I agree that Versailles was a mistake but if the Germans didn't like the war debts, they shouldn't have invaded France in the first place. Like that saying goes ... if you can't afford the time don't do the crime.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Furthermore, a preponderance of individuals, many of whom normally seem to be rational and intelligent people, have the audacity to compare Palestinian terrorism to Israeli military activity against the Palestinians as equal evils. This is so preposterous, so utterly ludicrous, that it makes me want to reclassify myself as a different species to dissociate myself from anyone or anything that could possibly have conceived this notion. Let me draw this out in crayon for anyone who may not follow: the sole and exclusive cause of Israeli military exercises against the Palestinians is the terrorism of the Palestinians. That is to say, Israel's military activity against Palestinians is one of the negative effects of Palestinian terrorism. It is the Palestinians themselves whose actions are producing this result. Do I think Israeli military actions which result in the death of Palestinian civilians are a good thing? No, of course not. But Israel is under constant attack. What do you expect them to do, respond with charity? If someone came up to you on the street, and started punching you in the face, would you give them your wallet, or would you fight back? If you give them your wallet, you become part of the problem by providing positive feedback to their undesirable activity. A reasonable person my not particuarly want to hurt the person who is assaulting him, but presented by such a situation, he really has no choice. So I ask you, sir, what planet are you from? Because it appears to me it is one where good and evil have undergone some form of juxtaposition. You compare Sharon to Hitler, but last time I checked, there weren't many Jews strapping bombs to their backs in early 20th century Germany. You cry about the horrible fate of the Palestinians, but yet you can't be bothered to give a second thought to the horrible precedent that is already being set by negotiating with terrorists. Don't you see how many people will die in the future because of your legitimization of terrorism as a means for obtaining political redress? Where is your sympathy for them and their loved ones? If the Palestinians want justice, I don't have a problem with it. But they have to choose a different way to express their frustrations than terrorism first. If you want to be treated in a civil manner, you ought to behave in such a manner yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing more than a hypocrite. Regards, Arbiter

Amen, well thought out, couldn't have said it better myself. People who compare Sharon to Hitler, ug, cant stand them. Modern Israel is a completely different situation than Hitler's Germany, or Yugoslavia under Milosevich, the political situation there is more complex than just about every other country in the world.

Some of the terrorist groups dont want peace at all, they want the status quo, last I checked Hamas's goal is the destruction of Israel. There's no dealing with people like that, the occupation of Palastine maybe the only way Israel has to deal with terrorist organizations such as Hamas. And I'll also remind those not familiar with history that Israeli's are not conquerers, they conquered land only after they were invaded. And Lebanon was occupied due to terrorists making that as a base of operations to attack Israel.

Trying Ariel Sharon for war crimes will look silly & hypocritical if Yassir Arafat isn't standing next to him being tried for war crimes as well. Arafat has done his deeds as well, and I'm old enough to remember the PLO terrorist organization, and the brutal crimes against humanity, the PLO under Arafat used to carry out.

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Amen, well thought out, couldn't have said it better myself. People who compare Sharon to Hitler, ug, cant stand them. Modern Israel is a completely different situation than Hitler's Germany, or Yugoslavia under Milosevich, the political situation there is more complex than just about every other country in the world. Some of the terrorist groups dont want peace at all, they want the status quo, last I checked Hamas's goal is the destruction of Israel. There's no dealing with people like that, the occupation of Palastine maybe the only way Israel has to deal with terrorist organizations such as Hamas. And I'll also remind those not familiar with history that Israeli's are not conquerers, they conquered land only after they were invaded. And Lebanon was occupied due to terrorists making that as a base of operations to attack Israel. Trying Ariel Sharon for war crimes will look silly & hypocritical if Yassir Arafat isn't standing next to him being tried for war crimes as well. Arafat has done his deeds as well, and I'm old enough to remember the PLO terrorist organization, and the brutal crimes against humanity, the PLO under Arafat used to carry out.

Look's like someone knows his stuff!

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Originally posted by occrider Hitler became chancellor in 1933 which stemmed from the complete collapse of the German economy in early 1930s. The French occupation of the Ruhr was brief (and partly justifiable in my opinion) and I don't think you can say it had a causal effect on Hitler coming into power 8 years after the event. Anyway you could argue that if it had such a huge impact then why wasn't there a change of leadership immediately following the event? I don't think anythign hitler did can be justified with the exception of turning around the German economy. I agree that Versailles was a mistake but if the Germans didn't like the war debts, they shouldn't have invaded France in the first place. Like that saying goes ... if you can't afford the time don't do the crime.

WWI caused WWII, if the Germans weren't financially punished so much, the National Socialist party probably would never came to power. Anybody got any info on National Socialist policies... I mean apart from genocide & racial supremacy. Stuff like typical social & economic policy. I want to understand fascism better, so I know when to approipriately use the term.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Look's like someone knows his stuff!

Actually I be the first to admit, I dont know everything about Israel, it's a uniquely complex political situation that's been rumbling for decades. It dates way back to 1948 when Great Britain gave up colonial control over lots of territories, including Israel. It's a terribly messy situation, and I dont have an answer for it.

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Anybody got any info on National Socialist policies... I mean apart from genocide & racial supremacy. Stuff like typical social & economic policy.

Genocide and racial supremacy pretty much was their policy.

"National Socialism is the will of the Fuhrer. Full Stop" - Martin Bormann(Hitlers secretary)

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Originally posted by Verona^My Trying Ariel Sharon for war crimes will look silly & hypocritical if Yassir Arafat isn't standing next to him being tried for war crimes as well. Arafat has done his deeds as well, and I'm old enough to remember the PLO terrorist organization, and the brutal crimes against humanity, the PLO under Arafat used to carry out.

true. maybe the should both be tried?

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Originally posted by Verona^My WWI caused WWII, if the Germans weren't financially punished so much, the National Socialist party probably would never came to power. Anybody got any info on National Socialist policies... I mean apart from genocide & racial supremacy. Stuff like typical social & economic policy. I want to understand fascism better, so I know when to approipriately use the term.

Yes the treaty of Versailles was the underlying reason for the NSDAPs rise to power. That and the fact that many Germans felt betrayed by their leaders for the surrender. I guess that's why the allies pushed so much for unconditional surrender in WW2. That must have been an eye opener for the Germans to have the war brought to their own country. I doubt there were very many feelings of betrayal after that. Anyway I have a bunch of great history books that deal with 1918-1939 Germany. I'll see if I can find those titles for you.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz That is such bullshit about being a "free society!" Like I said above...if I were a Muslim I would be treated as a second class citizen.

i know many muslims in israel who would take offense to that statement. i have personally talked to and befriended muslims in israel that thank god every day for the opprotunity and life they have in israel. discrimination is illegal in israel. im not saying it does not exsist, no place is perfect, you're from the US, you should know.

I know of many muslims myself who think the same way. They may consider that what the US is doing is wrong but they still consider themeselves free to express their opinions and believe that they are "free." It's most certainly a lot better than any other country in the middle east. I dare you to name one other country that has more of a concern or expression of civil liberties in the middle east than ours.

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Originally posted by Verona^My last I checked Hamas's goal is the destruction of Israel.

what? they got a website with a mission statement?

Hamas Charta

Hamas believes that the best way to handle the conflict with the Zionist enemy is to mobilize the potentialities of the Palestinian people in the struggle against the Zionist presence in Palestine and to keep the firebrand burning until the time when the conditions to win the battle have been realized, and wait until all the potentialities and resources of the Arab and Islamic nation are mobilized under a common political will and purpose. Until that happens and there is belief in the sanctity of the
Palestinian cause and its Islamic importance and an awareness of the ultimate goals and dangers of the Zionist project in Palestine, Hamas believes that no part of Palestine should be compromised, that the Zionist occupation of Palestine should not be recognized and that it is imperative for the people of Palestine, as well as all Arabs and Muslims, to prepare themselves to fight the Zionists until they leave Palestine the way they migrated to it.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/hamas/about/index.htm#anchor223753

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